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Ignorant Freevew beginner asking for help!

DallyDally Posts: 468
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Hi
My area goes digital in May so my old portable (black and white with ariel - yes really!) will be useless. If I guy a TV with inbuilt freeview, will it just work? Or does my flat (rented in large old house) need provisions for it? How will I get my signal, and where from? And can I look up in advance if ths is good? Do I need a TV ariel in the house to plug the tv into ?
It's all a bit confusing for a retro tv person like me! (Tesco direct have a flat screen TV ith built in Freeview and DVD which I like the look of, but no idea what set up I need for it to work. I also want to be able to change the location of my tv around the flat)
Any responses gratefully received.

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25
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    You will need to plug into a aerial, If you are are close enough to the transmiter you may be able to use a internal/portable aerial.
    It would help if you gave a location, then other near may have more info
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,481
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    If you get a first class picture at the moment then it might be possible to receive Freeview with an indoor aerial. However, most people need an outdoor aerial. In flats this is an obvious problem. Can you ask the landlord, or ask other tenants for their experiences? Which side of the building you are on and how high up you are will probably affect reception from within your flat.

    When analogue transmissions shut down, the plan is for the power levels of Freeview transmissions to be increased, which should help, but until it happens it's next door to impossible to predict how beneficial it will be in individual cases.

    I hope someone else here can give you some better information.

    John
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 66
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    There is no need to update your old Black and White TV, though you will need to get a freeview set top box for it. Just plug the aerial from the tv into the input on the freeview box, and the lead from the freeview box into your old TV. That's all. (bar plugging in the set top box and scanning for channels, which is easily done and the manual should explain.)

    As far as using your TV around the house that's a little more complicated. You will also have to cart around the set top box! Reception might be a problem and only experimenting with the portable's aerial will tell. (pretty much as you would already have to do with analogue now, anyway).

    Try it. You might be pleasantly surprised at how easy it is!
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,633
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    muxed ip wrote: »
    There is no need to update your old Black and White TV, though you will need to get a freeview set top box for it.
    I suspect though that the TV set does not have any SCART sockets so a Freeview STB will need to be one of those which includes a UHF modulator to allow it be connected to the TV using an RF co-ax fly-lead. Unless the OP has an old VCR they can use to convert the SCART signal to RF output ...

    In this case as the OP has the budget and the enthusiasm to change their TV then that would be the simplest solution for them. As well as getting colour they would also not have to worry about juggling with more than one remote control.

    It is not clear though what kind of aerial the OP currently uses. Is it a set top one or is there a lead from a socket in the wall connected to a communal aerial on the roof of the flats or what?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 66
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    Yes you're right, gomezz. Sorry I forgot to mention that.

    I think the biggest problem will be reception. I've just tried it out on my portable TV and the indoor aerial only manages to pick up 10-20 stations. Those brick walls! I live in a strong signal area as well and only need a loft aerial to get good reception. If the OP can't get an decent aerial installed he might have problems. But then he's going to have to deal with the reception problem whatever he does. The people in the other flats will probably have the same problem so at least he will have support if he has to go to the landlord.
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    DallyDally Posts: 468
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    Thank you so much for replies.
    My current TV has no scart socket and there is an ariel on top of it which I wiggle when I move the tv.
    I'll ask landlord about ariel provisions. If I buy a new TV with inbuilt freeview, so I also need to buy an ariel as well then? Can I keep it local to my tv (ie a set top one) and how would I amke sure it's compatible with my tv.
    (we get lots of sky leaflets etc through the door, but I really don't need any extra channels, or colour, but accept they don't make black and white these days!)
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,481
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    Dally wrote: »
    My current TV has no scart socket and there is an ariel on top of it which I wiggle when I move the tv.
    Is there a cable between the aerial and the television which could be unplugged? (Don't unplug it now in case it gets damaged). If so, then it may be possible to have an indoor aerial (the existing one or a new one) > Freeview box with RF output > television. But reception may be poor on non-existent.
    If I buy a new TV with inbuilt freeview, so I also need to buy an ariel as well then?
    If the flat has no working aerial sockets (as in conventional aerial, not cable or satellite), then yes. Outdoor would be far preferable to indoor if it's possible (and allowed) to mount it pointing towards the transmitter.
    how would I amke sure it's compatible with my tv.
    If the television has a conventional aerial coax socket, it will be compatible. However, you need to check that it is compatible with Freeview transmissions in your area. There is no such thing as a digital aerial. All aerials can receive both analogue and digital. But the range of frequencies that the aerial can receive needs to match with those used by your local transmitter.
    we get lots of sky leaflets etc through the door, but I really don't need any extra channels, or colour, but accept they don't make black and white these days!
    Don't entirely rule out satellite, provided it's possible to mount a dish. There are satellite systems other than Sky in which you pay once for the equipment and no more. The BBC and ITV's Freesat system is one, or you can go for an FTA satellite system as sold by companies such as Maplin.

    If the flat has a cable television socket, it would be worth investigating how much a minimal Virgin Media package would cost, perhaps combined with voice phone and broadband.

    Check manufacturers' and suppliers' web sites for more specific information and Wikipedia for more general information.

    IMHO it is all a bewildering mess.

    HTH, John
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    chrisychrisy Posts: 9,421
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    Dally wrote: »
    Thank you so much for replies.
    My current TV has no scart socket and there is an ariel on top of it which I wiggle when I move the tv.

    If your picture is good (ie. not snowy) you should find that you can pick up digital channels after DSO on the existing aerial.
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,633
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    Just another thought is that if the OP has been quite happy with their old B&W TV so obviously not bothered by not having the latest and greatest then they could probably pick up a S/H colour one with a SCART socket for nothing off Freecycle. May be able to pick up a Freeview STB as well.
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    StoppingServiceStoppingService Posts: 1,479
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    So long as the B&W portable has an aerial socket that its own aerial plugs-into, it could be converted to digital by using a Freeview device incorporating an RF Modulator or a usual design in conjunction with an external accessory RF Modulator.

    In the absence of an external aerial connection from the landlord (which is best), you'll have the best chance of reception with an indoor aerial by using one of the best two performing models available. The signal strength of the digital/Freeview signals will be very greatly increased at switchover, so there's a good chance these aerials will obtain reception then, even if they can't at present. If you can bear the sight of it, an external-type amplified log-periodic aerial will far surpass the indoor-types in performance.

    I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the substantial increase in the cost of TV Licence required, if you were to change from a B&W to a colour TV. This won't affect you if you're aged over 75 because your licence is free anyway!

    Moreover, anyone who's severely disabled or over 75 years and is willing to wait for switchover before expanding their range of channels, can sit back and wait for the Digital Switchover Help Scheme to offer them a (subsidised) upgrade!

    If your landlord has no objection, the view to the South-South-East low in the sky is not obstructed and you decide you'd like a "HD Ready" LCD flat-screen TV, you could have "multi-channel" TV with no-subscription high-definition channels via a satellite dish. i.e. BBC Freesat HD (Price: £150) (+£80 Dish installation if no existing dish).

    Answers to many "digital switchover" questions can be found on the official Digital UK website. It is however reticent in giving practical DIY advice on overcoming technical problems - hiring a TV tradesperson is mostly suggested! :rolleyes:

    Check out Ricability and Switch Help for more consumer-orientated advice.

    Regards
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    Ray CathodeRay Cathode Posts: 13,231
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    gomezz wrote: »
    Just another thought is that if the OP has been quite happy with their old B&W TV so obviously not bothered by not having the latest and greatest then they could probably pick up a S/H colour one with a SCART socket for nothing off Freecycle. May be able to pick up a Freeview STB as well.

    There is the slight problem of the TV licence. Keeping the B&W telly will save ££££s on the licence even with a new set top box (as long as it isn't a PVR). :eek: :eek: :eek:
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,633
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    One assumes the OP has already accepted that as they were thinking of buying a new (colour) set. A bit of searching shows that the B&W licence will remain through to the completion of DSO (and the Olympics) after which its future is not currently guaranteed.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 66
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    I think it might look bad for any government to abandon the B&W Licence, considering that amongst the people who use it are probably those that can least afford Colour.

    I've a hunch that what might happen some time before DSO is that anybody trying to take out a B&W License who is not an existing B&W License holder will be denied it. Only renewals will be allowed. That way any movement toward B&W by the fashionable (not to mention the real) noveau pauvre of the credit crunch can be stopped. It wasn't so long ago that people boasted of having B&W sets because they wanted to dissociate themselves from couch potatoes. That trend might make a comeback. Not to mention the unscrupulous who might take out B&W Licenses as cover in order to operate a colour set.

    If the number of applications for B&W Licenses begins to rise (at the moment they're below 30,000 and falling IIRC) then it will be interesting to see if the BBC would be worried enough by it to seek a change in either the license conditions, or to narrow the differential in License fees.
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    Dally wrote: »
    Thank you so much for replies.
    My current TV has no scart socket and there is an ariel on top of it which I wiggle when I move the tv.
    I'll ask landlord about ariel provisions. If I buy a new TV with inbuilt freeview, so I also need to buy an ariel as well then? Can I keep it local to my tv (ie a set top one) and how would I amke sure it's compatible with my tv.
    (we get lots of sky leaflets etc through the door, but I really don't need any extra channels, or colour, but accept they don't make black and white these days!)

    Note that from December 2009 there will be BBC-HD, ITV-HD and C4-HD on Freeview and from about mid 2010 a 4th HD channel.

    These will NOT be available with a current model Freeview IDTV or STB. New IDTV/STB models (DVB-T2/MPEG-4) are expected late 2009.

    Maybe you should get an inexpensive box - £15-30 - at DSO in your area. You will then be in a much better position to choose your future TV set later in 2009 or next year.

    Lars :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 108
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    reslfj wrote: »
    Note that from December 2009 there will be BBC-HD, ITV-HD and C4-HD on Freeview and from about mid 2010 a 4th HD channel.

    These will NOT be available with a current model Freeview IDTV or STB. New IDTV/STB models (DVB-T2/MPEG-4) are expected late 2009.

    Maybe you should get an inexpensive box - £15-30 - at DSO in your area. You will then be in a much better position to choose your future TV set later in 2009 or next year.

    Lars :)

    If they aren't even bothered about colour, then I doubt they are bothered about HD. ;)
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    DallyDally Posts: 468
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    Thank you all so much. I need to digest all this info. I'm happy with B&W and reduced license fee is a bonus. Not fussed about HD, but my current picture is sometimes (ok - often) snowy. My ideal would be a small, discreet add on to my non scart current TV, so I can carry on watching free channels, keep my B&W lisense, continue to be able to move my small TV around my flat. Need to work out if that is an option for me, before I look at getting new TV and all the options involved. (Really wish I could buy a cheap flat screen built in freeview and dvd B&W TV but realise that's a no-go)
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