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How mean in Moira on ED
I'm just catching up with last nights emmerdale, I'm no huge fan of Andy's but I think it was really mean of her demote him cos he's been late for a few days, he's only had the kids a week or so, surely there would be an adjustment period, he kept the business going when Holly was on drugs and they all took time off, when John died if it wasn't for Andy there wouldn't be a business, then Moira had her miscarriage I'm sure she took time off then, her son recently quit & was involved in a hit & run while drunk, yet he's a golden boy now 2 weeks later.
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Then again, maybe it's Karma,
Andy is treating debbie terribly, suddenly taking a huge moral high ground about the kids etc.... when a few years ago he was beating his wife senseless!!
I've already said this on other threads, but I don't completely agree.
Andy regularly takes time off at short notice because Debbie has dumped him with the kids. Moira lost a lot of money by not being able to get her livestock to market - what if her other alternative was to lay someone off? Moira has a livestock, who have to be tended and fed at regular hours, not when it suits Andy. He lurches from one disaster into another - hooking up with Kerry, then taking in Katie, which was bound to annoy his landlord. Moira is also getting the Debbie situation on two fronts - she's seeing what Cain has gone through in recent months and she's also seeing it affect her business. Yes, it's unfair to favour Adam, who has let her down recently, but at least she isn't sacking Andy.
TBH I don't think Moira grieving for her recently deceased husband can be compared to Andy and Debbie's situation, and as for the miscarriage - she took 'time off' to go to the hospital during a medical emergency. She was back at work the next day!
But that's the problem - she is more or less running it without him at the moment, and he hasn't been reliable for months, not just the last week or so. He's always having to take time off at short notice because Debbie has dumped the kids, and she's mentioned before that she wasn't happy about it. it's no good him knowing how to do the job if he's not there when it has to be done.
Andy and the whole family gave debbie a hard time for leaving the kids to work ...one week later Diane has had to take the kids on holiday so Andy can work .
I think the writers have forgotten that Debbie is a single mother with two kids , one only a baby who works full time to support her children .
Andy has had them a few nights a week , he leaves them with Kerry when he wants too .
Well now Moira is showing Andy how hard it is when you are a full time parent and full time worker .....
Why should Moira's buisness suffer .....
People say Andy kept the farm going when Moira could not work .....yes and he was paid for it because it is his job ...what pays his bills and keep's food on the table ....that is the real world .
Moira is trying to keep her far going and pay and keep staff in a job , she lost a lot of money because of Andy .
Plus Andy is a wife beating little arrogant boring prick and i am glad he is getting a hard time ...long may it continue .
I didn't think it had even been hinted at before last night but then it's typical of the type of person is Moira now that she waits until things are at there most difficult for Andy before she opens her gob.
Moira demoting Andy because he took time off to see his daughter in a school play is the final nail in the coffin of who Moira once was. Ma Barton is gone forever.
No, there's been a few scenes, where she's mentioned or implied that she wasn't happy about him taking time off. She just hasn't made it official, which is effectively what she did last night. There have certainly been hints over the past few months that she wasn't happy about it. Taking time off at the last minute to see Sarah in the school play was completely out of order, especially when he's already let her down. Yes, it would have been nice for him to be there to support sarah, but the bottom line was, he couldn't be there. I think it was the straw that broke the camel's back for Moira, and she is quite a tough person and wouldn't take that. But then, I've never seen Moira as this wonderful, kindly earth mother type - to me she's always been a relatively decent person but one who put her own family and her own interests first. That's intensified over the past year or so when she's had so much to cope with. It doesn't mean that she's not essentially still a kind person, she's just not going to put at risk the farm when she's had to struggle so hard to keep it going. It's not the type of job where you can set your own timetable, or work flexi time. When Andy's needed on the farm, he's needed on the farm. If he was working for a large company he would only be allowed to take that time off as annual leave which would have to be arranged in advance, or if he agreed to make up the hours elsewhere (something Moira's already pointed out isn't practical). Yes, her timing is bad, but she's had enough and she needs to make alternative arrangements.
Oh yep, thicker than pea soup he is, he'll set if he's not careful:o:D
Debbie was palming them off on anybody without notice. She wasn't working most of the time, she was prostituting herself to start of drug and booze empire. Going to the casino is not working. Going to the pub to give Chas the evils is not working.
Moira is becoming more and more unlikable. She used to have a heart but not anymore. Andy should look for another job. He's always been there when the Bartons needed him and that's how they repay him. John would never have done that to Andy.
Oh please.
Andy knew about the play for how long? And didn't let Moira know. He had plenty of time to book time off and didn't. Moira lost money as a result. No sane employer lets sentimentality get in the way when an employee is losing them money. He's lucky he still has a job at all.
Let's not act as if this is the first time Andy has let her down. The idea that Moira is an evil cow for wanting to keep her business afloat and provide for her family is absolutely ridiculous.
This.
Andy needs to remember that farming is all he's ever done. If he loses his job he will be screwed finding a new one.
no, but when John was struggling and overworked because he was short staffed and paying out wages to staff who took a lot of time of, who would have borne the brunt of it?
Andy could have given Moira some notice, so that she could arrange cover for him.
the problem is he's unreliable and has been for several months, not just in recent days. How many times has he said 'It won't happen again'when Debbie's dumped the kids on him at the last minute and he's had to take time off? Cain even warned Debbie a few months ago that Andy could lose his job over it. Perhaps if andy had stood up to Debbie earlier and not mucked Moira about for so long, she would be more understanding now. And as she says, he is lurching from one crisis to another - why is he giving Katie shelter and antagonising his landlord when he has the kids to consider?If he needs time to sort out his problems, why can't he be honest with Moira, book a few days of annual leave (allowing her time to organise cover, so she knows that the animals are being tended to if she has to go to market) instead of simply arriving late, looking sheepish and saying sorry?
Although I think Moira should give him a bit more time in the current circumstances, I can see why she's lost patience with him as well. Added to that, she must be sick of the whole Debbie situation, and has already said that she thinks Andy over reacted in taking the kids. I don't agree with her on that point, but she's bound to be seeing this as a mess Andy made for himself, by taking his kids when (as she sees it) there was no reason.
If he had pulled Moira aside and said look i am sorry but things are tricky with debbie and i need some time off ...could you get some relief staff in while i sort out other arrangments ...but no he just didnt show up , ring and then lied .
And how sick is the childminder anyway .
Looks like it is all sorted by next Monday anyways with debbie but i dont know will Andy get his position back or will Moira regret allowing Adam responsibility .
Well Moira has had her fair share of crisis too. Andy should remember it next time Adam quits or if the farm doesn't make enough money to pay the wages or if she feels like spending a few weeks in bed crying instead of working.
Yes and neither would the old Moira. They took Andy under their wing for the moment they arrived and stood by him. That connection was there right up to when John died - that lovely scene between Andy & Moira after John died...
We're now expected to believe that Moira thinks so little of Andy that she's not even willing to even try and work round his family situation.
you mean when her husband died? The very event that she's always being accused of not grieving enough for? I think she was entitled to a short period of lying bed crying at that point, don't you?
She has chosen a bad time. But this is not a new situation, Andy has been messing her about for months because of Debbie dumping the kids on him. Moira sorts her crises. Andy doesn't, he just always apologises - he'll still be not turning up anywhere near on time, and taking time off at short notice in two-three months' time. She hasn't sacked him, she's given him a warning and demoted him. Personally I think the demotion was extreme and she should have formally warned him first, so at least he knew what she was thinking and had some chance to sort himself out. She has been hinting at it for quite some time, before this latest set of crises and he didn't take the hint. As I keep saying, she has her other employees to think about, her family, and obviously she needs to see that the animals are being cared for and she's meeting deadlines for her orders. Andy rarely even gives her a day's notice when he needs time off.
It#s horrible that she's done it now, but really how long could he continue antagonising his landlord, ticking off his boss, not asking anyone for help except Diane, having a friend stay over in his house, falling out with his kids' mother, when he is now the carer for two young kids, one of whom is very ill? Moira's right, he needs to see sense - he lumbers into crisis after crisis.
What he should have done was politely ask Moira for time off, explaining that he needs to sort out tenancy issues as well as the Debbie situation. Arrange mutually convenient times, when she could get her other staff to take on some of his simpler jobs. He also needs to get the support of every single member of his family and friends and the Dingles so that he has a group of people that he can call on in an emergency for the next few weeks until things settle down.
Even if he worked for a big employer, they only show so much leniency in how much time they let people take off to deal with personal situations before you have to arrange if formally as annual leave, unpaid leave or time off in lieu and it has to be arranged to suit the employee and their manager.
i love moiras character shes a great character.
most adults foreseeing child care problems would go to their boss, talk it out, find out whats acceptable and what isnt, andys just as bad as debbie in the parenting stakes and yes hes taken the piss......
you get a job you do it, your obligated to times and hours - your jobs not there to hold you and suit all your problems - something many fail to understand