How much would you bet that the benefits culture will still be here in 20 years?
I would bet my credit card limit of 12k.
Ive thought about it and bar some industrial revolotion happening again with an endless supply of un-skilled jobs in poor neighbourhoods, then I just dont see how they will ever get the 6 million folk off benefits.
Can you?
Ive thought about it and bar some industrial revolotion happening again with an endless supply of un-skilled jobs in poor neighbourhoods, then I just dont see how they will ever get the 6 million folk off benefits.
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The question though is it worth while dealing with the workshy when it costs far less to get people who want to work into work.
The people I generally see tied into this more often that not come under my 'c**t culture' category - which is immemorial.
you lose. pay me now.
The government are probably hoping that a few million elderly and disabled will die from the cold as a result of the greedy scumbag energy companies cartel bumping up their prices again, just in time for winter, surprise, surprise!
However, for people who have criminal records, do drugs or just utterly work shy I would like to see their benefits scrapped.
This is the whole points the benefits shake up that IDS is proposing.
The the next generation see their parents going out to work, albeit it may be just to get their benefits, but the cycle is broken and the children learn that money be earned.
No, the true lesson is that this government is just as willing to use public money to cover up the damage that globalisation has done to this country as the previous one was. One bloated the public sector to provide jobs in regions badly hit by the policies of the 1980s and now the next is going to make people do community service for benefits. It's the same principle, but modified to appeal to each party's supporters.
I'm sorry to say there are a few people who claim disability who milk/cheat the system ( I know of at least one, well 2 if you include my mother in law!)
And there are some people who may have a criminal record, who have/had turned their lives around.
Not everything is black and white (unfortunatley)
You'll never get rid of lazy buggers, you'll never get rid of poverty (dispite what Bono says) and you can never irradicate greed (Phillip Green amoungst others!)
I disagree, its a absolute possibility, its a very bad one however. A bit of unemployment is far preferable to a labour shortage.
The trouble with that is that you're going to end up with a far larger, and many cases costlier prison population instead.
Exactly.
There'll never be 100% work for everyone able to work
So slave labour is something you'd support then?
I'd imagine we'll have a load of people in shared accommodation, as opposed to single family-occupied homes today. They'll still be in estates along with government created settlements created on the outskirts of towns. This is the fate of those who don't work.
As I said not a reason to keep them on benefits, but its worth pointing out.
I wouldn't bet on it.
I remember when the run down areas of Britain were full of people who got up early and went off to work, work in the mills, work in the factories, work in the mines. I remember these people fighting to keep their jobs, they didn't want to be on the dole, they fought hard not to be on the dole but the rich could make more from buying abroad and using oil instead of coal. I saw entire streets, whole areas, towns thrown out of work at the same time. I saw the police force turned into a private army to enforce it.
Now those MPs who saw nothing wrong with claiming tax payers money for a house they did not have sit in the House and talk of those who have grown up in houses where no one works.
It wasn't the unemployed who caused this crisis, the money we give the unemployed they give us back, it stays in the system, they give it to the shopkeepers and the utility companies they give it to the tax man in VAT, they don't spirit away to some offshore account. It's the £850,000,000,000 we gave the bankers that caused this crisis, those same bankers who give themselves billions in bonuses.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had no welfare state at all in another 10 years, if hospitals were just for the rich and the insured, if those who could not get work were left begging for food on street corners. It wouldn't surprise me if those who espoused the capitalist system and condemned the socialist yet still came cap in hand for socialist money when they became the victims of their own greed didn't take our money and run. They're capitalists, that's what they do, all that matters is the bottom line.
It's easy to get 6 million people off benefits, you just stop giving them the benefits, that's what they're starting to do isn't it?
Did anybody else reading this (above) have the Hovis tune playing in the back of their head?
It does feel a bit like that. It's true though, we had far fewer people on benefits back then. The blame for the present mess should be fairly placed on recent governments and business leaders and not the victims. I'm getting really fed up with certain people going all 80s Tory on here and laying into those without work all the time. I guess their next target will be single parents, it usually is.
You think 3 million people losing their jobs is funny?
Says it all don't it.
Sadly some people dont care about what happened in the 80s. But your right, back then people actually worked and society had a purpose.
Just look at the state of these council estates today!:(:(