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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Why, what's it got to say?

    Not sure yet, Item is on later, but they said people have had problems and they are costing them more.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Apparently 1 in 10 meters don't work. But of course the Smart Meter Rep says 99% of customers are happy. rolleyes
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    Nigel GoodwinNigel Goodwin Posts: 58,524
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    Not sure yet, Item is on later, but they said people have had problems and they are costing them more.

    Why would they cost more? - you don't pay for the meter, you pay for the gas and electricity used - they don't charge you more for having a smart meter.
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    davelovesleedsdavelovesleeds Posts: 22,636
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    Watchdog is doing an item about Smart Meters on the show now. Looks like it was good that I didn't have mine installed.

    Wasn't aware of this being on. I always used to watch Watchdog. I'll have to catch up with it later.
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    Mr DosMr Dos Posts: 3,637
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    The word 'hacked' is misused in a similar fashion to the word 'photoshop' - by people who wouldn't recognise either if it slapped them in the face.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Wasn't aware of this being on. I always used to watch Watchdog. I'll have to catch up with it later.

    The good news is that Sophie Raworth has replaced Annie. :)
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    davelovesleedsdavelovesleeds Posts: 22,636
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    The good news is that Sophie Raworth has replaced Annie. :)

    Even more of a reason to watch it. :) I can still remember when she was on our local BBC news Look North, when I really enjoyed watching her, so we saw her before the rest of the nation. Cheers, I'll be watching every week from now on.
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    daveyfsdaveyfs Posts: 1,470
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    It is not compulsory to accept a smart meter, as British Gas says here.
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    ianradioianianradioian Posts: 74,938
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    I'll keep my normal Meter that's been here since the 1970s. Works fine,they read it, bill me, I pay it..... so new!
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    AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,366
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    I'll keep my normal Meter that's been here since the 1970s. Works fine,they read it, bill me, I pay it..... so new!
    If it's been there that long it may now be inaccurate. You could be being overcharged.
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    Nigel GoodwinNigel Goodwin Posts: 58,524
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    Andrue wrote: »
    If it's been there that long it may now be inaccurate. You could be being overcharged.

    Or undercharged :D
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    njpnjp Posts: 27,583
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    I'll keep my normal Meter that's been here since the 1970s. Works fine,they read it, bill me, I pay it..... so new!
    Seems unlikely. I think the maximum certification life for any UK electricity meter is 20 years.
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    Nigel GoodwinNigel Goodwin Posts: 58,524
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    njp wrote: »
    Seems unlikely. I think the maximum certification life for any UK electricity meter is 20 years.

    What about gas meters? - mines pre-metric - they have continually failed to manage to replace it due to their total incompetence.

    My electric meter has been changed twice now though.
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    jackthomjackthom Posts: 6,638
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    The good news is that Sophie Raworth has replaced Annie. :)

    Now there's a big incentive to start watching it again. Annie was very good in her day but we all have to face retirement sooner or later.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Mr Dos wrote: »
    The word 'hacked' is misused in a similar fashion to the word 'photoshop' - by people who wouldn't recognise either if it slapped them in the face.

    Luckily this chappie does-

    https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/JSAC-draft.pdf

    One of the issues with 'smart' meter security is interests aren't aligned, ie energy companies idea of security is different to consumers. Hence why you won't see any compensation when it all goes titsup.
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    Mr DosMr Dos Posts: 3,637
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    The word 'hacking' has lost all meaning due to misuse -

    The phone hacking scandal involved no hacking at all - merely trying the default pin to access voicemail.

    Click bait articles such as 'peel an orange in 2 secs with this simple hack', 'beat the 5p plastic bag surcharge with this simple hack' etc.

    Accessing a neighbour's unsecured wifi is considered 'hacking'.

    Hacking nowadays just means doing something . . .
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    Bill ClintonBill Clinton Posts: 9,389
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    What if you've got a key meter?
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    njpnjp Posts: 27,583
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    What about gas meters? - mines pre-metric - they have continually failed to manage to replace it due to their total incompetence.

    My electric meter has been changed twice now though.
    This is interesting. It turns out (*) that gas meters do not have a certified life. Instead, around 5% of the stock are subject to "policy exchanges" each year. That's about a million meters. So it seems that you could continue to "evade" a meter exchange indefinitely, but on average you would expect your gas meter to be replaced every 20 years.

    Electricity meters can have a certified life as short as ten years.

    (*) According to the one source I checked, which I haven't tried to verify against other sources, but which looks credible.
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    Javier_deVivreJavier_deVivre Posts: 1,390
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    What if you've got a key meter?

    Smart Meters can be used on pre-pay. I have them, although it is not a key meter anymore because it uses a card now, same as the gas, rather than a key.
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    gulliverfoylegulliverfoyle Posts: 6,318
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    Im putting them off as long as poss

    they are a bunch of clowns

    they changed my mechanical meter after 40 yrs of service and completerly ballsed my billing up

    as they couldnt update there database despite me telling them for 6 mnths and giving them the number 35 times

    when i spoke to the head engineer he said theyre not allowed to do it themselves and it was a common problem

    took a ofgem complaint for them to type in a 9 digit number into there billing computer
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Im putting them off as long as poss

    they are a bunch of clowns

    they changed my mechanical meter after 40 yrs of service and completerly ballsed my billing up

    as they couldnt update there database despite me telling them for 6 mnths and giving them the number 35 times

    when i spoke to the head engineer he said theyre not allowed to do it themselves and it was a common problem

    took a ofgem complaint for them to type in a 9 digit number into there billing computer

    You'd think they be ashamed of the 'Computer says 'No'' excuse.
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    GroutyGrouty Posts: 34,039
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    Just had mine fitted (SSE), its great seeing the wattage go up/down when you turn things on/off, im only using 4/5p an hr :D
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    GPWGPW Posts: 3,386
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    Had mine fitted on Friday (both electric & gas) as I already paid monthly, I will keep a close eye the readings.
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    ProjectionistProjectionist Posts: 1,040
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    Im putting them off as long as poss

    they are a bunch of clowns

    they changed my mechanical meter after 40 yrs of service and completerly ballsed my billing up

    as they couldnt update there database despite me telling them for 6 mnths and giving them the number 35 times

    when i spoke to the head engineer he said theyre not allowed to do it themselves and it was a common problem

    took a ofgem complaint for them to type in a 9 digit number into there billing computer

    I'm waiting for a financial bribe to change the meter - until they do that - the old meters stay put.
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    Isambard BrunelIsambard Brunel Posts: 6,598
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    Grouty wrote: »
    its great seeing the wattage go up/down when you turn things on/off

    Like when you got your first washing machine and abandoned television in favour of crouching in front of the drum and watching it go around and around all night.... for the first two weeks before the novelty wore off.
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