Will Muslims ever become Atheist?
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While Christianity in the UK is becoming heavily effected by Atheism and Agnosticism, Islam still seems to retain a large following.
It seems to me that even the most intelligent and free thinking Muslims still hold onto their faith and won't hear any talk that contradicts it being the truth.
Do you think Atheism will ever become common in Muslim communities, or is it so culturally ingrained in Arab and South Asian identities that it would be extremely difficult for them to ever fully abandon Islam?
It seems to me that even the most intelligent and free thinking Muslims still hold onto their faith and won't hear any talk that contradicts it being the truth.
Do you think Atheism will ever become common in Muslim communities, or is it so culturally ingrained in Arab and South Asian identities that it would be extremely difficult for them to ever fully abandon Islam?
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I'm an atheist and hope that the Islamic world is headed for an age of enlightenment where people are freer to make up their own minds about religion rather than being drafted into it at an early age.
I think Christianity was culturally ingrained into British society at the turn of the last century so there's always hope for change.
In the meantime I hope Muslims and non-Muslims can live side by side peacefully.
Yes, but many Brits are now actually abandoning even nominally referring to themselves as C of E and now call themselves either Atheist or Agnostic.
I think our culture has had the luxury for some time now of being given the time to even think about things like this. For people from other cultures, other things are more important. Theological debate comes way down the list of priorities.
Yes, there are ex-muslim atheists. They tend to have a lot more to put up with from the muslim culture, which makes it more of a deal for them to come out. They are more likely to be found in western countries, where the ideas that challenge their faith are more openly discusses, but they certainly exist.
Usually death, in some Muslim countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Muslims#Part_of_an_unorganized_religion_or_no_religion
Also many have become more devout: praying more than ever, studying the Koran more, shunning the western lifestyle, wearing the veil, men growing bushy beards and wearing the Arab gear and watching Arab TV. Etc.
However there are plenty of young muslims whose attitude to drink, sex etc is a far cry from the demands of their religion. Maybe they are ethnic muslims and not religious ones.
There was a World Service documentary about it the other week, explaining how some young British muslims cope.
edit: here - http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/heartsoul/heartsoul_20140111-0332a.mp3
BIB: You know, you keep making these claims in posts but you aren't providing any evidence to back them up.
But to answer your question, yes, religious people can become agnostics or atheists. But so can atheists and agnostics become religious.
But the spanner in the works is, that many more have converted to other religions on that list instead of becoming atheist or agnostic.
Yes, I agree. I know many muslims male and female who eat a bacon roll with me drink wine with me etc. But they put on a different version of themselves when they visit their parents. It's their perogative I don't judge them. I'm an atheist they don't judge me.
No.
Islam rules by fear.
It is a Fascist political and religious system.
They do kill people who leave it.
Religion is about culture as much as faith, maybe even more than faith.
My brother is baptised, even though my dad has always been an Atheist and my mum has always been agnostic, it was just the 'done thing' in the 1970's and I wasn't baptised at all. I bet there are more 'secret' Atheists amongst religious communities than records let on
The fact that a nun can become pregnant shows that few people believe in their religion 100%, human nature and free will are very powerful and the threat of death and being abandoned by the family worry those Atheists / Agnostics who aren't open.
It contrasts greatly with the vicar popping round to see if you're ok because he hasn't seen you at Sunday service.
Erm, Queen Mary burned a few people alive for following the wrong version of Christianity and some of the troubles in Ireland have been religion based - including news footage of Irish school children ( crying ) caught in the middle of their numpty waring parents.
Though, if they didn't believe, they'd be atheists instead of Muslims wouldn't they?
What? Queen Mary? I take it you mean Queen Mary I who died in 1558?
As for Ireland. It is/was political all the way. The religion is/was just an aside. It's about politics.
the same will eventually happen to islam in the west if ,and its a big if, believers feel they free to choose for themselves
Unfortunately a constant input of the more retarded version of the belief, along with the stupidity that is liberal multiculturalism, will delay the inevitable.