Is 2 games in a day too much work for poor Chiles?
That's to suggest it's Chiles' decision he only wants to do one game a day, it may well be ITV's decision because they want to give Matt Smith games. It's different for the Beeb (although Lineker has missed games on the Beeb) because there's plenty of work for Mark Chapman and Dan Walker on the highlights shows, Football Focus and the radio, while ITV have the live games and nothing but. That means Smith has to do his fair share of live games or there's no point in him being there. And there's also far less of a gap between Chiles and Smith, in terms of experience and profile, then there is between Lineker and Chapman.
To argue Chiles should do all the games because they're there is to argue Huw Edwards should do all the news bulletins in one day, not just the 10pm one.
I think it was pretty clear that ariusuk was referring to TV commentaries. The fact that some radio commentaries are off-tube HAS been mentioned and this isn't the radio commentators thread anyway.
I know, but I can't understand why people are still spitting feathers over ITV doing a handful of live commentaries off-tube (as of tonight, three) when numerous other broadcasters are doing it as well.
That's to suggest it's Chiles' decision he only wants to do one game a day, it may well be ITV's decision because they want to give Matt Smith games. It's different for the Beeb (although Lineker has missed games on the Beeb) because there's plenty of work for Mark Chapman and Dan Walker on the highlights shows, Football Focus and the radio, while ITV have the live games and nothing but. That means Smith has to do his fair share of live games or there's no point in him being there. And there's also far less of a gap between Chiles and Smith, in terms of experience and profile, then there is between Lineker and Chapman.
To argue Chiles should do all the games because they're there is to argue Huw Edwards should do all the news bulletins in one day, not just the 10pm one.
I know, but I can't understand why people are still spitting feathers over ITV doing a handful of live commentaries off-tube (as of tonight, three) when numerous other broadcasters are doing it as well.
Surely if Matt Smith had a flight then they could give him the day off and have Chiles do both games. As for off-tube commentaries, I have no problem with them, although the BBC haven't had any off-tube TV commentaries which is what was claimed.
I'll be watching Italy vs Uruguay next Tuesday, anyone else?
Any chance one of ITV/R5/TS would consider making that their main game?
Well, when the same thing happened back in Euro 88, the Beeb didn't show England's pointless final group game against the USSR, they showed Ireland vs Holland instead. Different time, obviously.
Well, when the same thing happened back in Euro 88, the Beeb didn't show England's pointless final group game against the USSR, they showed Ireland vs Holland instead. Different time, obviously.
Also there was significant interest in the Irish team, with them being a sort of unofficial home nation. If the other fixture was, say Italy V Holland, I'm not sure if the same decision would have been made.
I know, but I can't understand why people are still spitting feathers over ITV doing a handful of live commentaries off-tube (as of tonight, three) when numerous other broadcasters are doing it as well.
Just because other broadcasters are doing offtube commentaries doesn't make it right though, as the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right". I also think a lot of the criticism on this subject on this board is based on the fact that we were specifically told that Joe Speight was going to matches, which clearly isn't the case and was a blatant lie.
Surely if Matt Smith had a flight then they could give him the day off and have Chiles do both games. As for off-tube commentaries, I have no problem with them, although the BBC haven't had any off-tube TV commentaries which is what was claimed.
They could have but I think Smith had Sunday and Monday off.. He clearly managed to do both so don't see any problem. I'd prefer the BBC to share out presentation duties a bit more to be honest. As for offtube commentaries there has been some criticism of radio - I think slight difference is ITV are covering fewer live games and most of us are probably watching the pictures so more concerned about their coverage.
I wonder who else will go back early, along with Phil Neville. Can't see Viera mentioned after tomorrow so I'm guessing him, and maybe Poyet and Townsend over the next week? Presuming Ian Wright doesn't head back to Brazil ITV might jot have too many pundits left! I wouldn't be surprised if Cannavaro gets written off too. If only they could get Gary Neville for a bit but I think we all know what Sky would say! If the USA go out early I hope the BBC try and get Klinsmann fir a bit again, rather like Mick McCarthy after
Ireland's elimination in 2002.
Just because other broadcasters are doing offtube commentaries doesn't make it right though, as the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right". I also think a lot of the criticism on this subject on this board is based on the fact that we were specifically told that Joe Speight was going to matches, which clearly isn't the case and was a blatant lie.
Yes spot on, also this whole debate could of been sorted by simple yes or no answers rather than dangling a carrot and deviating off the truth.
On a side note hopefully this will be the last time we hear Robbie Savage on co-commentary duties, he was simply awful and if BT have any ideas to put him in the commentary box with Darren Fletcher for them.....please think again!!!
Co commentators certainly has been of a low standard during this World Cup, not quite sure how the likes of Savage, Keown, Carlise and Phil Neville have made it there.
Yes spot on, also this whole debate could of been sorted by simple yes or no answers rather than dangling a carrot and deviating off the truth.
On a side note hopefully this will be the last time we hear Robbie Savage on co-commentary duties, he was simply awful and if BT have any ideas to put him in the commentary box with Darren Fletcher for them.....please think again!!!
Co commentators certainly has been of a low standard during this World Cup, not quite sure how the likes of Savage, Keown, Carlise and Phil Neville have made it there.
Agree, even today when asked earlier today what games the BBC had covered offtube all we got as a reply was "At least one of Steve Bower's".
I have listened to both of Savage's live TV co-comm games and i also thought he was poor, although having said that i like him as a co-comm on 5Live and does a good job on 6-0-6 with Fletcher. But i do agree that having him paired with Fletcher on TV would be a bad move.
Sound mix on France vs. Switzerland is awful, and Daniel Mann and Efan Ekoku not knowing the Switzerland goal was offside gives away (obviously) they're off-tube.
Sam Matterface not really capturing the drama of this game imo. Needs more emotion.
Probably something to do with him being bloody useless and totally clueless. Did you him say about the 'Sound Of Music' and Switzerland.
The film has nothing to do with Switzerland. It's Austria.
Then said last three games between the two teams had been draws, and three goals scored!!!
The bloke is a prize Pratt and the thing next to him isn't much better. ITV should be ashamed of themselves having those two doing a World Cup for them.
They will look back and cringe. You only have to read Twitter to see what the public thinks of him.
Can only think no one at ITV are listening to him properly and he is so cringy!!! >:(
Although his third goal call had emotion, he said "not for the first time, there's a mountain between France and Switzerland." I can only presume that was some sort of pun involving the alps?
Although his third goal call had emotion, he said "not for the first time, there's a mountain between France and Switzerland." I can only presume that was some sort of pun involving the alps?
France and Switzerland border each other so there isn't actually anything between the two countries. I'm not watching this game due to my stance with ITV, however i'm listening to the 5Live coverage with Simon Brotherton and Pat Nevin
Probably something to do with him being bloody useless and totally clueless. Did you him say about the 'Sound Of Music' and Switzerland.
The film has nothing to do with Switzerland. It's Austria.
Then said last three games between the two teams had been draws, and three goals scored!!!
The bloke is a prize Pratt and the thing next to him isn't much better. ITV should be ashamed of themselves having those two doing a World Cup for them.
They will look back and cringe. You only have to read Twitter to see what the public thinks of him.
Can only think no one at ITV are listening to him properly and he is so cringy!!! >:(
This really is the worst line up in ITV's history with perhaps the only exception being Lee Dixon.
To think they could of had Champion and Drury along with Jim Beglin and even Craig Burley which could of made it a decent line up.
As in England's case, things can only get better in 2018 maybe the same can be said about ITV's commentators as well.
This really is the worst line up in ITV's history with perhaps the only exception being Lee Dixon.
To think they could of had Champion and Drury along with Jim Beglin and even Craig Burley which could of made it a decent line up.
As in England's case, things can only get better in 2018 maybe the same can be said about ITV's commentators as well.
I think Speight and Dixon are perfectly fine - it's the 4 above them who are awful.
And the commentary for ITV is a shame as them and Chiles aside (who is irritating me now for reasons stated in the WC thread) I think ITV have been OK this World Cup. They have a fairly strong punditry panel where several of them have done a good job and they've done well getting the World Cup feel across. But then the commentators (Speight&Dixon aside) really are letting the side down.
This is how the BBC have covered their non live games so far:
BBC COMMENTARY FROM STADIUM:
Brazil v Croatia - Guy Mowbray and Phillip Neville
Germany v Portugal - Simon Brotherton
Australia v Holland - Steve Bower
England v Uruguay - Guy Mowbray and Phillip Neville
BBC COMMENTARY OFF TUBE:
Mexico v Cameroon - Jonathan Pearce
Chile v Australia - Steve Bower
Ivory Coast v Japan - Steve Bower
WORLD FEED COMMENTARY:
Uruguay v Costa Rica - Martin Fisher
Switzerland v Ecuador - Dave Woods
Belgium v Algeria - Dave Woods
Cameroon v Croatia - Dan O'Hagan
France v Switzerland - Dave Woods
This is how the BBC have covered their non live games so far:
BBC COMMENTARY FROM STADIUM:
Brazil v Croatia - Guy Mowbray and Phillip Neville
Germany v Portugal - Simon Brotherton
Australia v Holland - Steve Bower
England v Uruguay - Guy Mowbray and Phillip Neville
BBC COMMENTARY OFF TUBE:
Mexico v Cameroon - Jonathan Pearce
Chile v Australia - Steve Bower
Ivory Coast v Japan - Steve Bower
WORLD FEED COMMENTARY:
Uruguay v Costa Rica - Martin Fisher
Switzerland v Ecuador - Dave Woods
Belgium v Algeria - Dave Woods
Cameroon v Croatia - Dan O'Hagan
France v Switzerland - Dave Woods
Thanks for the info. Yes i was aware that the BBC were doing some of their non-live games offtube, this was obvious form the second day of the competition when Mexico played Cameroon. However there is a difference between highlights edits being done offtube to live games which ITV are guilty of. and i really don't know why arius brought this up when it was something that was pretty much common knowledge anyway.
It is interesting though that as previously mentioned that the BBC only seem to be using world feed commentary from the commentators heard either on MOTD or in Dave Woods' case their Rugby League coverage,
Thanks for posting this - and I'm happy to acknowledge it.
I guess the point still stands that he is at least staying out for almost the whole of the last 16 knock-out round - so will still be there when England would have played their last 16 game live on BBC - which was the context in which the issue arose.
But I'm happy to concede he won't in fact be there right to the end. Though from the QF stage onwards BBC will presumably only have 4 live games (ie two QFs, one SF, Final) so the need for pundits and co-comms is obviously substantially reduced (and there are many blank days with no game).
I don't think the off-tube commentaries are that big an issue as long as they aren't on the biggest games (which they aren't really). Brazil is a big country let's not forget and I don't think being off-tubing has particularly impacted the commentaries. In fact the off-tube commentaries from Speight & Dixon have probably been ITV's best commentaries if you ask me (mainly due to the quality of those two compared to Townsend, Matterface and Carlisle),
And to be honest I can certainly see the same happening at the next World Cup (Russia 2018) given how huge Russia is so I guess we'll have to get used to it a little.
Extended interview that Gabby Logan did with Gary Neville last Tuesday if anyone's interested - http://t.co/R3FSDD97j3 It makes me feel at least slightly more positive about England! Sky must be concerned that Neville will be the popular choice as England manager one day...
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Anybody who is interested in the World Cup should be.
ITV won't have the guts to put it on the main channel.
That's to suggest it's Chiles' decision he only wants to do one game a day, it may well be ITV's decision because they want to give Matt Smith games. It's different for the Beeb (although Lineker has missed games on the Beeb) because there's plenty of work for Mark Chapman and Dan Walker on the highlights shows, Football Focus and the radio, while ITV have the live games and nothing but. That means Smith has to do his fair share of live games or there's no point in him being there. And there's also far less of a gap between Chiles and Smith, in terms of experience and profile, then there is between Lineker and Chapman.
To argue Chiles should do all the games because they're there is to argue Huw Edwards should do all the news bulletins in one day, not just the 10pm one.
I know, but I can't understand why people are still spitting feathers over ITV doing a handful of live commentaries off-tube (as of tonight, three) when numerous other broadcasters are doing it as well.
That is an interesting conundrum for ITV. Nothing riding on the England game, but the result of the Italy v Uruguay depends on who goes through!
A cynic would say that a 0 - 1 defeat was not too bad for Italy, they only need a draw to qualify.
Surely if Matt Smith had a flight then they could give him the day off and have Chiles do both games. As for off-tube commentaries, I have no problem with them, although the BBC haven't had any off-tube TV commentaries which is what was claimed.
Well, when the same thing happened back in Euro 88, the Beeb didn't show England's pointless final group game against the USSR, they showed Ireland vs Holland instead. Different time, obviously.
Also there was significant interest in the Irish team, with them being a sort of unofficial home nation. If the other fixture was, say Italy V Holland, I'm not sure if the same decision would have been made.
Just because other broadcasters are doing offtube commentaries doesn't make it right though, as the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right". I also think a lot of the criticism on this subject on this board is based on the fact that we were specifically told that Joe Speight was going to matches, which clearly isn't the case and was a blatant lie.
They could have but I think Smith had Sunday and Monday off.. He clearly managed to do both so don't see any problem. I'd prefer the BBC to share out presentation duties a bit more to be honest. As for offtube commentaries there has been some criticism of radio - I think slight difference is ITV are covering fewer live games and most of us are probably watching the pictures so more concerned about their coverage.
I wonder who else will go back early, along with Phil Neville. Can't see Viera mentioned after tomorrow so I'm guessing him, and maybe Poyet and Townsend over the next week? Presuming Ian Wright doesn't head back to Brazil ITV might jot have too many pundits left! I wouldn't be surprised if Cannavaro gets written off too. If only they could get Gary Neville for a bit but I think we all know what Sky would say! If the USA go out early I hope the BBC try and get Klinsmann fir a bit again, rather like Mick McCarthy after
Ireland's elimination in 2002.
Yes spot on, also this whole debate could of been sorted by simple yes or no answers rather than dangling a carrot and deviating off the truth.
On a side note hopefully this will be the last time we hear Robbie Savage on co-commentary duties, he was simply awful and if BT have any ideas to put him in the commentary box with Darren Fletcher for them.....please think again!!!
Co commentators certainly has been of a low standard during this World Cup, not quite sure how the likes of Savage, Keown, Carlise and Phil Neville have made it there.
Agree, even today when asked earlier today what games the BBC had covered offtube all we got as a reply was "At least one of Steve Bower's".
I have listened to both of Savage's live TV co-comm games and i also thought he was poor, although having said that i like him as a co-comm on 5Live and does a good job on 6-0-6 with Fletcher. But i do agree that having him paired with Fletcher on TV would be a bad move.
EDIT: 3rd goal call was decent.
Probably something to do with him being bloody useless and totally clueless. Did you him say about the 'Sound Of Music' and Switzerland.
The film has nothing to do with Switzerland. It's Austria.
Then said last three games between the two teams had been draws, and three goals scored!!!
The bloke is a prize Pratt and the thing next to him isn't much better. ITV should be ashamed of themselves having those two doing a World Cup for them.
They will look back and cringe. You only have to read Twitter to see what the public thinks of him.
Can only think no one at ITV are listening to him properly and he is so cringy!!! >:(
http://screamer.deadspin.com/france-are-wrecking-switzerland-might-be-the-truth-1593945840?rev=1403294134&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
France and Switzerland border each other so there isn't actually anything between the two countries. I'm not watching this game due to my stance with ITV, however i'm listening to the 5Live coverage with Simon Brotherton and Pat Nevin
As per Phil Neville (@fizzer18) on Twitter...
@PaulShez123: @fizzer18 how long you at the World Cup for Phil, for the whole tournament?
@fizzer18: No 30th June
https://twitter.com/fizzer18/status/479771204501667841
This really is the worst line up in ITV's history with perhaps the only exception being Lee Dixon.
To think they could of had Champion and Drury along with Jim Beglin and even Craig Burley which could of made it a decent line up.
As in England's case, things can only get better in 2018 maybe the same can be said about ITV's commentators as well.
I think Speight and Dixon are perfectly fine - it's the 4 above them who are awful.
And the commentary for ITV is a shame as them and Chiles aside (who is irritating me now for reasons stated in the WC thread) I think ITV have been OK this World Cup. They have a fairly strong punditry panel where several of them have done a good job and they've done well getting the World Cup feel across. But then the commentators (Speight&Dixon aside) really are letting the side down.
BBC COMMENTARY FROM STADIUM:
Brazil v Croatia - Guy Mowbray and Phillip Neville
Germany v Portugal - Simon Brotherton
Australia v Holland - Steve Bower
England v Uruguay - Guy Mowbray and Phillip Neville
BBC COMMENTARY OFF TUBE:
Mexico v Cameroon - Jonathan Pearce
Chile v Australia - Steve Bower
Ivory Coast v Japan - Steve Bower
WORLD FEED COMMENTARY:
Uruguay v Costa Rica - Martin Fisher
Switzerland v Ecuador - Dave Woods
Belgium v Algeria - Dave Woods
Cameroon v Croatia - Dan O'Hagan
France v Switzerland - Dave Woods
Thanks for the info. Yes i was aware that the BBC were doing some of their non-live games offtube, this was obvious form the second day of the competition when Mexico played Cameroon. However there is a difference between highlights edits being done offtube to live games which ITV are guilty of. and i really don't know why arius brought this up when it was something that was pretty much common knowledge anyway.
It is interesting though that as previously mentioned that the BBC only seem to be using world feed commentary from the commentators heard either on MOTD or in Dave Woods' case their Rugby League coverage,
Thanks for posting this - and I'm happy to acknowledge it.
I guess the point still stands that he is at least staying out for almost the whole of the last 16 knock-out round - so will still be there when England would have played their last 16 game live on BBC - which was the context in which the issue arose.
But I'm happy to concede he won't in fact be there right to the end. Though from the QF stage onwards BBC will presumably only have 4 live games (ie two QFs, one SF, Final) so the need for pundits and co-comms is obviously substantially reduced (and there are many blank days with no game).
And to be honest I can certainly see the same happening at the next World Cup (Russia 2018) given how huge Russia is so I guess we'll have to get used to it a little.