I'm more concerned to read about a man being killed by a lynch mob due to religion than whether a certain word should be used or not, I also have sympathy for the guy and any relatives he may have.
It's a shame those being 'offended' here are showing none of either.
What CBT is.
I have very good knowledge on this field, so I'm not talking rubbish. I got a higher understanding of mental illness than joe_public. If I was someone that didn't,you would have a good argument.
What CBT is.
I have very good knowledge on this field, so I'm not talking rubbish. I got a higher understanding of mental illness than joe_public. If I was someone that didn't,you would have a good argument.
I really don't know what CBT has to do with this.
You did say that 'CBT is akin to this' but I can't see anything that says what 'this' is. CBT is akin to what?
You completely lost me with:
'yes I agree with that campaign. But no its not at parallel odds, as already proven'
and when I asked about 'proven' your response was 'what CBT is'.
It's good to hear that you got a higher understanding of mental illness but by clearly implying that having a religious belief is a mental illness you also show you lack understanding of the stigma around mental health.
As I've said, you seem to be very muddled.
As for the Time to Change campaign, I'm very aware of it.
I'm more concerned to read about a man being killed by a lynch mob due to religion than whether a certain word should be used or not, I also have sympathy for the guy and any relatives he may have.
It's a shame those being 'offended' here are showing none of either.
For a change I agree with (most of) this.
It's horrific what happened in India and I hope the people involved are brought to justice and punished.
I'm not looking for an argument, what I'm asking is if
I really don't know what CBT has to do with this.
You did say that 'CBT is akin to this' but I can't see anything that says what 'this' is. CBT is akin to what?
You completely lost me with:
'yes I agree with that campaign. But no its not at parallel odds, as already proven'
and when I asked about 'proven' your response was 'what CBT is'.
It's good to hear that you got a higher understanding of mental illness but by clearly implying that having a religious belief is a mental illness you also show you lack understanding of the stigma around mental health.
As I've said, you seem to be very muddled.
As for the Time to Change campaign, I'm very aware of it.
CBT as you should know is Cognitive behavioural therapy. It's addressing incorrect thoughts which lead to various behaviours. For instance in this situation, this mob had a thought-> it resulted in their behaviour. So it is very much completely related to the mental health spectrum. To say otherwise is to have a rather fragmented understanding of this.
And you are perpetuating the stigma of mental illness by using these terms:
The NHS describes the symptoms of schizophrenia as follows:
Schizophrenia is a long-term mental health condition that causes a range of different psychological symptoms, including:
•hallucinations – hearing or seeing things that do not exist
•delusions – unusual beliefs not based on reality that often contradict the evidence
•muddled thoughts based on hallucinations or delusions
•changes in behaviour
Doctors often describe schizophrenia as a psychotic illness. This means sometimes a person may not be able to distinguish their own thoughts and ideas from reality.
CBT as you should know is Cognitive behavioural therapy. It's addressing incorrect thoughts which lead to various behaviours. For instance in this situation, this mob had a thought-> it resulted in their behaviour. So it is very much completely related to the mental health spectrum. To say otherwise is to have a rather fragmented understanding of this.
And you are perpetuating the stigma of mental illness by using these terms:
So - these murderers have a belief that dictated their actions.
Their belief led to their behaviour.
CBT is used as a treatment for some mental health problems by changing beliefs - although 'perception' is more accurate - to change behaviours.
Now put these two very different and fundamentally unrelated things together means that being religious is being mentally I'll. Is that what you're saying?
You still haven't answered the question about your parent. I understand you may not want to and that's fine but perhaps you could just say that.
speaking as someone else who has bipolar i`m not and it`s a dreadful comparison.
Person cites mental illness and religion to be completely different things because they have bipolar.
I come along- and say hang on, mental illness extends beyond bipolar. It's actually a very common thing. Depression, anxiety affects 1/10 in the population, probably a lot more than that,depending on the source of statistics used. And a big treatment for mental illness is CBT. CBT can be equally applied to religion.
When a person is acting in behaviours that are distinct from reality, this form of treatment is used.
For instance, an application of common CBT:
'There's a massive Storm outside'-> Thoughts/Beliefs->God is angry with me-> behaviour they will try cut down on their sins.
And yes I'm comfortable saying that when a parent of mine believed that blood transfusions were wrong, and that 62,000 people on Earth would be saved and noone else they were mentally ill.
And it would be good if you would take responsibility for your use of the term looney,
Person cites mental illness and religion to be completely different things because they have bipolar.
I come along- and say hang on, mental illness extends beyond bipolar. It's actually a very common thing. Depression, anxiety affects 1/10 in the population, probably a lot more than that,depending on the source of statistics used. And a big treatment for mental illness is CBT. CBT can be equally applied to religion.
When a person is acting in behaviours that are distinct from reality, this form of treatment is used.
For instance, an application of common CBT:
'There's a massive Storm outside'-> Thoughts/Beliefs->God is angry with me-> behaviour they will try cut down on their sins.
And yes I'm comfortable saying that when a parent of mine believed that blood transfusions were wrong, and that 62,000 people on Earth would be saved and noone else they were mentally ill.
And it would be good if you would take responsibility for your use of the term looney,
it would be even better if you show me where i have used it as it`s not a word i ever actually say.
the quote you selected was a direct response to the post i quoted, just so you`re absolutely clear on that.
What they did was wrong, full stop.
To suggest that there may have been some mitigating circumstance such as lack of control over their actions is to remove some of the culpability.
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This is more to do with your misconception from society of mental illness is. Most people who are mentally ill are not 'insane' or a 'loony'.
And it has to be done several times a day while facing in the direction of a computer screen. Reminds me of something...
No it's not - I simply asked you if your parent was mad, insane, mentally ill, a loony?
Proven by you?
Where?
It's a shame those being 'offended' here are showing none of either.
What CBT is.
I have very good knowledge on this field, so I'm not talking rubbish. I got a higher understanding of mental illness than joe_public. If I was someone that didn't,you would have a good argument.
You might be on to something there
I'm not looking for an argument, what I'm asking is if
I really don't know what CBT has to do with this.
You did say that 'CBT is akin to this' but I can't see anything that says what 'this' is. CBT is akin to what?
You completely lost me with:
'yes I agree with that campaign. But no its not at parallel odds, as already proven'
and when I asked about 'proven' your response was 'what CBT is'.
It's good to hear that you got a higher understanding of mental illness but by clearly implying that having a religious belief is a mental illness you also show you lack understanding of the stigma around mental health.
As I've said, you seem to be very muddled.
As for the Time to Change campaign, I'm very aware of it.
For a change I agree with (most of) this.
It's horrific what happened in India and I hope the people involved are brought to justice and punished.
CBT as you should know is Cognitive behavioural therapy. It's addressing incorrect thoughts which lead to various behaviours. For instance in this situation, this mob had a thought-> it resulted in their behaviour. So it is very much completely related to the mental health spectrum. To say otherwise is to have a rather fragmented understanding of this.
And you are perpetuating the stigma of mental illness by using these terms:
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Schizophrenia/Pages/Introduction.aspx
To be fair to the OP there are quite a few parallels there with the psychological symptoms typically exhibited by religious believers.
The fact that religious beliefs tend to be shared by millions of others shouldn't make them any less delusional IMO.
So - these murderers have a belief that dictated their actions.
Their belief led to their behaviour.
CBT is used as a treatment for some mental health problems by changing beliefs - although 'perception' is more accurate - to change behaviours.
Now put these two very different and fundamentally unrelated things together means that being religious is being mentally I'll. Is that what you're saying?
You still haven't answered the question about your parent. I understand you may not want to and that's fine but perhaps you could just say that.
Person cites mental illness and religion to be completely different things because they have bipolar.
I come along- and say hang on, mental illness extends beyond bipolar. It's actually a very common thing. Depression, anxiety affects 1/10 in the population, probably a lot more than that,depending on the source of statistics used. And a big treatment for mental illness is CBT. CBT can be equally applied to religion.
When a person is acting in behaviours that are distinct from reality, this form of treatment is used.
For instance, an application of common CBT:
'There's a massive Storm outside'-> Thoughts/Beliefs->God is angry with me-> behaviour they will try cut down on their sins.
And yes I'm comfortable saying that when a parent of mine believed that blood transfusions were wrong, and that 62,000 people on Earth would be saved and noone else they were mentally ill.
And it would be good if you would take responsibility for your use of the term looney,
it would be even better if you show me where i have used it as it`s not a word i ever actually say.
the quote you selected was a direct response to the post i quoted, just so you`re absolutely clear on that.
Sorry Scottie used the term.
Research suggests otherwise....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255894/Spiritual-people-likely-mentally-ill-think-life-meaning.html
To suggest that there may have been some mitigating circumstance such as lack of control over their actions is to remove some of the culpability.