This buddy cop show version of Lucifer has only the most tenuous connections to Mike Carey's marvellous books. Somehow I doubt there'll be room for Elaine Belloc and Mona, Goddess of Hedgehogs.
Sticking to the books would require a budget bigger than Game of Thrones.
This buddy cop show version of Lucifer has only the most tenuous connections to Mike Carey's marvellous books. Somehow I doubt there'll be room for Elaine Belloc and Mona, Goddess of Hedgehogs. Sticking to the books would require a budget bigger than Game of Thrones.
This is true I think this version is more in origin with Neil Gaiman's original Lucifer Morningstar in The Sandman comics though than those of Mike Carey's imprints.
As for the episode, I enjoyed it but a lot of that is down to the fact that Tom Ellis is selling the suave and sophisticated gentleman ideal of the devil with just a hint of menace under the surface.....
......... the story itself was a bit poor but I don't mind it being a police procedural at the moment, there's enough odd little quirks for it to not feel too samey and it's only Episode 2.
Completely agree. Episode 2 wasn't as good as episode 1, but Lucifer still makes me laugh out loud, and he's as charismatic as hell (pun intended). This could well become my new favourite show.
The existence of this show just proves that it's moronic businessmen that control Hollywood and who should have absolutely no bearing on making creative decisions.
I love Tom in this role, BUT the show is just a hideous hideous mess in terms of conception.
I suppose the element of Humour will be fine as long as they don't over do it, the biggest problem I see will be the competition from some well established shows that have loyal followings. I hop Lucifer gets the benefit of the doubt
It was probably more a dig at the very long-running comic book character, which has recently had a comic relaunched
No, it was a very knowing nod to the show as Lucifer shares the same studio lot up in Vancouver as Supernatural. There's even a picture of Jared and Jensen with the cast of Lucifer and Legends of Tomorrow underneath a banner welcoming the new "freshman" class to Vancouver from your "friends at Supernatural Season 11". Was a very deliberate line.
Anyway I enjoyed the pilot a lot but episode 2 didn't grab me at all and reviewers who were sent the first 3 eps found the same issues, Tom Ellis very good in the role but very dull cases of the week. I hope it improves.
No, it was a very knowing nod to the show as Lucifer shares the same studio lot up in Vancouver as Supernatural. There's even a picture of Jared and Jensen with the cast of Lucifer and Legends of Tomorrow underneath a banner welcoming the new "freshman" class to Vancouver from your "friends at Supernatural Season 11". Was a very deliberate line.
Anyway I enjoyed the pilot a lot but episode 2 didn't grab me at all and reviewers who were sent the first 3 eps found the same issues, Tom Ellis very good in the role but very dull cases of the week. I hope it improves.
I imagine episode 3 is all it gets before people decide whether it's good enough to continue.
Ellis is great but his shtick will get mighty old if there's nothing of substance behind it.
And yet strangely it's a bit like comfort food and I'm not going to ditch it just yet.
They must be doing something right.....barely
It was but we did get a bit more insight into Lucifer and what's driving him. Although this has only a bare resemblance to the original source material, I'm absolutely loving the whole vibe of the show.
It's just fun and Lucifer definitely gets all the best lines. His jibe about Lucifake and denial being a river in Egypt both had me chuckling.
Whilst I still enjoyed this episode, surely, anyone who isn't directly involved in a police case would ultimately be arrested for pushing a suspect through a window, no?
It's unlikely to be, they've chosen a police procedural as the hook they're hanging Lucifer's story narrative onto.
The police procedural can only last so long though I think before his actual existence is called into question. There's that sub plot with that other angel in the background, and Mace/Maze; she hasn't done a lot yet, no doubt her involvement with the show will increase as the show progresses, thus turning it into more than a mere police show.
Whilst I still enjoyed this episode, surely, anyone who isn't directly involved in a police case would ultimately be arrested for pushing a suspect through a window, no?
The police procedural can only last so long though I think before his actual existence is called into question. There's that sub plot with that other angel in the background, and Mace/Maze; she hasn't done a lot yet, no doubt her involvement with the show will increase as the show progresses, thus turning it into more than a mere police show.
I hope so, the wealth of material in the comics is enough to generate some brilliant story lines centred more around Lucifier himself which they can then wrap around the procedural. Unfortunately, it seems like they're doing it the other way round though and the police procedural is the main narrative.
This is an issue with shows like Lucifer. You need to make the cases they solve interesting. I often wonder if this is why Forever didn't do well. The immortal twist of the main character was great but it was essentially a bog standard crime drama with just a tiny supernatural twist.
Same with Almost Human and Minority Report.
Another upcoming procedural is due soon on FOX called Houdini and Doyle. But it sounds much better because I believe the cases they solve are of a supernatural nature.
Almost Human was great, though I think it failed, in part, because of the inconsistencies. Didn't the network release the episodes completely out of order or something?
Almost Human was great, though I think it failed, in part, because of the inconsistencies. Didn't the network release the episodes completely out of order or something?
They did, yeah
Although to be fair, it never really failed in terms of ratings. It never went below a 1.5 in demo's but they simply had no room for it as other shows were doing just a bit better. I believe it deserved a second season to work out the kinks. I personally didn't think airing the episodes out of order made of difference. Even watching them in the correct order, it never made the quality any better.
I wonder if they are using the Police procedural as a way to introduce his character to the cop lady. Then once she is introduced to Lucifer as who he is and the Supernatural world we start to see them solving more Supernatural crimes, perhaps while he is away people are escaping rom Hell. I dunno but I do think if it carries on as is, it won't last long.
I think it entirely depends on what people are wanting from it. For me at the moment it's amusing enough and Tom Ellis is carrying the show on his charisma alone. If I didn't like him as an actor it would probably get stale a lot quicker though.
I think it entirely depends on what people are wanting from it. For me at the moment it's amusing enough and Tom Ellis is carrying the show on his charisma alone. If I didn't like him as an actor it would probably get stale a lot quicker though.
Ironically, as a rule I don't enjoy Tom Ellis but in this show he's totally on the money portraying Lucifer. I can't think of anyone better to play this character.
I wonder if they are using the Police procedural as a way to introduce his character to the cop lady. Then once she is introduced to Lucifer as who he is and the Supernatural world we start to see them solving more Supernatural crimes, perhaps while he is away people are escaping rom Hell. I dunno but I do think if it carries on as is, it won't last long.
The one glimmer of hope is that they are ramping up his abilities to the point that Decker can't easily ignore.
Like that she was looking up hypnotism as an explanation, but now she has to look up how he throws a 16 stone bloke through a window with one hand !!
Yes. Tom is great in the role at the moment but I think he will also be great as an angry Lucifer too. The few glimpses we've seen I haven't thought "Oh god. He doesn't do angry very well" I think he'd be just as great doing that as he is as the charming devil on the shoulder.
I also agree with the ramping up of abilities. In the first 2 episodes it come across as all he could do was hide his face and be a walking truth serum.
Yes. Tom is great in the role at the moment but I think he will also be great as an angry Lucifer too. The few glimpses we've seen I haven't thought "Oh god. He doesn't do angry very well" I think he'd be just as great doing that as he is as the charming devil on the shoulder.
I also agree with the ramping up of abilities. In the first 2 episodes it come across as all he could do was hide his face and be a walking truth serum.
Agree with you both. They've hinted just enough I think at how devastating he could be if he lets rip with his anger and they're now starting to make Decker have to seriously consider if what he's saying just might not be true.
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It's silly but enjoyable, need some more back story though.
Sticking to the books would require a budget bigger than Game of Thrones.
This is true
I love Tom in this role, BUT the show is just a hideous hideous mess in terms of conception.
Anyway I enjoyed the pilot a lot but episode 2 didn't grab me at all and reviewers who were sent the first 3 eps found the same issues, Tom Ellis very good in the role but very dull cases of the week. I hope it improves.
I imagine episode 3 is all it gets before people decide whether it's good enough to continue.
Ellis is great but his shtick will get mighty old if there's nothing of substance behind it.
It's unlikely to be, they've chosen a police procedural as the hook they're hanging Lucifer's story narrative onto.
And yet strangely it's a bit like comfort food and I'm not going to ditch it just yet.
They must be doing something right.....barely
Nooooooooooooo. Say it ain't so
That's rather depressing!
It was but we did get a bit more insight into Lucifer and what's driving him. Although this has only a bare resemblance to the original source material, I'm absolutely loving the whole vibe of the show.
It's just fun and Lucifer definitely gets all the best lines. His jibe about Lucifake and denial being a river in Egypt both had me chuckling.
The police procedural can only last so long though I think before his actual existence is called into question. There's that sub plot with that other angel in the background, and Mace/Maze; she hasn't done a lot yet, no doubt her involvement with the show will increase as the show progresses, thus turning it into more than a mere police show.
I hope so, the wealth of material in the comics is enough to generate some brilliant story lines centred more around Lucifier himself which they can then wrap around the procedural. Unfortunately, it seems like they're doing it the other way round though and the police procedural is the main narrative.
Same with Almost Human and Minority Report.
Another upcoming procedural is due soon on FOX called Houdini and Doyle. But it sounds much better because I believe the cases they solve are of a supernatural nature.
THIS is What we need! Something - anything - to elevate Lucifer from the mundane background on which it currently stands.
They did, yeah
Although to be fair, it never really failed in terms of ratings. It never went below a 1.5 in demo's but they simply had no room for it as other shows were doing just a bit better. I believe it deserved a second season to work out the kinks. I personally didn't think airing the episodes out of order made of difference. Even watching them in the correct order, it never made the quality any better.
Ironically, as a rule I don't enjoy Tom Ellis but in this show he's totally on the money portraying Lucifer. I can't think of anyone better to play this character.
The one glimmer of hope is that they are ramping up his abilities to the point that Decker can't easily ignore.
Like that she was looking up hypnotism as an explanation, but now she has to look up how he throws a 16 stone bloke through a window with one hand !!
I also agree with the ramping up of abilities. In the first 2 episodes it come across as all he could do was hide his face and be a walking truth serum.
Agree with you both. They've hinted just enough I think at how devastating he could be if he lets rip with his anger and they're now starting to make Decker have to seriously consider if what he's saying just might not be true.