Drivel, drivel drivel and a bit more drivel. Was anything offensive said? No. There is no 'N' word. In fact, the people who keep condemning JC should maybe watch Top Gear on occasion and see how courteous he can be. And no, I'm not being ironic.
I'm not going to click the link but I presume that is an original copy of that particular book, first published in 1939, whose title has since been changed. Because one word used in the title is deeply offensive.
Tony Hall seems like a sensible chap, it will be very interesting to see what he has to say about this. I'd put the odds on Clarkson being removed from the programme (or at least told to take six months off and think about life) at about evens.
I wonder how long the Beeb website can hold out before it covers the story, can't be too many sensible UK news outlets who aren't reporting on it.
Drivel, drivel drivel and a bit more drivel. Was anything offensive said? No. There is no 'N' word. In fact, the people who keep condemning JC should maybe watch Top Gear on occasion and see how courteous he can be. And no, I'm not being ironic.
Yeah, I mean it`s not like he has form or anything is it....
I'm not going to click the link but I presume that is an original copy of that particular book, first published in 1939, whose title has since been changed. Because one word used in the title is deeply offensive.
A number of original used copes (plus picture of the book) from a number of Marketplace sellers.
Drivel, drivel drivel and a bit more drivel. Was anything offensive said? No. There is no 'N' word. In fact, the people who keep condemning JC should maybe watch Top Gear on occasion and see how courteous he can be. And no, I'm not being ironic.
He says it under his breath, but he does say it.
To recap, he has made insulting remarks towards people from Mexico and India, used a derogatory term towards Asian people on the programme, and now this. What a lovely chap.
I gave you a description so that you would be better informed. The sales entries exist, that is a fact. It's not an adult-rated page, that is a fact. Amazon have put a picture of the book on the page. That is also a fact. And perhaps that picture is questionable as well (and that's an opinion).
And I take you back to my original point which was made in context (yes, that word again, rather important).
So please, don't presume to put words into my mouth.
I gave you a description so that you would be better informed. The sales entries exist, that is a fact. It's not an adult-rated page, that is a fact. Amazon have put a picture of the book on the page. That is also a fact. And perhaps that picture is questionable as well (and that's an opinion).
And I take you back to my original point which was made in context (yes, that word again, rather important).
So please, don't presume to put words into my mouth.
I fail to see the relevance of that example. Just because Amazon sells copies of a book with a deeply offensive word in the title does not make it ok for Jeremy Clarkson to use it on an outtake of Top Gear, if in fact that is what he said. Which it appears to me, and several newspapers and other commentators, that he did.
You must have also failed to see the relevance of the reference to Kiwi Boot Polish as suggested by JELLIES0 (the poster that I originally quoted, in context). You didn't even question it.
Not that it (the Amazon reference) really matters. If you don't see the relevance, then maybe just move on.
I would honestly live in JC's mindset and world than any of the offended on here, and like someone said before he can actually be very courteous and gallant.
There is a place on this earth for the JC's of this world as it stops most of us from becoming too earnest and up ourselves..... JC is provocative but I doubt he is racist.
You must have also failed to see the relevance of the reference to Kiwi Boot Polish as suggested by JELLIES0 (the poster that I originally quoted, in context). You didn't even question it.
Not that it (the Amazon reference) really matters. If you don't see the relevance, then maybe just move on.
Jellies' example isn't a very good one either. Just because the BBC didn't (it does now, I believe) bleep out the name of a dog in the Battle of Britain when it broadcast the film in the 1970's or '80's doesn't mean that the term was not offensive at that time. That is being used in a different context, as is the book currently sold on Amazon. Amazon are not endorsing the use of the word, they are just selling a book with that in the title.
It would appear that some forum posters are trying to justify what Clarkson said as acceptable, or shift the blame to the Mirror, or claim he didn't say what he appeared to say. I disagree with all of those positions to varying degrees. If the BBC give this a thorough investigation and conclude he said what it appears he did, I would like to think he is in very hot water with them. However, their track record with (not) taking decisive action over prior racists comments makes me wonder if they will.
Yeah sack the ****, ive just watched it with the volume right up, and all i can hear is nurr nurr nurr nurr, hes banged to rights, clear as day hes saying the n word, im bloody outraged! :mad:
People can choose to be offended or be genuinely insulted according to their own morals and background if the situation provokes such a reaction.
However, on this occasion, The Mirror are clearly inciting offense. They are asking their readers to be offended and seeking that reaction in others who otherwise would be oblivious to the situation. I find it offensive that my own intelligence is being insulted by their baiting tactics.
.. And I strongly advise various forum users not to recite what the perceive to be a harmless nursery rhyme next time they are e.g. riding the New York subway.
Unless they happen to be IC3, in which case it seems to be permissible.
If it was, then no-one told the BBC as they were showing the Battle Of Britain film without censoring the dog's name and no-one told the makers of Kiwi Boot Polish either.
When I was at primary school in the 80's we said tigger. Where's a clip of the video because I cant see it on the link provided
Sounds like a non story, it wasnt ever broadcast or intended for broadcast. Of course the n-word is offensive and hurtful (I wouldnt use it) but if he did say it he was probably remembering the version he knew growing up. Who cares anyway, its just a silly rhyme
In other stories on the same page it said "Clarkson in race row for calling black terrier Didier" (after Didier Drogba) - WTF? How is that racist because the dog is black and Drogba is black? So F*CKING WHAT?
People can choose to be offended or be genuinely insulted according to their own morals and background if the situation provokes such a reaction.
However, on this occasion, The Mirror are clearly inciting offense. They are asking their readers to be offended and seeking that reaction in others who otherwise would be oblivious to the situation. I find it offensive that my own intelligence is being insulted by their baiting tactics.
Its clearly not working, a poll on the Mirror site asking should Clarkson be sacked, 78% of respondents clicked NO, a similar poll in the Guardian this Morning had almost 60% voting NO.
I believe Clarkson and the Mirror have a history of animosity ?
So anyone who dares defend him (sometimes against flimsy "evidence") is a casual racist in your opinion? Fine at least we know.
Not quite. I'm saying people who watch Top Gear are obviously fine with casual racism, not that they ARE casual racists. It's not like this is the first time Clarkson has been accused of racism afterall.
I'm fine with people watching Top Gear, that doesn't mean I'm a Top Gear viewer.
No doubt, when Jessa started the rhythm, he didn't realise where it would take him, until a few syllables before so had to "fluff" the N word, recognising that it was not appropriate.
Reminds of when I started to say "I have been working like a b____" until my conscious mind caught up with my mouth and I was able to change it to "slave" in time.
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Except of course "Plebgate" wasn't silly.
Policemen, lied and colluded with each other in order to have a minister of state sacked from his job
So, No, not really the same thing at all.
Personally, I think its a pretty slow news day if this is the biggest story they've got to run with.
To wind up such people as the editor of the Daily Mirror?
I'm not going to click the link but I presume that is an original copy of that particular book, first published in 1939, whose title has since been changed. Because one word used in the title is deeply offensive.
Tony Hall seems like a sensible chap, it will be very interesting to see what he has to say about this. I'd put the odds on Clarkson being removed from the programme (or at least told to take six months off and think about life) at about evens.
I wonder how long the Beeb website can hold out before it covers the story, can't be too many sensible UK news outlets who aren't reporting on it.
Yeah, I mean it`s not like he has form or anything is it....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarksons-9-most-outspoken-3480134#.U2GERHfXjfc.twitter
Gone global now.
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2014/04/30/top-gears-jeremy-clarkson-trumps-donald-sterling-with-racist-slur/
He says it under his breath, but he does say it.
To recap, he has made insulting remarks towards people from Mexico and India, used a derogatory term towards Asian people on the programme, and now this. What a lovely chap.
Well that makes it ok then.
I gave you a description so that you would be better informed. The sales entries exist, that is a fact. It's not an adult-rated page, that is a fact. Amazon have put a picture of the book on the page. That is also a fact. And perhaps that picture is questionable as well (and that's an opinion).
And I take you back to my original point which was made in context (yes, that word again, rather important).
So please, don't presume to put words into my mouth.
I fail to see the relevance of that example. Just because Amazon sells copies of a book with a deeply offensive word in the title does not make it ok for Jeremy Clarkson to use it on an outtake of Top Gear, if in fact that is what he said. Which it appears to me, and several newspapers and other commentators, that he did.
Not that it (the Amazon reference) really matters. If you don't see the relevance, then maybe just move on.
There is a place on this earth for the JC's of this world as it stops most of us from becoming too earnest and up ourselves..... JC is provocative but I doubt he is racist.
Jellies' example isn't a very good one either. Just because the BBC didn't (it does now, I believe) bleep out the name of a dog in the Battle of Britain when it broadcast the film in the 1970's or '80's doesn't mean that the term was not offensive at that time. That is being used in a different context, as is the book currently sold on Amazon. Amazon are not endorsing the use of the word, they are just selling a book with that in the title.
It would appear that some forum posters are trying to justify what Clarkson said as acceptable, or shift the blame to the Mirror, or claim he didn't say what he appeared to say. I disagree with all of those positions to varying degrees. If the BBC give this a thorough investigation and conclude he said what it appears he did, I would like to think he is in very hot water with them. However, their track record with (not) taking decisive action over prior racists comments makes me wonder if they will.
However, on this occasion, The Mirror are clearly inciting offense. They are asking their readers to be offended and seeking that reaction in others who otherwise would be oblivious to the situation. I find it offensive that my own intelligence is being insulted by their baiting tactics.
Sounds like a non story, it wasnt ever broadcast or intended for broadcast. Of course the n-word is offensive and hurtful (I wouldnt use it) but if he did say it he was probably remembering the version he knew growing up. Who cares anyway, its just a silly rhyme
In other stories on the same page it said "Clarkson in race row for calling black terrier Didier" (after Didier Drogba) - WTF? How is that racist because the dog is black and Drogba is black? So F*CKING WHAT?
Its clearly not working, a poll on the Mirror site asking should Clarkson be sacked, 78% of respondents clicked NO, a similar poll in the Guardian this Morning had almost 60% voting NO.
I believe Clarkson and the Mirror have a history of animosity ?
Not quite. I'm saying people who watch Top Gear are obviously fine with casual racism, not that they ARE casual racists. It's not like this is the first time Clarkson has been accused of racism afterall.
I'm fine with people watching Top Gear, that doesn't mean I'm a Top Gear viewer.
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