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Old 19-12-2016, 21:25
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Bit silly really that this is the case. Mike (and Sarah) would have benefited from repeat fees.
I think it's hard for a dead man to spend repeat fees.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:26
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I think it's hard for a dead man to spend repeat fees.
Mike Smith was still alive when TOTP was started to be repeated by BBC Four. Surely he would have seen at the time that he would of benefited from an odd appearance fee for the shows he presented at some point in the future. Not sounding funny but Mike Smith's and Sarah Greene's broadcasting careers were hardly spectacular after the early 90's, rarely being seen on TV.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:31
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Mike Smith was still alive when TOTP was started to be repeated by BBC Four. Surely he would have seen at the time that he would of benefited from an odd appearance fee for the shows he presented at some point in the future. Not sounding funny but Mike Smith's and Sarah Greene's broadcasting careers were hardly spectacular after the early 90's, rarely being seen on TV.
He left nearly 1.2 million in his will, so I think he could manage without the repeat fees.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:52
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He left nearly 1.2 million in his will, so I think he could manage without the repeat fees.
From everything I've seen (see the TOTP 82 thread), this isn't about money - it's about both him and Sarah Greene feeling bitter towards the BBC, presumably because their work opportunities started dwindling as the 90s wore on. Greene has even been suggesting that people watch Smith-hosted episodes online - i.e. via Youtube/Vimeo/whatever which the BBC doesn't approve of and tries to remove. So I'm afraid we're caught up in a bit of a turf war between two sides who I'm guessing won't back down.

So Greene may get her wish, in that respect - maybe she could start posting links to episodes?!?
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:00
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Of course, one of the first things we will get in 1983 is Kajagoogoo, which brings to mind another great "Roundtable" moment - anyone else remember this?

Limahl is a guest, and Richard Skinner seems to be having trouble saying "Limahl". He asks him - "I read somewhere that your name is Chris - is it OK if I just call you Chris?". To which the reply is: "No, it's Limahl". The air goes out of the studio.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:14
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It looks like the first weekly one will be on Friday 13th (Thursday 12th is showing as The Sky at Night), this should be the edition from exactly 34 years previously.

Top of the Pops 1983.
January 13th, 2017 at 7:30pm BBC 4

John Peel and David Jensen present the weekly look at the pop charts, first broadcast on 13th January 1983
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:18
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Top of the Pops 1983.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:30pm BBC 4

Top of the Pops 1983.
January 20th, 2017 at 7:30pm BBC 4
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:28
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Of course, one of the first things we will get in 1983 is Kajagoogoo, which brings to mind another great "Roundtable" moment - anyone else remember this?

Limahl is a guest, and Richard Skinner seems to be having trouble saying "Limahl". He asks him - "I read somewhere that your name is Chris - is it OK if I just call you Chris?". To which the reply is: "No, it's Limahl". The air goes out of the studio.
Never really liked Too Shy and didn't think it deserved to be a No.1.
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:33
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Never really liked Too Shy and didn't think it deserved to be a No.1.
Actually, I've just remembered that it didn't end there. Having refused to let Skinner call him Chris, Limahl started taking him to task on the pronunciation of the band name: "It's Ka-zha-goo-goo, not cadge-a-goo-goo"!
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Old 28-12-2016, 21:46
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Actually, I've just remembered that it didn't end there. Having refused to let Skinner call him Chris, Limahl started taking him to task on the pronunciation of the band name: "It's Ka-zha-goo-goo, not cadge-a-goo-goo"!
I heard more & more households are having to cadge more goo-goo's since the advent of the Financial Crisis, getting themselves further into the goo-goo doo-doo by turning to Goo-sharks in order to give their kids a decent Christmas.

These poor people are having their middles squeezed 'til their intestines burst, revealing goo-goo, doo-doo & everything in-between, and I find the situation repellant (particularly the smell).

It's a national disgrace.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:07
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Never really liked Too Shy and didn't think it deserved to be a No.1.
I like Too Shy up to a point, but would definitely have preferred Sign of the Times by the Belle Stars to have been number one instead.
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:05
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Actually, I've just remembered that it didn't end there. Having refused to let Skinner call him Chris, Limahl started taking him to task on the pronunciation of the band name: "It's Ka-zha-goo-goo, not cadge-a-goo-goo"!
Sounds like a right knob!
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:34
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With only seven days until 1983 starts here's my predictions of songs to be shown on Big Hits

Wham - Either Wham Rap,Bad Boys or Club Tropicana
The Police - Every Breath You Take
Culture Club - Karma Chalemon
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Dear Pruduence
Duran Duran - Is There Something I Should Know
Bananarama- Cruel Summer
UB40 - Red Red Wine
The Beat - Can't Get To Losing You
Elton John - Either Passengers,I Kissed The Bride or I'm Still Standing
Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
Paul Young - Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home)
Malcom McLaren - Double Dutch
New Order - Blue Monday
Belle Stars - The Sign Of The Times
Heaven 17 - Temptation
Spandau Ballet - True
The Cure - Lovecats
Howard Jones - New Song
The Smiths - This Charming Man
The Style Council - Long Hot Summer
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:34
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With only seven days until 1983 starts here's my predictions of songs to be shown on Big Hits

Wham - Either Wham Rap,Bad Boys or Club Tropicana
The Police - Every Breath You Take
Culture Club - Karma Chalemon
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Dear Pruduence
Duran Duran - Is There Something I Should Know
Bananarama- Cruel Summer
UB40 - Red Red Wine
The Beat - Can't Get To Losing You
Elton John - Either Passengers,I Kissed The Bride or I'm Still Standing
Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
Paul Young - Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home)
Malcom McLaren - Double Dutch
New Order - Blue Monday
Belle Stars - The Sign Of The Times
Heaven 17 - Temptation
Spandau Ballet - True
The Cure - Lovecats
Howard Jones - New Song
The Smiths - This Charming Man
The Style Council - Long Hot Summer
I reckon you're spot on with most of these Alex, however on the basis they're Yewtreed or Smithed (are we adopting this as the official term?) hopefully they can fit in The Story of the Blues, Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) and Oblivious. I'd also like to see (Keep Feeling) Fascination and They Don't Know as we'll only get the videos on BBC4. Alternatively they could just show Tracie singing Give It Some Emotion (won't be on BBC4 either ) for an hour and I'll be in pop heaven
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:18
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A pity New Order didn't do a video for Blue Monday in 1983 which means the only version on Top of the Pops was the mediocre live version they did in the studio in March. (They did do a video for the shortened 1988 version).

I always thought it was the band members who insisted on singing and playing live in the TOTP studio, but apparently it was their manager who advised them to do it. The band members weren't actually bothered about miming.
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:32
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A pity New Order didn't do a video for Blue Monday in 1983 which means the only version on Top of the Pops was the mediocre live version they did in the studio in March. (They did do a video for the shortened 1988 version).

I always thought it was the band members who insisted on singing and playing live in the TOTP studio, but apparently it was their manager who advised them to do it. The band members weren't actually bothered about miming.
They did do a video for Blue Monday in 1983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftJZomwDhxQ
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:34
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The recent Glasto was the first time I've seen New Order acquit themselves well live. A notoriously awful live band up until recently.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:19
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The recent Glasto was the first time I've seen New Order acquit themselves well live. A notoriously awful live band up until recently.
Oh no Straker, you should check out their June 1987 Glastonbury gig released on CD, it is brilliant.

Setlist:
Touched By The Hand Of God
Temptation
True Faith
Your Silent Face
Every Second Counts
Bizarre Love Triangle
Perfect Kiss
Age Of Consent
Sister Ray
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:27
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They probably didn't produce this video until after the song had been a hit in the UK. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would have been shown on Top of the Pops given that the song was in the charts for most of 1983.
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:17
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A small tribute to TOTP's first and best ever female presenter - Janice Long - whom we will first be seeing on the January 20th 1983, with Gary Davies.

Janice on the "Yewtree'd" 30 December '82 edition

With Pat Sharpe 10th February '83

With Mike Read - July 28th 1983

With Simon Bates 20 December '84

With John Peel 11th July 1985 (features soft rock version of Phil Lynott's Yellow Pearl)

With Simon Mayo - 7 July '88
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:34
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From everything I've seen (see the TOTP 82 thread), this isn't about money - it's about both him and Sarah Greene feeling bitter towards the BBC, presumably because their work opportunities started dwindling as the 90s wore on. Greene has even been suggesting that people watch Smith-hosted episodes online - i.e. via Youtube/Vimeo/whatever which the BBC doesn't approve of and tries to remove. So I'm afraid we're caught up in a bit of a turf war between two sides who I'm guessing won't back down.

So Greene may get her wish, in that respect - maybe she could start posting links to episodes?!?
Sarah probably holds all of Mike's TOTP editions on tape anyway. Presenters were allowed to request a copy of the shows they starred in. Think this is known as "Contributor Access".

Savile only appeared in five 1983 TOTP's, DLT in seven and Mike Smith six.

It is somewhat unfortunate (for us) that Mike Smith appeared in TOTP until 1988, so we will be missing a fair few editions post 1984 after DLT and Savile disappeared from the show.

For example Mike Smith appeared in two January 1987 editions that we won't be seeing.

Sarah Greene should get her head out of her backside and let the BBC repeat the Mike Smith editions. Thus allowing us, the fans, to see him in his days on TOTP and for her to receive a small income from the repeats.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:14
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Sarah Greene should get her head out of her backside and let the BBC repeat the Mike Smith editions. Thus allowing us, the fans, to see him in his days on TOTP and for her to receive a small income from the repeats.

look Ive never agreed with the approach the Beeb have taken to excising parts of TOTP from recorded history, but ultimately Mike Smith was perfectly entitled to withold his permission for his repeats, and Sarah is perfectly entitled to maintain her husbands wishes, you dont stay married for 25 years together by just saying well lets forget about all that to get a bit of money.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:31
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Sarah Greene should get her head out of her backside and let the BBC repeat the Mike Smith editions. Thus allowing us, the fans, to see him in his days on TOTP and for her to receive a small income from the repeats.
I wouldn't be rude about Sarah Greene, it's hardly going to convince her to change her mind.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:04
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Oh for a time machine to take me back to 1983
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:57
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look Ive never agreed with the approach the Beeb have taken to excising parts of TOTP from recorded history, but ultimately Mike Smith was perfectly entitled to withold his permission for his repeats, and Sarah is perfectly entitled to maintain her husbands wishes, you dont stay married for 25 years together by just saying well lets forget about all that to get a bit of money.
Usually I would agree with you, but the problem is that the presenter on Top of the Pops is only on screen for about 2 or 3 minutes in each show of 35 minutes or whatever it is that week. So we're going to miss about 30 minutes of performances because of those 2 or 3 minutes which seems a bit unreasonable.
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