Indeed. When I think back to the utter nonsense I believed at that age it makes me dead against 16-year-olds having a vote. Just naive, idealistic, impossible drivel unrooted in the real world.
Wasn't it Mark Twain (or Winston Churchill or Ernest Hemmingway or Oscar Wilde etc) who said "Any man of 20 who isn't a liberal has no fire in his belly and any man of 40 who isn't a conservative has no brains in his head"?
Course, if you wanted to be a bit of an arse about it you could, quite legitimately, suggest that a 16 year old simply hasn't done anything to earn the right to vote in the same way that older people have.
Not completely comfortable with using that as an excuse to stop youngsters from voting myself though.
I guess we just have to accept the fact that youngsters are likely to vote for daft things. It shouldn't really become a problem unless something crazy happens to the birth rate.
Yes, I've seen much made of that voting stat. All it told me was that at least there were enough people around who'd lived a lot more of life and have more experience to save the day from the naviety of youngsters, many of whom are still children.
They are ALL adults by law in Scotland. They can work and contribute to the economy, get married, have children, join the army etc. Why shouldn't they get a vote?
Also, what qualities would you include in such a thing? Actually, I can think of what they could be - are you a right wing, christian, monarchy, union loving individual? If not, no vote for you...
Glasgow is surely a law unto itself. If you went to the areas with the biggest Better Together votes - Highlands and Islands, Borders - they would think those odious, flag-burning, saluting 'Unionists' were odious nutcases. As of course they were.
I'm not sure. Being raised in the Borders myself, quite a few of my No voting friends have been justifying the abuse and violence with a "the other side started it" stance as well as trying to highlight isolated incidents from idiots who voted yes.
I think there are elements on both sides who have behaved rather badly in this.
They are ALL adults by law in Scotland. They can work and contribute to the economy, get married, have children, join the army etc. Why shouldn't they get a vote?
Those things only affect them. Voting affects everybody
Wasn't it Mark Twain (or Winston Churchill or Ernest Hemmingway or Oscar Wilde etc) who said "Any man of 20 who isn't a liberal has no fire in his belly and any man of 40 who isn't a conservative has no brains in his head"?
Course, if you wanted to be a bit of an arse about it you could, quite legitimately, suggest that a 16 year old simply hasn't done anything to earn the right to vote in the same way that older people have.
Not completely comfortable with using that as an excuse to stop youngsters from voting myself though.
I guess we just have to accept the fact that youngsters are likely to vote for daft things. It shouldn't really become a problem unless something crazy happens to the birth rate.
I voted No but never posted on Facebook. What's it got to do with anyone else. In my village they were no voters anyway. Just like many in the Borders.
Does that mean it's safe for me to visit Eyemouth? I am English but I love visiting Eyemouth, probably one of my favourite towns in the country.
From what I've been reading, generally the uneducated, young, or poor voted Yes.
One of the problems with democracy there, the least capable of society have equal say.
You clearly weren't reading the breakdown of the polls that showed very clearly that Yes was getting large support from the middle classes. Here's the last poll published before the vote that had a breakdown by class.... 41% of the ABC 1 grouping voting Yes. Among the CDEs both sides more or less equal.
This is Sweet_Princess who said that 'Scotland lost the referendum' and hasn't answered my question as to how she comes to that conclusion despite me having asked her twice. She has told me however that she takes 2-3 hours to get ready for a night out and does indeed look like a sweet princess. Oh.....she also said that she is 'very educated' ;-)
you could argue that Scotland lost the referendum as it is the aye voters who view themselves as being 'Scottish' rather than 'British' whereas the naw voters who won would be people who would rather be called 'British' than 'Scottish' so therefore the 'Scottish' lost the referendum aka the brave celtic tattooed tartan wearing scots
I don't understand why some yes voters are calling foul. Every poll bar one for two years predicted a No win, why were they expecting to win?
Because some "yes" voters will grasp at any opportunity to get their own way.
I'm sure the majority of "yes" voters are quietly getting over their disappointment and moving on with their lives but you're always bound to get some arseholes who think that whenever they don't get their way it must be a fix.
Because some "yes" voters will grasp at any opportunity to get their own way.
I'm sure the majority of "yes" voters are quietly getting over their disappointment and moving on with their lives but you're always bound to get some arseholes who think that whenever they don't get their way it must be a fix.
you are ignoring the fact that is has usually been no voting thugs who have been causing the bother recently, last time i read the newspaper, which was a few days ago though
Then click on the "YouGov - Scottish Referendum Final Prediction" PDF link (currently second top).
ETA - I haven't witnessed any of the discontent mentioned in this thread. If it wasn't for the TV news showing the trouble in Glasgow on Friday, I wouldn't have known any existed. We're all peaceful YES voters around here (and all bar one outside that age category too). ;-)
you are ignoring the fact that is has usually been no voting thugs who have been causing the bother recently, last time i read the newspaper, which was a few days ago though
And who have they been fighting with? Themselves?
You're always going to get tossers on both sides of an issue and they usually have an uncanny knack of finding each other.
None of which has much to do with why some "yes" voters are whining that the vote was rigged.
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Wasn't it Mark Twain (or Winston Churchill or Ernest Hemmingway or Oscar Wilde etc) who said "Any man of 20 who isn't a liberal has no fire in his belly and any man of 40 who isn't a conservative has no brains in his head"?
Course, if you wanted to be a bit of an arse about it you could, quite legitimately, suggest that a 16 year old simply hasn't done anything to earn the right to vote in the same way that older people have.
Not completely comfortable with using that as an excuse to stop youngsters from voting myself though.
I guess we just have to accept the fact that youngsters are likely to vote for daft things. It shouldn't really become a problem unless something crazy happens to the birth rate.
They are ALL adults by law in Scotland. They can work and contribute to the economy, get married, have children, join the army etc. Why shouldn't they get a vote?
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187
Also, what qualities would you include in such a thing? Actually, I can think of what they could be - are you a right wing, christian, monarchy, union loving individual? If not, no vote for you...
In what way have they not kept to it?
I'm not sure. Being raised in the Borders myself, quite a few of my No voting friends have been justifying the abuse and violence with a "the other side started it" stance as well as trying to highlight isolated incidents from idiots who voted yes.
I think there are elements on both sides who have behaved rather badly in this.
Those things only affect them. Voting affects everybody
Great quote!
Does that mean it's safe for me to visit Eyemouth? I am English but I love visiting Eyemouth, probably one of my favourite towns in the country.
You clearly weren't reading the breakdown of the polls that showed very clearly that Yes was getting large support from the middle classes. Here's the last poll published before the vote that had a breakdown by class.... 41% of the ABC 1 grouping voting Yes. Among the CDEs both sides more or less equal.
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/09/18/full-results-times-sun-140917-scottish-referendum/
you could argue that Scotland lost the referendum as it is the aye voters who view themselves as being 'Scottish' rather than 'British' whereas the naw voters who won would be people who would rather be called 'British' than 'Scottish' so therefore the 'Scottish' lost the referendum aka the brave celtic tattooed tartan wearing scots
Because some "yes" voters will grasp at any opportunity to get their own way.
I'm sure the majority of "yes" voters are quietly getting over their disappointment and moving on with their lives but you're always bound to get some arseholes who think that whenever they don't get their way it must be a fix.
you are ignoring the fact that is has usually been no voting thugs who have been causing the bother recently, last time i read the newspaper, which was a few days ago though
That seems to be different to what's been said so far. Do you have a link?
Cannot find it. But it's been posted on FB.
http://yougov.co.uk/news/categories/scottish-independence/
Then click on the "YouGov - Scottish Referendum Final Prediction" PDF link (currently second top).
ETA - I haven't witnessed any of the discontent mentioned in this thread. If it wasn't for the TV news showing the trouble in Glasgow on Friday, I wouldn't have known any existed. We're all peaceful YES voters around here (and all bar one outside that age category too). ;-)
And who have they been fighting with? Themselves?
You're always going to get tossers on both sides of an issue and they usually have an uncanny knack of finding each other.
None of which has much to do with why some "yes" voters are whining that the vote was rigged.
such a stupid observation unless you lived on top of a mountain in the NW during a wet period.
smh
Got it, thanks
Well, that is interesting to see, isn't it?