What seems to be apparent today is that the information coming from the Malaysians, especially about the timeline, is very unreliable. They don't seem up to the job.
Not read many of the posts on here so apologies if this is a repeat question, but why is it possible to turn off the transponders from the cabin. Anyone know
Not read many of the posts on here so apologies if this is a repeat question, but why is it possible to turn off the transponders from the cabin. Anyone know
From the cabin? I doubt that it is. Or do you mean from the cockpit? If the latter, the flight crew need to be able to turn off any electrical system in the event that it catches fire.
From the cabin? I doubt that it is. Or do you mean from the cockpit? If the latter, the flight crew need to be able to turn off any electrical system in the event that it catches fire.
To those asking where you hide 239 people I'd say, in a plane. I doubt hijackers would be that bothered about the comfort of the passengers so all that would be needed would basically be a suitably sized hanger/cover for the plane itself. Who knows what's in the remoter areas of the Stans especially if various military forces have been there or thereabouts over the years. I'm not justify the theory, just offering a possible answer to some questions.
But why would anyone go to the trouble of doing that then keep it secret?
That I wouldn't know. As mentioned, I was just suggesting that there's no need for major additional facilities to keep the passengers in as some are indicating.
That I wouldn't know. As mentioned, I was just suggesting that there's no need for major additional facilities to keep the passengers in as some are indicating.
I agree, no way will hijackers go out of their way to put them somewhere comfortable. You would need a hotel for that many people.
Don't forget the initial hijack that lead to the "Raid on Entebbe" 248 passengers were taken, so history is on the side of the hijackers. I think people are forgetting that in the 70's plane hijackings were very popular with various terror/political groups. It sort of dwindled out in the 80's after several hijackings came to a bloody end and the hijackers were killed or captured.
No, it reported data about the flight and then stopped reporting data and merely bleeped at 30-minute intervals for the next seven hours.
This is the ACARS engineering updates services we are talking about here. It only ever sends reports on either VHF or Satellite (COMSAT) every 30 minutes anyway. All anyone knows is that it sent a transmission at 1:07am, but not at its next scheduled transmission at 1:37am. As this was after the sign-off from KL ATC, and after the transponder went offline (was lost by Subang ATC) at 1:22am, there is no possible way of knowing that it was either deliberately turned off or that it was turned off before the ADS-B transponder. This was discussed on Radio4 this morning and experts said it was "unfortunate" that the Malaysian authorities had inferred this was the case.
The "pings" that were detected over the next 7 hours are unrelated to the ACARS data transmissions. They are the baseband synchronisation events between the COMSAT panel and the Inmarsat satellite and happen whether other systems are feeding that panel data or not.
What, is the word terrorist now offensive and un PC??
No one knows who they are or if they are, let alone whose side they are on. Plenty of terrorists were dubbed "freedom fighters" by the West (and similarly by the East, I'm sure).
I understand the agony of the relatives waiting for news of their loved ones , but shouting at the officials and going on hunger strike will achieve nothing. If the authorities knew what happened and where they are surely they would have found them, but with hundreds of ships and planes searching thousand of square miles, I fail to see what more they can do.?
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What do they know?
Apart from the transponder the other two systems could have stopped anytime from when they last transmitted to the time the transponder stopped
Therefore you cannot conclude that they were turned off at different times which would suggest deliberate action
Do you have a link for that or was it on broadcast news?
I've just looked on the CNN News website & can't see any reference
I doubt they 'know' anything, it's just a good excuse for certain parties to blame Iran.
[You might be able to disable it via a cockpit circuit breaker, unless it has its own internal power supply]
As opposed to what? When has Israel ever lessened security, it's always high
That is pretty much a standard procedure considering a passenger jet may have been hijacked. All countries will be tightening their air space security
I didn't even know you could turn them off. That poster mentioned it in relation to the transponder which can't be right.
From the cabin? I doubt that it is. Or do you mean from the cockpit? If the latter, the flight crew need to be able to turn off any electrical system in the event that it catches fire.
Yes OK cockpit, thanks for answering.
But why would anyone go to the trouble of doing that then keep it secret?
I agree, no way will hijackers go out of their way to put them somewhere comfortable. You would need a hotel for that many people.
Maybe what they demand is something best negotiated in private.
Good explanation from a pilot here...
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
This is the ACARS engineering updates services we are talking about here. It only ever sends reports on either VHF or Satellite (COMSAT) every 30 minutes anyway. All anyone knows is that it sent a transmission at 1:07am, but not at its next scheduled transmission at 1:37am. As this was after the sign-off from KL ATC, and after the transponder went offline (was lost by Subang ATC) at 1:22am, there is no possible way of knowing that it was either deliberately turned off or that it was turned off before the ADS-B transponder. This was discussed on Radio4 this morning and experts said it was "unfortunate" that the Malaysian authorities had inferred this was the case.
The "pings" that were detected over the next 7 hours are unrelated to the ACARS data transmissions. They are the baseband synchronisation events between the COMSAT panel and the Inmarsat satellite and happen whether other systems are feeding that panel data or not.
What, is the word terrorist now offensive and un PC??
I read there are very few military radars in Southern thailand...
No one knows who they are or if they are, let alone whose side they are on. Plenty of terrorists were dubbed "freedom fighters" by the West (and similarly by the East, I'm sure).