Former Archbishop George Carey changes his mind on assisted dying
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689295/Carey-Ive-changed-mind-right-die-On-eve-Lords-debate-ex-Archbishop-dramatically-backs-assisted-death-law.html
Could this shift move the house of lords towards allowing reform to pass on this sensitive issue?
Could this shift move the house of lords towards allowing reform to pass on this sensitive issue?
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Its because of that position,undeserved as it is that in relation to this it does matter.
Needless suffering is exactly what it it is. Lord Carey is correct, the myth of "the pain can be managed" is a wretched lie.
Edit: I'd bet a large chunk of money that if any of the cardinals at the Vatican were experiencing what people who want to die because of the pain they go through, or the fact that they're a vegetable, they'd sharp change their minds on this.
The motive offered is if a medic is killing someone "out of love".
Remind anyone of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4
Along with vilifying the poor and weak - we now have a fascist government - everything they're doing is straight out of the Nazi playbook.
If assisted suicide were legal I hope there'd be some sort of safeguards to prevent people being "suicided" against their will by unscrupulous relatives.
I don't think its Christian to sit back and see a loved one go through needless suffering. What sort of monster would think that?:o
A proper debate would be welcome but unfortunately its too much of a political hot potato to allow the MPs to have a proper debate.
Euthanasia and assisted suicide occurs up and down the country day in and day out, but rather than being open and up for scrutiny, its done behind closed doors with nods and winks between the person dying. the health care professional and the family. We need to PROTECT people and the only way to do that is to have a formal legal procedure.
Well no its not
And yes he is a Christian who doesn't want to see a few suffering because we treat animals better than humans. These people who are REALLY in constant pain, but being forced to endure it for as long as possible are really in desperate need for a change in the law.
Anyway, having some sort of mechanism to allow people the choice to end their life in situations of constant agony is only sensible.
There's a difference between assisted suicide and the murder that we see being reported about on the news, and that difference is that the person's giving their complete permission for their loved one to kill them/release them from their suffering/miserable existence of a life. It's very easy for the top ones in the Church to be against this, but I bet they wouldn't be against this if they were in that very position. They make me sick!
I'm sorry, but the taking of a life in my opinion is murder-no matter if the person losing his/her life agrees to it. To make this legal is a big mistake.
Nice of you to mention me-though you forgot to say that as well as my Christian views I was also anti EU.
Lol. So is someone who commits suicide considered a murderer in your eyes?
I have never given that much thought, but I suppose it is the taking of a life, so must be murder.
Lunacy.
Does this only apply to human lives?
Well, in that case, it's an acceptable form of murder in my eyes, and should receive no punishment. If I get to a point where I am in unbearable pain, and I want someone to kill me to stop my abject misery, I don't want people to be delaying that action because they are worried about legal consequences.
But do medical advances not prolong life beyond what is natural? It could be considered just as wrong to prolong suffering for the sake of 'medical' intervention and not in the interests of the needs of the patient.
Sometimes, we have accept the inevitable, we all die eventually. We could withdraw all medication for a long lasting, painful end or let somebody go peacefully and with dignity.
So that makes the Christian god the greatest murderer of them all?
There was an interesting debate about reform of the NHS on R4 earlier this week. One surprising statistic that came out of it was that in recent years in the US, considerably more than 50% of the entire health industry spend was on the palliative care and attempts to extend life in the last 3 months of patient's lives. So, having spent a lot of money on health research and treatments to increase life-expectancy, we are now spending even more on the pointless, final push for a bit more, irrespective of how pain-free or meaningful the patient's life has become
And yet the slightest suggestion of letting medicine actually bring someone's life to a pain-free conclusion, or just letting nature take its course, is derided as fanciful or even amoral. Lawsuits even arise of out perceived failures to keep loved ones going just that little bit longer!
I swear, we are screwing ourselves over as a society.
It's as if there's one set of rules for him and another set of rules for everyone else! >:(
Well, I'm sorry, I'm an egalitarian, and believe God/Yahweh/Allah/Buddah or any of these other self-proclaimed deities should get exactly the same treatment as the rest of us.
It's cruel to both the patients and their families.
I used to work with the terminally ill and it was heartbreaking to see people go on longer than they had the strength, will or energy to do. They had accepted that they were dying, and towards the end many neither know not care anyway. Death was a relief in most cases, for the loved ones too. There is no doubt that there is a line crossed often over when extending life goes too far.
If allowing someone to die is wrong, then surely so is extending life far beyond what is natural.
Murder is to rob someone if a life. When there is no life to speak of and death is inevitable and close, it's a very different subject.