Bill Maher Slams Stupid "liberals" over Islam
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/10/03/bill_maher_vs_ben_affleck_on_islam_mafia_that_will_****ing_kill_you_if_you_say_the_wrong_thing.html
In an interview with the dim witted Ben Affleck who comes out with the usual "liberal" brainwashed illogical views. (The 10 minute you tube video is the one I'd recommend)
In an interview with the dim witted Ben Affleck who comes out with the usual "liberal" brainwashed illogical views. (The 10 minute you tube video is the one I'd recommend)
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That said, I see both sides. All religion is bad, and Islam most of all. On the other hand, as soon as people talk about 'Muslim countries' like they're all the same they expose their agenda.
One the ball indeed. Or isn't this thread the FIRST of the issue on DS?
Did YOU put a thread up?
The point you have completely missed, still, is that the problems listed with Islam are NOT the same level as other religions.
Yeah, I was watching this episode, and I kinda agreed with both and neither of them. They were both sort of right but not entirely. Bill Maher's phrasing was a little too broad and it was insensitive to moderate Muslims, however Ben Affleck's response seemed a little naive and unwilling to face realities. Also I'm not sure Ben was able to 100% follow along with the entire conversation, because certain comments seemed a little disjointed.
Bill Maher is a bit too strident about atheism, but I'd rather have that than go the other way and give people a free pass to excuse any misbehavior in the name of mythology.
There was a "reply" to this by Reza Aslan.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/30/reza_aslan_mahers_facile_generalizations_of_islam_the_definition_of_bigotry.html
Edited to add: couldn't watch the video in your first link, says "Sorry, the page you are requesting could not be found".
Nah. Maher was right on the money. "Liberals" are kidding themselves.
I disagree. Religion inherently is good. It's only those who take everything out of context make it look bad.
We should all see beyond that and not form an opinion based on the actions of it's unfaithful followers.
Kidding themselves about what and why the term "liberals"?
Anything can be described as bad when scrutinised in a particular way with a particular agenda.
Have you heard the debate.
I usually like Sam Harris, but lawdy he comes off as a patronising dippy.
I'm calling it here first, there's going to be a brand of "new liberalism" soon with people like Maher telling everyone that if we don't believe what they do, you can't be in their little asskissing group.
I disagree with that. Religion in its fundamental form is pretty horrific; fundamentalists are the ones who follow it literally, word for word, and they're the worst kind because religious texts command all sorts of evil stuff if taken literally. The most unfaithful are those who cherry pick, and they are of course the best sort since they discard all the evil crap.
I appreciate that but as mentioned, surely we shouldn't be forming an opinion of an entire religion based on the actions of it's extreme minorities?
People didn't put a thread up because it was mentioned more than a few times in the other ISIS threads up here.
Also, how did I completely miss the point when that was the exact point I made in my post? "Islam most of all."
I didn't say we should. But if there's one thing we can say for certain, it's that religion is not inherently good. If it is inherently anything, it's bad. We are just lucky that most people who claim to be religious actually aren't and don't actually follow their religion much. If they did (like fundamentals do) we'd all be ****ed.
People are still not grasping the very simple point that: the problems are NOT just those from the proverbial "few nutters". Its MUCH MUCH wider than that.
That's exactly the point Sam Harris was making, and was trying to offer evidence of.
Those that think that the only people who follow Islam who pose a conundrum to some of the rights, values, laws etc that we have in the West are the ones carrying guns and cutting off heads, are sincerely naive.
There are facets of Islam followed by the majority of Muslims and practiced in Muslim-majority countries which are fundamentally incompatible with the societies we currently live in.
Maher and Harris put forward the idea that this is an issue which needs to be acknowledged and addressed not simply by non-Muslims, but by the so-called moderate Muslims and reformers within the religion, otherwise we will inevitably continue to encounter conflict and probably with greater frequency.
The debate was about Islam and its followers - I'd advise everyone to do a quick search for the 10 minute you tube video of this part.
Affleck just came across as frothing-in-the-mouth person.
Firstly, i highly doubt the 'its a minority' can be a valid excuse, when you have entire countries under the grip of this flavour of Islam, and strongly backed by a sizable group in the society (as evident if you ever watch the youtubes of the massive crowds coming to stone a woman).
Quite frankly, to argue this problem is some tiny minority, as it grips the entire middle-east, which is by far a larger land-mass then America, is quite disingenuous.
The canard of the more peaceful Muslim's shouldn't be tarred with the action's of extremists, is polite, but has many practical problems, not the least of which is that it encourages lazy ignorance that one can identify oneself as part of a religion, do nothing to educate yourself in it, and claim no responsibility or at least a responsibility to know the facts, i doubt any approach which just encourages lazy ignorance is beneficial for society.
In the end, the west will not crumble to Islam, that much we know, even if it hurts and kills many of its citizens, the real losers is muslims, particularly female muslims, and non-western non-muslim people who become subjugated under this militaristic Islam.
The question most people need to ask is, if a non-western person is being tortured by Islam, should we help them?
Reza Aslan is a board member of a lobbying group for the Islamic Republic of Iran which has been confirmed as a front group for Iran’s bloody Islamic regime.
http://www.legal-project.org/blog/2012/09/iranian-regime-loses-to-legal-project-in-federal
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Ben Affleck: Portrait of Islam’s Clueless Apologists
http://pjmedia.com/blog/ben-affleck-clueless-islam-apologist/?singlepage=true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/can-liberalism-be-saved-from-itself