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Here's The Counter To "Living Within Our Means"

TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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"Increasing Our Wealth"

Because if you increase your wealth you are still living within your means, you have simply extended your means

Maybe a few cutbacks would make sense, but "moderation in everything".

Cutting back never makes you richer.

What Makes Most Sense? 72 votes

Increasing Our Wealth / Also Some Mild Cuts
58% 42 votes
Austerity / Extreme Cuts
37% 27 votes
I Don't Know
4% 3 votes
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    I think that's a sensible position to take for the UK.

    But for some people "austerity" is almost a religion these days. I don't think they will be convinced.

    It's a shame, because we could be really doing well these days if austerity had not been followed so extremely.
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    Net NutNet Nut Posts: 10,286
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    Tassium wrote: »
    I think that's a sensible position to take for the UK.

    But for some people "austerity" is almost a religion these days. I don't think they will be convinced.

    It's a shame, because we could be really doing well these days if austerity had not been followed so extremely.

    Pity more people can't/won't see it. :(
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    I read this somewhere a couple of days ago and it stuck with me.

    Let's stop referring to it as anti-austerity and call it what it is: pro-debt.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    David Tee wrote: »
    I read this somewhere a couple of day ago and it stuck with me.

    Let's stop referring to it as anti-austerity and call it what it is: pro-debt.

    We could always go to Ocean Finance and consolidate our debts into one easy payment or sell off out gold to Cash For Gold

    Oh wait a minute :D
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    David Tee wrote: »
    I read this somewhere a couple of days ago and it stuck with me.

    Let's stop referring to it as anti-austerity and call it what it is: pro-debt.

    Sounds like something out of 1984
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    Net NutNet Nut Posts: 10,286
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Sounds like something out of 1984

    That's where all this is going >:(

    We are now scapegoating working people :(
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    mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Sounds like something out of 1984

    1984 was over 30 years ago Jol
    FYI we are now living in the 21st Century
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    AristaeusAristaeus Posts: 9,974
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    David Tee wrote: »
    I read this somewhere a couple of days ago and it stuck with me.

    Let's stop referring to it as anti-austerity and call it what it is: pro-debt.

    Nobody is pro-debt. What people are debating/arguing is the best way to reduce debt, how much tax should play a part, how much cutting is needed and where to cut.

    Being anti-austerity doesn't mean you're anti-cuts.
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    MartinPMartinP Posts: 31,358
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    Tassium wrote: »
    I think that's a sensible position to take for the UK.

    Are you agreeing with yourself in the OP? :confused::D

    Of course, we are increasing our wealth with the level of cuts already in place as GDP and real wages are increasing.
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    MartinPMartinP Posts: 31,358
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Sounds like something out of 1984

    Is it "Hello" by Lionel Richie?
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    We could always go to Ocean Finance and consolidate our debts into one easy payment or sell off out gold to Cash For Gold

    Oh wait a minute :D

    They are not your debts!

    Perhaps one of the biggest cons perpetrated by the pro-austerity Establishment is to get the masses to believe that the failings of the system are somehow their own.

    They are not.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    1984 was over 30 years ago Jol
    FYI we are now living in the 21st Century

    ..... and still basically operating the same, creaking economic system that we lived under 200 years ago.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    They are not your debts!

    Perhaps one of the biggest cons perpetrated by the pro-austerity Establishment is to get the masses to believe that the failings of the system are somehow their own.

    They are not.

    Just where do you think the money is coming from to pay off the government debt , there isn't a magical money tree despite whtat Ed Balls wanted you to believe it from the taxes that you , I and everyone pays
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    Just where do you think the money is coming from to pay off the government debt , there isn't a magical money tree despite whtat Ed Balls wanted you to believe it from the taxes that you , I and everyone pays

    Quite. The failings of the system operated by the Establishment are always paid for by the working classes.

    Glad you agree.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Quite. The failings of the system operated by the Establishment are always paid for by the working classes.

    Glad you agree.

    It may come as a shock but even the rich pay taxes :confused: and just who do you think pays for the failings in a Socialist of Communist state ?
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,534
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    Wages increasing , GDP increasing ,Unemployment down, Cuts modest compared to the continent.

    Basically the government are doing what you want
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    MattN wrote: »
    Wages increasing , GDP increasing ,Unemployment down, Cuts modest compared to the continent.

    Basically the government are doing what you want

    Tory Party press notice alert!

    If the government made a really serious attempt to recoup the monies annually lost to tax avoidance and evasion, both individual and corporate, then the amount of cuts required to produce a balanced budget would be significantly less and everyone in the country would be better off.

    HMRC puts the lost revenue figure at £35 billion while others put it at £40 billion (63% avoidance, 37% evasion) and while it would be difficult to get 100% of that money back, it should be realistic to go after 75-80% but this lot, like their predecessors, aren't even trying.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Tory Party press notice alert!

    If the government made a really serious attempt to recoup the monies annually lost to tax avoidance and evasion, both individual and corporate, then the amount of cuts required to produce a balanced budget would be significantly less and everyone in the country would be better off.

    HMRC puts the lost revenue figure at £35 billion while others put it at £40 billion (63% avoidance, 37% evasion) and while it would be difficult to get 100% of that money back, it should be realistic to go after 75-80% but this lot, like their predecessors, aren't even trying.

    As tax avoidance is legal they can only go after the 37% thats evasion
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    hoppyuppyhoppyuppy Posts: 10,382
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    The idle and the feckless are probably the ones with most to worry about. There will be no TV programmes about them.:o
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    David Tee wrote: »
    I read this somewhere a couple of days ago and it stuck with me.

    Let's stop referring to it as anti-austerity and call it what it is: pro-debt.

    Only if we can all austerity what it is, which is ideologically-driven reduction of the state.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    hoppyuppy wrote: »
    The idle and the feckless are probably the ones with most to worry about. There will be no TV programmes about them.:o

    You mean the children with wealthy parents who do bugger all? Yep, complete waste of space.
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    hoppyuppyhoppyuppy Posts: 10,382
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    You mean the children with wealthy parents who do bugger all? Yep, complete waste of space.

    Yes, the benefit claimers are the only wealthy parents that I know.:p
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,534
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    Only if we can all austerity what it is, which is ideologically-driven reduction of the state.

    So ideological that the government has cut at the rate Alistair darling proposed.

    Hardly someone in favour of a small state
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    MesostimMesostim Posts: 52,864
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    1984 was over 30 years ago Jol
    FYI we are now living in the 21st Century

    Hopefully the Tories won't remove the "That Reference Went Over Your Head" Subsidy.
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    As tax avoidance is legal they can only go after the 37% thats evasion

    ..is entirely the wrong answer. Going after tax avoiders means closing down tax loopholes and aggressively going after avoidance schemes and tax planners who are trying to flout and misuse tax laws and regulations. All it requires is political will to do that.
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