I could see Torres being a makeweight in the Diego Costa deal provided Atletico can pay his wages. Even if they can't, Chelsea might want Costa bad enough to pay part of the wages of Torres at Atletico. That often happens if a club want to move on a player who is on wages that no other club will match.
Having first option doesn't mean that Arsenal can veto any transfer bid they get and offer a fiver.
even if there was a set buy back price of say £25 million exclusively for arsenal, it is still not really enforceable because barca have to agree to the transfer. they can simply tell fabregas they won't sell if he intends to go back to arsenal. as it is i doubt there is a set buy back amount anyway, most likely if united have a £40 million bid accepted barca have to give arsenal the opportunity to match the bid and then it is up to the player, so basically not much different to any other transfer when more then one club wants a player.
even if there was a set buy back price of say £25 million exclusively for arsenal, it is still not really enforceable because barca have to agree to the transfer.
If it forms part of the agreement that took Fabregas to Barcelona they've already waived the choice. They'd either have to keep him on or Arsenal not take up the option, but it'd mean they can't sell him without Arsenal having the option to exercise this clause (if it exists)
Not many rumours for us ATM with the final coming up but it looks like were in for a Paul Pogba who would be a great buy, looks a really talented player.
And James McCarthy apparently? don't understand this as I doubt he'd make our Castilla team.
If it forms part of the agreement that took Fabregas to Barcelona they've already waived the choice. They'd either have to keep him on or Arsenal not take up the option, but it'd mean they can't sell him without Arsenal having the option to exercise this clause (if it exists)
there is no point in arsenal exercising the clause if fabregas doesn't want to return to arsenal and wants to move elsewhere instead, your talking like fabregas doesn't have any choice in the matter, arsenal cannot stop fabregas from joining united or any other club that he wants to join. in any case i don't believe for one second there is a set agreed buy back price, first option simply means arsenal have to be given the opportunity to match the accepted bid of another club, fabregas will still have contract terms on the table from two different teams and he can agree to accept either one of them.
As I said, they waived the right to make that choice provided this clause exists. The choice would be down to Fabregas in this case.
If he was determined to go to a team who have an agreed first refusal, they could hold him to his contract but they couldn't force him to go anywhere else instead.
As I said, they waived the right to make that choice provided this clause exists. The choice would be down to Fabregas in this case.
If he was determined to go to a team who have an agreed first refusal, they could hold him to his contract but they couldn't force him to go anywhere else instead.
of course, if fabregas is determined to go to a particular team and barcelona are willing to sell to them then a deal will be done, that is the case with any transfer tho.
Again, it doesn't matter how willing they are if that part has already been agreed. Otherwise what's the point of such deals existing?
If a first refusal option set at £25m is in place, a club can't suddenly say 'we've changed our mind'. It'd need the other club's agreement or for the player to exhaust the option. The selling club has already signed away their part of it.
Again, it doesn't matter how willing they are if that part has already been agreed. Otherwise what's the point of such deals existing?
If a first refusal option set at £25m is in place, a club can't suddenly say 'we've changed our mind'. It'd need the other club's agreement or for the player to exhaust the option. The selling club has already signed away their part of it.
what your describing is not a first refusal option, that is a buy back option...
They're essentially the same thing. If Barcelona are selling him, Arsenal have an agreed price already set. Fabregas can say no, Barcelona can just keep him, Arsenal can waive the right to sign, but Barcelona can't control much beyond that.
They're essentially the same thing. If Barcelona are selling him, Arsenal have an agreed price already set. Fabregas can say no, Barcelona can just keep him, Arsenal can waive the right to sign, but Barcelona can't control much beyond that.
there not the same thing, first refusal means if barcelona are going to accept a bid from another club then they have to give arsenal the opportunity to match the value of that bid and negotiate terms with the player before agreeing to sell to another club. a buy back option involves a set price previously agreed...
The 27-year-old midfielder is open to making a return to the Premier League and his relationship with Wenger together with a buy-back clause means the door is open for the Gunners....
...The Spanish giants have to inform them if they receive a bid, and the Londoners then get first refusal.
If they do not take up their option and he moves to another club, the Gunners receive a share of the profits.
Fabregas is tied with Barca until 2016, but his contract is suggested to have a "buy-back" and a "right of first refusal" clause that Arsenal may utilise in their favour.
Arsene Wenger made sure to include a first option to buy Fabregas back if Barcelona ever decided to sell. So just like last summer, when David Moyes was trying to sign him, the Gunners would have first refusal and a cheaper price.
Etc.
Whether the clause is actually there is obviously one thing (that Sky Sports guy who does all the Spanish football calls it bull), but all the reports mark them as practically synonyms. Arsenal would hold the trump card if it comes to it, as they should when they negotiated the original move.
The David Luiz deal is bonkers. Chelsea should bite PSG's hand off and run off with the money before they change their mind. No defender is worth £50m and certainly not Luiz. He's worth £25m max.
Chelsea will spend the money on Costa and possibly Mangala from Porto too.
The David Luiz deal is bonkers. Chelsea should bite PSG's hand off and run off with the money before they change their mind. No defender is worth £50m and certainly not Luiz. He's worth £25m max.
Chelsea will spend the money on Costa and possibly Mangala from Porto too.
It hardly took a genius to see David Luiz couldn't defend. Chelsea just get back the £50 million they wasted on Torres.
You will find many posts on this forum from me who thought Luiz was a future chelsea captain. He certainly seemed to love playing for the club and had a never say die spirit.
We all knew he could not be trusted at CB, even with John Terry talking him through the game. So many chelsea fans wanted to push him forward into DM, where he could make those surging runs but not leave the team hopelessly outgunned at the back. He had some great games there last season.
Will he ever come back from those two games at PSG? At least he will be away from the UK media.
Arsenal are close to signing both Khedira and Debuchy. Rumoured fees are £23m and £11m respectively. Seems like good business on top of the incredible signing of Sánchez from Barcelona.
Arsenal are close to signing both Khedira and Debuchy. Rumoured fees are £23m and £11m respectively. Seems like good business on top of the incredible signing of Sánchez from Barcelona.
Khedira has only 1 year left on his contract, real have really dropped the ball on contracts.
Its a shame he is going to arsenal as he is exactly that they need. I wish he was coming to the bridge.
Loots like he will join arsenal today.
Another Real player with less than a year left is Benzema!
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even if there was a set buy back price of say £25 million exclusively for arsenal, it is still not really enforceable because barca have to agree to the transfer. they can simply tell fabregas they won't sell if he intends to go back to arsenal. as it is i doubt there is a set buy back amount anyway, most likely if united have a £40 million bid accepted barca have to give arsenal the opportunity to match the bid and then it is up to the player, so basically not much different to any other transfer when more then one club wants a player.
If it forms part of the agreement that took Fabregas to Barcelona they've already waived the choice. They'd either have to keep him on or Arsenal not take up the option, but it'd mean they can't sell him without Arsenal having the option to exercise this clause (if it exists)
And James McCarthy apparently? don't understand this as I doubt he'd make our Castilla team.
there is no point in arsenal exercising the clause if fabregas doesn't want to return to arsenal and wants to move elsewhere instead, your talking like fabregas doesn't have any choice in the matter, arsenal cannot stop fabregas from joining united or any other club that he wants to join. in any case i don't believe for one second there is a set agreed buy back price, first option simply means arsenal have to be given the opportunity to match the accepted bid of another club, fabregas will still have contract terms on the table from two different teams and he can agree to accept either one of them.
if they don't want to sell him to arsenal they won't...
If he was determined to go to a team who have an agreed first refusal, they could hold him to his contract but they couldn't force him to go anywhere else instead.
of course, if fabregas is determined to go to a particular team and barcelona are willing to sell to them then a deal will be done, that is the case with any transfer tho.
If a first refusal option set at £25m is in place, a club can't suddenly say 'we've changed our mind'. It'd need the other club's agreement or for the player to exhaust the option. The selling club has already signed away their part of it.
what your describing is not a first refusal option, that is a buy back option...
there not the same thing, first refusal means if barcelona are going to accept a bid from another club then they have to give arsenal the opportunity to match the value of that bid and negotiate terms with the player before agreeing to sell to another club. a buy back option involves a set price previously agreed...
Etc.
Whether the clause is actually there is obviously one thing (that Sky Sports guy who does all the Spanish football calls it bull), but all the reports mark them as practically synonyms. Arsenal would hold the trump card if it comes to it, as they should when they negotiated the original move.
Chelsea will spend the money on Costa and possibly Mangala from Porto too.
Looks like you called it right!
£50m suddenly seems double the proper price
You will find many posts on this forum from me who thought Luiz was a future chelsea captain. He certainly seemed to love playing for the club and had a never say die spirit.
We all knew he could not be trusted at CB, even with John Terry talking him through the game. So many chelsea fans wanted to push him forward into DM, where he could make those surging runs but not leave the team hopelessly outgunned at the back. He had some great games there last season.
Will he ever come back from those two games at PSG? At least he will be away from the UK media.
Khedira has only 1 year left on his contract, real have really dropped the ball on contracts.
Its a shame he is going to arsenal as he is exactly that they need. I wish he was coming to the bridge.
Loots like he will join arsenal today.
Another Real player with less than a year left is Benzema!
This must mean we are keeping lukaku