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Colorado shooting suspect's insanity plea allowed by judge!

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    PPhilsterPPhilster Posts: 1,742
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    geniusgirl wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if we are talking about America or any other uneducated country - the death penalty does not prevent crime.

    Reducing and preventing are two different things. Penalties obviously reduce crime.

    I guess Japan is also an "uneducated country" too?
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    An execution is free, is it?

    it's a hell of a lot cheaper.
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    PPhilsterPPhilster Posts: 1,742
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    confuddled wrote: »
    it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

    Strange that someone would even compare the cost of an execution to housing, feeding and medically providing for someone for their entire life. Very strange.
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    You brought up the whole keeping children safe thing, not me.

    What does executing him solve? A quick, relatively painless death is what I would choose over a lifetime in prison, that's for sure.

    and i was responding to AndyJK .
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    PPhilster wrote: »
    Strange that someone would even compare the cost of an execution to housing, feeding and medically providing for someone for their entire life. Very strange.

    but this is DS:)
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    PPhilster wrote: »
    Strange that someone would even compare the cost of an execution to housing, feeding and medically providing for someone for their entire life. Very strange.
    You brought it up, not me. :D
    PPhilster wrote: »
    For the former, a life the tax payer has to pay for unnecessarily.
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    confuddled wrote: »
    and i was responding to AndyJK .
    Both those comments below were addressed to me.

    The point is, first you say if people were executed, children would be safe, and then you say execution doesn't stop others. You are contradicting yourself.
    confuddled wrote: »
    if more people like him were routinely juiced then more 6yr old's would be safe...i know who i'd rather have in the world.
    confuddled wrote: »
    because it doesn't stop others doesn't mean we shouldn't dispose of those that have. why should you expect to live if you take a life in anything other than a tragic accident?
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    PPhilsterPPhilster Posts: 1,742
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    confuddled wrote: »
    but this is DS:)

    Yep, it didn't take too long to realize that. To be fair though, the very nature of online forums, not just this one, seems to encourage and amplify it.
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    confuddled wrote: »
    please, your question does nothing for the understanding of mental illness. is being evil an illness now? is every schizophrenic predisposed to kill?

    is that what i said?
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    Both those comments below were addressed to me.

    The point is, first you say if people were executed, children would be safe, and then you say execution doesn't stop others. You are contradicting yourself.

    NO...read again , i said just because it doesn't stop others doesn't mean we shouldn't. that was a reply to either yourself or another who has that belief. just because i played along with it for the sake of debate doesn't mean i agree.
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    You brought it up, not me. :D

    but you responded and the above seems to be your answer to a lot of things.
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    confuddled wrote: »
    NO...read again , i said just because it doesn't stop others doesn't mean we shouldn't. that was a reply to either yourself or another who has that belief. just because i played along with it for the sake of debate doesn't mean i agree.

    Perhaps you should make that clear, otherwise people will take your words at face value. That's kind of the point of a discussion.
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    confuddled wrote: »
    but you responded and the above seems to be your answer to a lot of things.

    Yes, that's what happens on discussion forums. People make posts and other people respond.

    What is your point?
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    Yes, that's what happens on discussion forums. People make posts and other people respond.

    What is your point?

    my point dear is that you respond to a post, somebody posts a view point that differs from your own and you come out with the 'well you brought it up' mantra.
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    confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    Perhaps you should make that clear, otherwise people will take your words at face value. That's kind of the point of a discussion.

    are you not good at the nuances of discussion?
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    confuddled wrote: »
    my point dear is that you respond to a post, somebody posts a view point that differs from your own and you come out with the 'well you brought it up' mantra.
    I do when the posters complain about something that they brought into the conversation, like PPhIlster's comparing costs.

    I don't see what your problem is with it.
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    confuddled wrote: »
    are you not good at the nuances of discussion?

    Not when people don't make it clear they're making things up for the sake of debate, no.
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    PPhilster wrote: »
    For the former, a life the tax payer has to pay for unnecessarily.

    Has it really come down to what punishment is cheaper? Y'know, do some people choose capital punishment because it may be the cheaper option?

    As far as I'm concerned, the cost is and should be irrelevant.

    But to play along, how much does it cost to kill someone?
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    PPhilsterPPhilster Posts: 1,742
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    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    Has it really come down to what punishment is cheaper? Y'know, do some people choose capital punishment because it may be the cheaper option?

    No, that's just one benefit.
    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    As far as I'm concerned, the cost is and should be irrelevant.

    But to play along, how much does it cost to kill someone?

    Really? OK, by gun, the price of a bullet.
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    epicurianepicurian Posts: 19,291
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    geniusgirl wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if we are talking about America or any other uneducated country - the death penalty does not prevent crime.

    FFS :rolleyes:
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    Has it really come down to what punishment is cheaper? Y'know, do some people choose capital punishment because it may be the cheaper option?

    As far as I'm concerned, the cost is and should be irrelevant.

    But to play along, how much does it cost to kill someone?

    In that case we could use hanging. Rope does not cost much.
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    epicurianepicurian Posts: 19,291
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    PPhilster wrote: »
    Strange that someone would even compare the cost of an execution to housing, feeding and medically providing for someone for their entire life. Very strange.

    It's not strange at all. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/
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    PPhilsterPPhilster Posts: 1,742
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    epicurian wrote: »

    That has nothing to do with the cost of executing someone. That is a story about California's "legendarily slow appeals system" and related bureaucracy. An execution is as cheap as a bullet.
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    LiamforkingLiamforking Posts: 1,641
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    That's to be decided - it's certain that if he is found insane the NRA will breathe a sigh of relief

    I wouldn't be relieved to live in a country where lunatics have such easy access to lethal weapons.
    Have you seen those assault rifles made especially for little children? That whole bloody country should be sectioned.
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    I wouldn't be relieved to live in a country where lunatics have such easy access to lethal weapons.
    Have you seen those assault rifles made especially for little children? That whole bloody country should be sectioned.

    Oh good, another debate about gun control. Eek!
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