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If Labour destroys ifself after Corbyn Wins?
Jus been reading other thread that has a poll about Labour after Saturday's Leadership Result just got me wonder what if Corbyn win the Leadership and down the years destroys itself because certain factions with in the Labour Party hate each etc and split just then after 2020 becomes the main Opposition
I think Corbyn will win the Leadership and do well but there other Factors and Factions within the Labour Party might try and scupper his plans for the party's Future
Could the Labour Party itself or some other Guise stay as the main opposition still backing the Tories with austery etc or another party
Could Lib Dems Under Tim Farron becaome the new Opposition and have a Resurgence because of Labour's infight and Possible splits in itself or would they have to wait till 2025 to over take Labour
Could Ukip become the Opposition after the General Election at the expense of the Labour Party infighting and splits and take one the tories over the likes of europe other Subjects
Could we another a New Party Emerge as a Main Opposition at the GE and after and have new & different appoach
I think Corbyn will win the Leadership and do well but there other Factors and Factions within the Labour Party might try and scupper his plans for the party's Future
Could the Labour Party itself or some other Guise stay as the main opposition still backing the Tories with austery etc or another party
Could Lib Dems Under Tim Farron becaome the new Opposition and have a Resurgence because of Labour's infight and Possible splits in itself or would they have to wait till 2025 to over take Labour
Could Ukip become the Opposition after the General Election at the expense of the Labour Party infighting and splits and take one the tories over the likes of europe other Subjects
Could we another a New Party Emerge as a Main Opposition at the GE and after and have new & different appoach
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He can't evict the centre left MP's from Parliament. He could kick them out of the party but if he did that all those MP's will form a new party and (if he kicks enough of them out) they could become the official opposition party.
He should have them deselected and replaced.
Removes all the talent, and leaves people like Corbyn and Abbott on the front bench - who are clearly incapable of doing any ministerial job.
Removes 90% of the PLP.
Exposes the hard left - without anyone credible as cover.
Leaves anyone in Labour anyone has heard of saying don't vote for Labour under Corbyn. Burnham and Miliband both have publically rejected Corbyn' policies - as has anyone in post 1983 leadership roles. Deselected MPs will rightly attack their usurpers.
Makes even the dullest voter aware that Labour is split.
Reveals Corbyn as a dogmatic, intolerant hard left leader. Or a fool being usd by revolutionary marxists.
Produces a ticket of unsavoury leftwing types with simialr records to Corbyn.
Leaves Labour MPs with no option but to defect to the Liberals, or to establish a new party that points out the differences between itself and Militant Labour.
Ensures loss of Labours remaining financial backers to a new party, or moderate individuals - which leaves Labour bust - as the Conservatives make union political contributions more difficult.
Results in a split Labour vote and lost marginals.
Results in an increased UKIP vote, and more Conservative wins in marginals.
Results in a further swing to the Conservatives.
Probably sees some sitting Labour MPs win.
May win some Labour gains from the Liberal back.
Loses seats that depend on the MPs personal vote.
Makes it impossible forLabour MPs in key marginals threatened by Corbyn policies , to win by standing against him. Goodbye Barrow and every seat with a defence plant........
It it might create a humanitarian utopia in Britain, where we all hold hands and sign harvest of the world in unison
Yippee, I do like singing. Why did the Tories ban It?
Why? They were selected by the local party and voted in by the voters of their constituency. It is not the place of the Party hierarchy to over ride the voters in the constituencies.
He can try and get them deselected but they have the right to stay as MP’s until the next General Election.
Not that that's ever stopped them before......
As long as he doesn;t ban long made up lists some will be fine.
Meanwhile back on planet Earth Corbyn will finally put the Labour party out of its misery and kill it
Whoever wins the leadership election race, be it Corbyn or Burnham, it will be very interesting to see how, once the tensions have subsided, the labour party unravels itself further like it did after general election as the home truths start creeping out.
They've all been keeping schtumn on the ballot inconsistences for example and maintaining 'due dilligence' etc but lets face it it's been a farce and the truth of that will probably come out before long.
Had anyone said beforehand what a fiasco the election would be they would have locked away in a padded cell and the key thrown away , its been beyond anything even Monty Python could have imagined , I remember the farce of Michael Foot and his suicide manifesto and then the years of civil war in Labour , its just like a bad comedy repeat
That would be the worst thing he could do. I have voted for Corbyn and believe he will go down the route of previous labour leaders and have all sections of the party at the table and thrash out policies. I watched an interview with Tony Benn, Roy Hattersley and David Owen and they said it made it easier to get behind policies because everyone had their say they weren't always happy but knew they had argued their case. Blair stopped this and just handed policies to the cabinet done and dusted. An interesting point they raised was that as much as Blair was to blame the cabinet were also to blame for being so weak and just accepting this, they handed Blair all the power which he was always going to take. If Corbyn goes back to this and all sides are prepared to compromise then it could work. I hope they will.
Agree with that.
But then after 18 years, a Labour government was re-elected and it was pushing another 18 before we had a Conservative one.
I can see this is how British politics is going to be, going forward; one party in power for 15 years, until they tear themselves apart, then the next lot come in, another 15 years and the same happens to them, whilst the first party faffs about until they find someone electable.
Rinse and repeat.
I believe that over the course of the 'current cycle' the SNP will continually lose seats in subsequent elections back to Labour, and in 2025 we will be back to where we were in 1997.
But what do I know:D:D
I think you're probably right the SNP can't maintain its current levels in Westminster no party can hold onto virtually the whole country and either the Conservatives will do something the country doesn't like or Labour will fins someone who hits a chord with Middle England but it ain't gong to be Corbyn
Of course a lot depends on what happens to Labour over the next 12 months depending on who wins they may well implode
Foot was Labour leader at the 1983 election, and if you look here,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1983
you'll see the number of votes the Conservatives got was 700,000 less than at the previous election in 1979. The cause of the Conservative majority increasing was the ex-labour ministers forming the Social Democratic Party, which split the labour vote.
In May last Labour gained slightly from the Conservatives in England, winning two seats net. The Conservative increased their seats by 25 because the Liberals lost 39 seats in England and Wales, and they got most of them. So 2015 was a failure for Labour, in England, in that they didn't gain enough to win the election. But the Conservatives won because they defeated, not Labour, but the Liberals.
The outcome of an election is determined, overwhelmingly, by what people think of the government, there's not a lot an opposition party can do to influence it. In 2020 if most people think the government's done okay, the Conservatives will probably win. If their not popular Labour will probably win. Either way, whoever is Labour leader isn't likely to make much difference.
In communist countries, they would have called that a purge.
And the purged people would never be seen again.
"Although this term is mostly associated with Stalinism, the first major purge of the party ranks was performed by Bolsheviks as early as 1921. About 220,000 members were purged or left the party in 1921. The purge was justified by the necessity to get rid of the members who joined the party simply to be on the winning side. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purges_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union
Are there really that many people happy with the performance of the Tories over the last 2 elections? - or did Labours poor choice of Leader in 2010 & 2015 allow a mediocre Tory party to win both times?
Its never the fault of Labour that they lose but its always someone else isn't , I would suggest its the fault of the electorate for not wanting them because no matter how you try to deflect if people wanted them they would vote for them
Its also decided on if the electorate think the alternative is credible otherwise the Monster Raving Loony party would have been in power by now so the leader and the direction they want to take theparty does make a difference
The SNP are widely seen as the replacement to Labour and the LibDems in Scotland.
The Greens and UKIP have their own platforms, and lest we forget UKIP won the European elections last year. On second thoughts, now that Jeremy has caused our EU membership to cease by stealth, there may be no relevant place for UKIP after the referendum is lost.
There is also Plaid Cymru in Wales, and Leanne Wood is more charismatic and pragmatic than the final Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn
The only good thing about Jeremy Corbyn is that he provides an effective voice against austerity. Mind you, we already have the SNP for that.