Prices have doubled since the start of this massacre - cost of eggs going from 11 shekels to 22.
That's a disgrace. Were are all the charities and all the so called do gooders now when people are actually in dire need?
And the disgusting British government who would prefer to wail about already dead people from an air crash than get their finger out and help some real live people who are in a state of emergency?
Not that they care any more about the unfortunate folks in poverty in Britain that much either.
Common theme of the radical fundamentalists is what to do about the problem that is Israel, and the lack of any lasting peace deal/solution. So it's a bit of a rallying call to the disaffected who can do their bit for Allah by wiping out Israel. Then every time Israel 'mows the lawn', they get extra publicity material to help recruit more radicals and get more money. And as a bonus, get to hate the West for supporting Israel when they kill Palestinians/Arabs.
Not really. Original charter may have said that but since then Hamas has agreed to recognise Israel providing a 2-state solution is worked out. Likud's charter is pro-settlement and wants more land than orginally agreed, so it's easy to argue that some political factions within Israel want all land and the expulsion of all Arabs/Palestinians.
And has it abandoned all the rambling mumbo jumbo about barbaric warlords Jihad and sky fairies ? Its a fundamentalist terror group always has been always will be
Hamas send rockets over into Israel. Israel have the technology to defend, but justifiably want to stop Hamas sending rockets over. So they bomb Hamas, who have no way to defend themselves and everyone blames Israel.
Basically its up to Hamas. If they stop bombing Israel, then Israel leave them be, but the people of Gaza now support Hamas to keep bombing Israel.
Israel have all the technology they need to win, so Gaza are signing their own death warrants.
I read about him earlier too, just for a bit of input for the thread, I think it was the Wiki, where it said this guy had admired Hitler as being a military genius and also he's really up for legalizing cannabis, so he's a bit of a mixed bag:p
It's like he's come from a very conservative yet very liberal background so I guess he would be confused.
The Hitler thing can be a tad controversial. I kind of admire him for being a very charismatic leader, but then he was also batshit crazy. Luckily he was in no way a military genius or we'd have been in a worse mess. We were rather lucky Hitler regularly ignored the advice of his generals. But he was also a consumate politician who surrounded himself with a clique of yes men who made him look good and fed his ego. Same still happens in politics so anyone who wants to get to the top has to pander to a raft of interests and factions. Our political system is a lot simpler with 2-and-a-bit main parties and a few odds and sods. Not perfect, but a lot easier to understand and keep track of than Israeli politics. This chap is also one to watch-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman
Also Jellied Eel, do you think that Stormbringer would be glowing in the presence of this thread?
And has it abandoned all the rambling mumbo jumbo about barbaric warlords Jihad and sky fairies ?
I'm guessing you never read the Old Testament. Lots of barbaric warlords in there, many of them Jewish. As for sky fairies, you know this is all happening because God gave the land to the Jews?
The Ottoman Empire expanded and disintegrated over a period of several hundred years. WW1 saw the loss of this territory and the last remnants went in 1922 when Turkey became a republic.
At some point you might want to include the Aborigines and the Red Indians in the debate and wonder how many years must pass before we don't really care who originally lived there as the strongest always take over.
Basically its up to Hamas. If they stop bombing Israel, then Israel leave them be, but the people of Gaza now support Hamas to keep bombing Israel.
That still misses the point. Israel withdrew from Gaza (sort of) and Gaza was meant to become independent. That bit hasn't happened, and the rockets probably won't stop flying until it does. Israel doesn't really 'leave them be', it leaves them in an open prison. This isn't what the people living there want.
I thought this was about Israel and it's drift to the right, not Iran. Anway, we used to lock homosexuals up prior to becoming more liberal. How Israel manages it's clash between state and religion is just one of the many problems it needs to solve.
Israel has managed to survive for 67 years with the differences in Judaism. In that time there has been a Gaza civil war, Lebanon civil war, Jordanian civil war and an Arab Spring.
I think Islam needs to look at how Judaism solves it problems without resorting to killing each other.
So the clash between state and religion will never really be a problem.
That's a disgrace. Were are all the charities and all the so called do gooders now when people are actually in dire need?
And the disgusting British government who would prefer to wail about already dead people from an air crash than get their finger out and help some real live people who are in a state of emergency?
Not that they care any more about the unfortunate folks in poverty in Britain that much either.
The UK, which has already contributed over £17 million to help those affected by the conflict in Gaza, has activated its International Emergency Trauma Register to deploy a world class team of NHS staff directly to the region within the next 48 hours to help treat hundreds of those affected by the crisis.
The Hitler thing can be a tad controversial. I kind of admire him for being a very charismatic leader, but then he was also batshit crazy. Luckily he was in no way a military genius or we'd have been in a worse mess. We were rather lucky Hitler regularly ignored the advice of his generals. But he was also a consumate politician who surrounded himself with a clique of yes men who made him look good and fed his ego. Same still happens in politics so anyone who wants to get to the top has to pander to a raft of interests and factions. Our political system is a lot simpler with 2-and-a-bit main parties and a few odds and sods. Not perfect, but a lot easier to understand and keep track of than Israeli politics. This chap is also one to watch-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman
There's no doubt that Hitler was charismatic, he sure was able to stir up the blood of the people and unify them. i always got the impression they were venting their feelings upon the Jews what really should have been directed at the huge corporations and banking system that was destroying the country . It's awful to think people would stand by and let an event like that begin to bubble up again and yet it kinda looks like that's just what they're doing now in the world.
Our political system is a disaster. It doesn't work. We need to go back to feudal times lol.
Leiberman seems lovely.;-)
Stormbringer is always hungry
That's good. i have a huge overgrown shrub in the garden that needs tackling.:)
The UK, which has already contributed over £17 million to help those affected by the conflict in Gaza, has activated its International Emergency Trauma Register to deploy a world class team of NHS staff directly to the region within the next 48 hours to help treat hundreds of those affected by the crisis.
£17 million pounds is pocket money. Ian Duncan Smith spends that on one weeks underpants.
That's good about the medical attention but horrible to think about all the kids whose limbs they won't be able to reattach.
Its a fundamentalist terror group always has been always will be
Always?
Always?
I'm sure they said the same thing about the Zionist terrorist groups of the 1930s and 1940s, who thought nothing of bombing and indiscriminate killing to reach their objectives. The former leader of the terrorist Irgun organisation even went on to become Israeli Prime Minister.
So, let's not get too pessimistic (or amnesic), eh?
and there are still regular clashes in Israel between more/less Orthodox factions.
I think if you study history, that's rarely been true. If there were only one Abrahamic religion, maybe that would be different.
The amount of people to killed in the Gaza civil war tallied 900 in 5 days. They couldn't solve the problem without throwing people from high rise building and executing other, sectarian violence is still a problem in the Middle East today.
Judaism is based on the Torah but they don't stone people to death which is a practice still prevalent in many Islamic states so one of the religions has accepted that it's ethical to kill people based on sexuality.
There is clashes but still there no people being thrown from tower blocks.
It seems strange to think that Israel would be destroying Palestinian homes and lives on one hand and then supplying them with provisions on the other, but I'm not saying you're wrong, suppose stranger things happen.
It would be very moving to finally see Israel have show some compassion and a sign that there is a little good intention would probably go a long way, well maybe so I hope that is true.
Thats why all people are doing is just spreading "hate Israel" messages all the time. I don't know why they let Hamas and its propaganda machine keep doing that all the time. Trouble is if you try putting these messages on, people don't want to believe it!!
We forget that while Gaza is being raised to the ground, residents in the West Bank are also being terrorised. Early this morning a boy was murdered, shot in the back by the IDF. In the last month, at least 17 have been killed across the West Bank. Tragic waste of life!
This is what happens when you protest in the West Bank:
With all the bombing and damage to buildings, it's lucky they can keep their security cameras working in the right place at the right times!!! They must work better then some of the cameras here. I bet they're full colour HD as well?
The picture of that boy looks like he's waiting to be told he can open his eyes as they've taken the photo they need.
Hamas send rockets over into Israel. Israel have the technology to defend, but justifiably want to stop Hamas sending rockets over. So they bomb Hamas, who have no way to defend themselves and everyone blames Israel.
Basically its up to Hamas. If they stop bombing Israel, then Israel leave them be, but the people of Gaza now support Hamas to keep bombing Israel.
Israel have all the technology they need to win, so Gaza are signing their own death warrants.
Iron Dome is actually a big con. It appears to be a missile defence system, look a bit like patriot launchers, that is used to keep the Israeli citizens in a state of fear.
You may ask why I say that. Well show me Iron Dome actually intercepting a rocket, or anything really.
There are lots of vids of it launching 'missiles' which appear to be just a pyrotechnic display. One vid has people exclaiming that it looks like loads of jellyfish in the sky after it has done it's display explosion. It's like midnight on New Years Eve every day there. And why? Because it keeps people in a state of fear and therefore justifies the actions taken by Israel.
No rockets from Gaza either, being intercepted or otherwise. Israeli citizens think there is because the firework display goes up regularly, so there must be, right? ;-)
Don't take my word for it though, go look yourselves. Any evidence of Iron Dome actually shooting down a rocket, or anything?
Heat traces for interception? Radar or surveillance of it intercepting, or even of a rocket leaving Gaza?
Nothing but claims that they fired a rocket and it was Hamas. That's enough for some, but I prefer a bit more evidence than the word of the Israeli propaganda machine. That seems a bit harder to find.
Pallywood and the pornography of death: the Western media suckered again.
"In other words, Hamas engages in the exceptionally rare wartime act of actively victimizing one’s own civilian population – specifically a war crime – in order to win a victory in cognitive war. And they can only do so, if a corrupt media on the scene (including NGOs and UN agencies), rather than expose their criminal strategies, play along and present the images of dead babies in the framework of the Palestinian narrative of Israeli victimisation.
The fact that Hamas thought they could clean up the scene and pull off a Gaza Beach, successfully blaming the Israelis for the tragedy, speaks eloquently of their exceptionally low appraisal of the forensic acumen of the Western press (or their power to indimidate). And they have good reason to so believe. After all, Goldstone, in his investigation into the abuses of the Palestinian people during OCL, never once looked into this kind of human shielding. Imagine if he had!"
So AFP have been told what they can report as well? Better take a read of this.
Apparently Reuters have been told what they can report as well.
"Khalil was standing outside and at a distance some kids were throwing stones at the Israeli army," Anati told Reuters. "Suddenly Khalil collapsed to the ground and we rushed to him; he was all covered in blood."
The military said troops shot in response to a "violent riot" and that it was investigating Khalil al-Anati's death.
"Forces opened fire towards main instigators (of the disturbance), identifying a hit," the military spokesman said in a statement. "Initial indication suggests that unfortunately, a Palestinian boy was killed by the fire. The circumstances are being reviewed."
The biennual mowing of the lawn is obviously cheaper for Israel than supplying free contraceptives. ;-)
It must the Hamas way of reducing costs. Start a war to reduce the population.
It must be a coincidence that more Palestinian's have died since Hamas came to power while they hide in underground bunkers. Surely they don't start a war to kill their own civilians.
Channel 4 won't interview Mudar Zahran but Fox will. Maybe he doesn't suit Snows anti-Israeli agenda.
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That's a disgrace. Were are all the charities and all the so called do gooders now when people are actually in dire need?
And the disgusting British government who would prefer to wail about already dead people from an air crash than get their finger out and help some real live people who are in a state of emergency?
Not that they care any more about the unfortunate folks in poverty in Britain that much either.
And has it abandoned all the rambling mumbo jumbo about barbaric warlords Jihad and sky fairies ? Its a fundamentalist terror group always has been always will be
Well Hamas needs to take its cut so it can restock on weapons and the Palestinian government and Iran have stopped funding them
Basically its up to Hamas. If they stop bombing Israel, then Israel leave them be, but the people of Gaza now support Hamas to keep bombing Israel.
Israel have all the technology they need to win, so Gaza are signing their own death warrants.
The Hitler thing can be a tad controversial. I kind of admire him for being a very charismatic leader, but then he was also batshit crazy. Luckily he was in no way a military genius or we'd have been in a worse mess. We were rather lucky Hitler regularly ignored the advice of his generals. But he was also a consumate politician who surrounded himself with a clique of yes men who made him look good and fed his ego. Same still happens in politics so anyone who wants to get to the top has to pander to a raft of interests and factions. Our political system is a lot simpler with 2-and-a-bit main parties and a few odds and sods. Not perfect, but a lot easier to understand and keep track of than Israeli politics. This chap is also one to watch-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman
Stormbringer is always hungry
I'm guessing you never read the Old Testament. Lots of barbaric warlords in there, many of them Jewish. As for sky fairies, you know this is all happening because God gave the land to the Jews?
At some point you might want to include the Aborigines and the Red Indians in the debate and wonder how many years must pass before we don't really care who originally lived there as the strongest always take over.
That still misses the point. Israel withdrew from Gaza (sort of) and Gaza was meant to become independent. That bit hasn't happened, and the rockets probably won't stop flying until it does. Israel doesn't really 'leave them be', it leaves them in an open prison. This isn't what the people living there want.
Israel has managed to survive for 67 years with the differences in Judaism. In that time there has been a Gaza civil war, Lebanon civil war, Jordanian civil war and an Arab Spring.
I think Islam needs to look at how Judaism solves it problems without resorting to killing each other.
So the clash between state and religion will never really be a problem.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-send-nhs-medics-to-help-those-injured-by-gaza-crisis
The UK, which has already contributed over £17 million to help those affected by the conflict in Gaza, has activated its International Emergency Trauma Register to deploy a world class team of NHS staff directly to the region within the next 48 hours to help treat hundreds of those affected by the crisis.
Often by splitting into divisions, much as Christianity did. Problem is that can involve killing-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin#Assassination_and_aftermath
and there are still regular clashes in Israel between more/less Orthodox factions.
I think if you study history, that's rarely been true. If there were only one Abrahamic religion, maybe that would be different.
£17 million pounds is pocket money. Ian Duncan Smith spends that on one weeks underpants.
That's good about the medical attention but horrible to think about all the kids whose limbs they won't be able to reattach.
Always?
Always?
I'm sure they said the same thing about the Zionist terrorist groups of the 1930s and 1940s, who thought nothing of bombing and indiscriminate killing to reach their objectives. The former leader of the terrorist Irgun organisation even went on to become Israeli Prime Minister.
So, let's not get too pessimistic (or amnesic), eh?
The amount of people to killed in the Gaza civil war tallied 900 in 5 days. They couldn't solve the problem without throwing people from high rise building and executing other, sectarian violence is still a problem in the Middle East today.
Judaism is based on the Torah but they don't stone people to death which is a practice still prevalent in many Islamic states so one of the religions has accepted that it's ethical to kill people based on sexuality.
There is clashes but still there no people being thrown from tower blocks.
Thats why all people are doing is just spreading "hate Israel" messages all the time. I don't know why they let Hamas and its propaganda machine keep doing that all the time. Trouble is if you try putting these messages on, people don't want to believe it!!
Very biased sources for information.
With all the bombing and damage to buildings, it's lucky they can keep their security cameras working in the right place at the right times!!! They must work better then some of the cameras here. I bet they're full colour HD as well?
The picture of that boy looks like he's waiting to be told he can open his eyes as they've taken the photo they need.
If you'd bothered to check, you'd also see that this is being reported by AFP. I suppose they're too biased for your tastes, too?
Do you need to see brains hanging out to concede that a child is dead?
Shame on you.
Iron Dome is actually a big con. It appears to be a missile defence system, look a bit like patriot launchers, that is used to keep the Israeli citizens in a state of fear.
You may ask why I say that. Well show me Iron Dome actually intercepting a rocket, or anything really.
There are lots of vids of it launching 'missiles' which appear to be just a pyrotechnic display. One vid has people exclaiming that it looks like loads of jellyfish in the sky after it has done it's display explosion. It's like midnight on New Years Eve every day there. And why? Because it keeps people in a state of fear and therefore justifies the actions taken by Israel.
No rockets from Gaza either, being intercepted or otherwise. Israeli citizens think there is because the firework display goes up regularly, so there must be, right? ;-)
Don't take my word for it though, go look yourselves. Any evidence of Iron Dome actually shooting down a rocket, or anything?
Heat traces for interception? Radar or surveillance of it intercepting, or even of a rocket leaving Gaza?
Nothing but claims that they fired a rocket and it was Hamas. That's enough for some, but I prefer a bit more evidence than the word of the Israeli propaganda machine. That seems a bit harder to find.
AIPAC talking heads revealed,....
Must be different sources. I read went up from 10 to 20.
I also read Khaled Ighrad, 48, who was buying food with his wife and one of his six children, has had to cut back on some key items for his family.
Don't have 6 children and he could afford more!!!
So AFP have been told what they can report as well? Better take a read of this.
Pallywood and the pornography of death: the Western media suckered again.
"In other words, Hamas engages in the exceptionally rare wartime act of actively victimizing one’s own civilian population – specifically a war crime – in order to win a victory in cognitive war. And they can only do so, if a corrupt media on the scene (including NGOs and UN agencies), rather than expose their criminal strategies, play along and present the images of dead babies in the framework of the Palestinian narrative of Israeli victimisation.
The fact that Hamas thought they could clean up the scene and pull off a Gaza Beach, successfully blaming the Israelis for the tragedy, speaks eloquently of their exceptionally low appraisal of the forensic acumen of the Western press (or their power to indimidate). And they have good reason to so believe. After all, Goldstone, in his investigation into the abuses of the Palestinian people during OCL, never once looked into this kind of human shielding. Imagine if he had!"
Apparently Reuters have been told what they can report as well.
"Khalil was standing outside and at a distance some kids were throwing stones at the Israeli army," Anati told Reuters. "Suddenly Khalil collapsed to the ground and we rushed to him; he was all covered in blood."
The military said troops shot in response to a "violent riot" and that it was investigating Khalil al-Anati's death.
"Forces opened fire towards main instigators (of the disturbance), identifying a hit," the military spokesman said in a statement. "Initial indication suggests that unfortunately, a Palestinian boy was killed by the fire. The circumstances are being reviewed."
Not that you will care of course.
Palestinians have large families for survival.
The biennual mowing of the lawn is obviously cheaper for Israel than supplying free contraceptives. ;-)
It must the Hamas way of reducing costs. Start a war to reduce the population.
It must be a coincidence that more Palestinian's have died since Hamas came to power while they hide in underground bunkers. Surely they don't start a war to kill their own civilians.
Channel 4 won't interview Mudar Zahran but Fox will. Maybe he doesn't suit Snows anti-Israeli agenda.
Most Gazan Citizens Have Had Enough of Hamas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOruJeHQoE0