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BBC ''Got It Wrong'' Over Balding Joke

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The BBC has admitted it ''got it wrong'' in a Radio 5 programme where panellists joked about ''curing Clare Balding of homosexuality.'' The remarks - on a live programme - were inappropriate and have been removed from the BBC i-player, the BBC said.One panellist said that Balding ''appreciates a bit of power between her legs''.

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    TUCTUC Posts: 5,105
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    The BBC seeking to edit history again. Whether the comments were right or wrong, editing it from IPlayer is changing a record and should not be done.
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    DragonQDragonQ Posts: 4,807
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    Jokes are jokes, get over it. If you don't like a particular joke, stop listening. Censorship due to people possibly being offended is the real joke here.
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    degsyhufcdegsyhufc Posts: 59,251
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    They are very lazy on problems with programmes on iPlayer.

    They removed an episode of Saturday Kitchen from it because of one swear word in the 90 minute episode.

    They could have edited the programme to bleep/blank the word.
    They could have put up a warning on the programme or page explaining about the language.

    Or possibly they could have just ignored it and put it up how it went out live.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    TUC wrote: »
    The BBC seeking to edit history again. Whether the comments were right or wrong, editing it from IPlayer is changing a record and should not be done.

    It pleases Ofcom and that's all really care about...
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    davestokedavestoke Posts: 3,009
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    I hardly think it's the worst topic ever to appear on "defend the indefensible"! I wish people would get a life sometimes.
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    TUCTUC Posts: 5,105
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    It pleases Ofcom and that's all really care about...

    Perish the thought that its only a certain metropolitan elite that might be offended.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    TUC wrote: »
    Perish the thought that its only a certain metropolitan elite that might be offended.

    The comments about Claire Balding were offensive, but if they pull them off the iPlayer, Ofcom views it as the BBC taking steps to counter the offence caused, and it may aid the BBC's cause when (or if) Ofcom decides to investigate.

    When I said "that's all they really care about" I meant that the BBC cares about pleasing Ofcom and not offending the audience more than preserving history. It was not intended as commentary on the remarks...
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    Clare is usually up for a laugh, i expect she wouldn't have minded one bit.

    Really, i feel that people are missing the bigger picture here.

    The Beeb feels forced to apologise for everything, even humour, in order to head off negative publicity from certain sections of the media.

    Soon they will be unable to broadcast anything at all just in case it offends anyone.

    Humour will be gone if we're not careful here.

    All the while those publications that like to "go big" on these things will still do their own sordid buisness with no risk of a comback.
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    "got it wrong" is the phrase to use if or when the BBC invade Iraq with tanks and sharks with "lasers" on their heads.

    I hear comments of an outrageously un-PC nature from Graham Norton all the time on his chat show. Often they are aimed at showbiz drug addicts and mental cases of course, pathetic wretches with little social standing. So that's all right then.

    This is the problem, it's so hypocritical of the BBC to block anti-liberal comments directed at certain social groups while allowing similar comments to go ahead at entirely different social groups.

    Norton is endlessly having a go at Lindsay Lohan for example. And I'm sure Britney Spears. Complete wrecks in their time. Mock them but not Balding?
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    Super_FurrySuper_Furry Posts: 774
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    'Defend the Indefensible' is supposed to be just that and, in addition to the section's title, there is a disclaimer made before they start.

    Quoting what was said without giving any context to why it was said is just fanning the flames.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    Tassium wrote: »
    "got it wrong" is the phrase to use if or when the BBC invade Iraq with tanks and sharks with "lasers" on their heads.

    I hear comments of an outrageously un-PC nature from Graham Norton all the time on his chat show. Often they are aimed at showbiz drug addicts and mental cases of course, pathetic wretches with little social standing. So that's all right then.

    This is the problem, it's so hypocritical of the BBC to block anti-liberal comments directed at certain social groups while allowing similar comments to go ahead at entirely different social groups.

    Norton is endlessly having a go at Lindsay Lohan for example. And I'm sure Britney Spears. Complete wrecks in their time. Mock them but not Balding?

    I don't think they were upset about the victim, they were upset about the arguably homophobic nature of the comments...
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    Will the BBC never show a fiction film featuring a rape in the future? Or a murder.
    What a bizarre action.

    There will always be a minority who don't get this type of deliberately provocative humour.

    Al Murray (pub landlord) comes to mind.

    Such a character could never appear on a BBC channel nowadays that's for sure.
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    MadMoo40MadMoo40 Posts: 1,848
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    I don't think they were upset about the victim, they were upset about the arguably homophobic nature of the comments...

    Who is this "they"? The Daily Mail readership?

    After the DM printed a one-sided, out of context, article about the broadcast, their readership duly got outraged - despite not having listened to the broadcast. The same readership who will be back on their anti-gay, anti-same sex marriage agenda tomorrow.

    The comments were not homophobic at all. The idea of "Defend the Indefensible" is to have an ironic rant about something you don't agree with - that's the whole point, to see who has the guts to go the full 30 seconds defending something quite obviously considered to be indefensible - the clue is in the title.

    Claire Balding has been on FT before - apparently flashing her boobs at Colin Murray to gain extra points! She has never denied this, and its a running joke when she is on the show. She gives as good as she gets and is obviously held in high regard by the panelists. No way was Bob Mills being homophobic and no way would he have meant any of it. It was a joke ffs.
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    Marmite BabyMarmite Baby Posts: 3,598
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    I thought it was April 1st when I heard about this especially when it's "Defend the Indefensible". Another consequence of Sachsgate, me thinks.
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    carl.waringcarl.waring Posts: 35,705
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    Indeed. "Let's get the apology in before the Daily Wail blows it up out of all proportion again" :)
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    Indeed. "Let's get the apology in before the Daily Wail blows it up out of all proportion again" :)

    Spot on, and that is why it is done.

    Thanks to this, comedy might be saved for another few weeks....
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    Tassium wrote: »
    Will the BBC never show a fiction film featuring a rape in the future? Or a murder.
    What a bizarre action.

    There will always be a minority who don't get this type of deliberately provocative humour.

    Al Murray (pub landlord) comes to mind.

    Such a character could never appear on a BBC channel nowadays that's for sure.

    Apart from the subject of this thread of course, and Norton's material which, you yourself, have highlighted.

    So, it DOES still appear, just with an apology to head off the newspapers who will try and whip up outrage.

    And these days, the apology comes before the firestorm.
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    I read it this morning, it did not sound particularly funny but I don't think that she is the type to make a fuss about something silly like that.
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    R410R410 Posts: 2,991
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    So, have they cured her of it yet? :p
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    I think 20 minutes in a room with Bob Mills would be enough for any woman, gay or straight.

    My apologies I typed the link slightly incorrectly:

    www.bbc.co.uk/ariel
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    TUC wrote: »
    The BBC seeking to edit history again. Whether the comments were right or wrong, editing it from IPlayer is changing a record and should not be done.

    Sorry, but repeating something that is acknowledged to be wrong or offensive is quite simply, wrong.

    No ifs, no buts.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    DragonQ wrote: »
    Jokes are jokes, get over it. If you don't like a particular joke, stop listening. Censorship due to people possibly being offended is the real joke here.

    So we have cases when the BBC is criticised for not admitting that they were wrong (in the face of viewer complaints) - the oft-repeated line of "we're right and you're wrong" (look in a number of recent Points of View threads in TV forum for that phrase - i's very popular with a few posters).

    And now they are criticised for admitting that they were wrong ("e're wrong and you're right")..


    Can't really win can they.
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    There doesn't seem to have been a complaint from Clare Balding - or were the BBC trying to head off the Daily Fail ? At this rate they'll be apologising for virtually everything they broadcast - a sharp contrast with BBC News executives who are ''perfectly satisfied'' with their coverage regardless of the complaints
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    ftv wrote: »
    There doesn't seem to have been a complaint from Clare Balding - or were the BBC trying to head off the Daily Fail ? At this rate they'll be apologising for virtually everything they broadcast - a sharp contrast with BBC News executives who are ''perfectly satisfied'' with their coverage regardless of the complaints

    So doesn't that demonstrate that each complaint is viewed on its merits (and in context) rather than a knee-jerk "we're right/we're wrong" approach?


    I just don't get what people want here - they moan when the BBC refuses to admit that a complaint was justified. They moan if the BBC admits that a complaint was justified.


    And remember - just because you might find something offensive (or not offensive) it does not mean that it IS offensive (or not) when viewed "in the round"
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    GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    In what way did they get it wrong? By editing it out?
    Seems fair to me.
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