Jumping on the 'Faux Grief' Bandwagon.

hmeisterhmeister Posts: 2,371
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Why to people feel the need to express their false grief these days whenever someone dies? Most of the time they barely know them or don't even know them at all.

Last week a man from my Village died a few days before his 40th. He wasn't a nice man but for some reason my Facebook was full of 'RIP ____ you were a great lad' and 'Can't believe the news I've just heard, you were an amazing person'.

Then you get people acting all hysterical when a celebrity dies and taking to social media to express their shock even though the celebrity was a train wreck or when someone like Justin Bieber has a headache you see #PrayForJustin trending for 2 weeks.

I find it all very uncomfortable. When somebody I know dies I don't think they'd want me to go on social media to scream about it so other people can pretend to to be sad.
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  • CravenHavenCravenHaven Posts: 13,953
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    No, Wotsisname was really great. I'll miss him.
    Or her.
  • IzzySIzzyS Posts: 11,045
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    I presume its polite. How do you know that the messages of grief are somehow false?. If I heard that someone local had died and they had a social network account, I might post a message to send my condolensces to the family, out of a mark of respect I suppose.
  • JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    It's always been somewhat of a bugbear of mine that some people seem to want to take it upon themselves to be some kind of arbiter on who can or can't express grief and how and where they express it.

    I've seen many cases over the years of people trolling Facebook condolence pages as some kind of half-arsed "protest" at "grief porn" or whichever catchphrase they're using that week.

    if people want to express sadness that another human being has passed away, let them!. Nobody should assume any kind of dominion over what people can say and about who.
  • IzzySIzzyS Posts: 11,045
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    It's always been somewhat of a bugbear of mine that some people seem to want to take it upon themselves to be some kind of arbiter on who can or can't express grief and how and where they express it.

    I've seen many cases over the years of people trolling Facebook condolence pages as some kind of half-arsed "protest" at "grief porn" or whichever catchphrase they're using that week.

    if people want to express sadness that another human being has passed away, let them!. Nobody should assume any kind of dominion over what people can say and about who.

    I agree.
  • AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,363
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    Yeah, you often see it on crime documentaries when talking about the victim. 'He didn't have an enemy in the world' 'Everyone loved him'.

    Just once it would be nice to hear: 'He shouldn't have been killed, but frankly he was an asshole who got on everyone's tits' :)
  • hmeisterhmeister Posts: 2,371
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    It's always been somewhat of a bugbear of mine that some people seem to want to take it upon themselves to be some kind of arbiter on who can or can't express grief and how and where they express it.

    I've seen many cases over the years of people trolling Facebook condolence pages as some kind of half-arsed "protest" at "grief porn" or whichever catchphrase they're using that week.

    if people want to express sadness that another human being has passed away, let them!. Nobody should assume any kind of dominion over what people can say and about who.

    I just find it annoying that people seem to get off on displaying grief for the sake of it when it's obvious they're just jumping on the bandwagon so they can join in with other people.

    I know I'm coming across as heartless and insensitive but I would only grieve for people who are close to me. Not someone I've only met few times at the pub.
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    How do you know that they are just "jumping on the bandwagon"? How do you know that they are not expressing genuine sorrow at someone's loss?
  • JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    hmeister wrote: »
    I just find it annoying that people seem to get off on displaying grief for the sake of it when it's obvious they're just jumping on the bandwagon so they can join in with other people.

    I know I'm coming across as heartless and insensitive but I would only grieve for people who are close to me. Not someone I've only met few times at the pub.

    As the post above me says, how do you know they're jumping on the bandwagon ?.

    Expressing sadness at someone's passing isn't, IMO, grieving for them. It's exactly what it says on the tin - simply expressing sadness. Grieving for someone is a whole different kettle of fish and, again IMO, most likely would be for someone you are close to.
  • AOTBAOTB Posts: 9,708
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    How do you know that they are just "jumping on the bandwagon"? How do you know that they are not expressing genuine sorrow at someone's loss?

    I'd say like many things, in some cases it's fairly easy to spot.
    How can you tell some people are baiting on the internet? How can you tell someone is being a troll if they don't come directly out and say 'I'm a troll'?

    Same principle applies.

    I take the point from those asking- 'who are we to be the arbiters of who can grieve and to what extent' etc but it's pretty clear that some people DO jump on various bandwagons and this is no exception IMO,
  • Jim_McIntoshJim_McIntosh Posts: 5,866
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    It's difficult to judge another person's sincerity in these matters. It's probably best just to assume people are honest with their emotions and that some people are more emotional and affected by seemingly far away events than others.

    The only time I ever felt like this was when my grandfather died. When he was ill it was just immediate family that visited him and yet when he died it emerged that he was somewhat of a local figure. I met people at his funeral that I'd never seen before or since. At the time there was a little bit of me thinking "and where were you last month if you thought he was so wonderful" - especially when one red-haired guy started giving a theatrical speech in my grandfather's house pre-funeral about how great he was - but I later understood that in my grief I was thinking very badly of these people. Not that I said anything at the time but I remember talking about it with my Mum later and remarking on all these people I didn't know at his funeral. I was still a kid though really and I needed somewhere to direct my own hurt.

    What I'm saying is that when it comes to grief I think it's best not to judge another person's against your own. These times are difficult for everyone and people express themselves differently. Some people crawl into a corner and hide and others build the Taj Mahal.
  • BunionsBunions Posts: 15,016
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    It's always been somewhat of a bugbear of mine that some people seem to want to take it upon themselves to be some kind of arbiter on who can or can't express grief and how and where they express it.

    I've seen many cases over the years of people trolling Facebook condolence pages as some kind of half-arsed "protest" at "grief porn" or whichever catchphrase they're using that week.

    if people want to express sadness that another human being has passed away, let them!. Nobody should assume any kind of dominion over what people can say and about who.
    Wot he said ^^^

    IDGAF how or when other people wish to express their grief/non-grief, whatever.

    It's up to them and as long as they're not harming anyone else then I have no issue.

    FB settings are easily changed.
  • CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    I thought that when Princess Diana died the hundreds of thousands of people who put flowers outside Kensington Palace and other places and continue to do so years after her death, donated the money spent on flowers to the charities that were so close to Diana's heart where at least it would do some good rather than put money in the hands of florists. Cut flowers die in a couple of days and finish up on a skip, money donated to the many charities Diana supported is lasting
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2196255/Princess-Dianas-death-marked-15-years-floral-tributes-pour-Kensington-Palace.html
  • CravenHavenCravenHaven Posts: 13,953
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    Caxton wrote: »
    Cut flowers die in a couple of days and finish up on a skip, money donated to the many charities Diana supported is lasting
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2196255/Princess-Dianas-death-marked-15-years-floral-tributes-pour-Kensington-Palace.html
    And a slippery fountain will last for evah. Unless ppl fall down on it and sue, of course.
  • Keyser_Soze1Keyser_Soze1 Posts: 25,182
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    Caxton wrote: »
    I thought that when Princess Diana died the hundreds of thousands of people who put flowers outside Kensington Palace and other places and continue to do so years after her death, donated the money spent on flowers to the charities that were so close to Diana's heart where at least it would do some good rather than put money in the hands of florists. Cut flowers die in a couple of days and finish up on a skip, money donated to the many charities Diana supported is lasting
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2196255/Princess-Dianas-death-marked-15-years-floral-tributes-pour-Kensington-Palace.html

    I was totally cringing at all the mass hysteria in this country when Diana died.

    God knows what the rest of the world thought. :(

    It was like the founding of a new religion - grown men blubbing in the street over someone they had never met - more so than if their own mother or wife had died.

    How embarrassing.

    I wonder what they were like at the funerals of their actual relatives? :confused:
  • CentaurionCentaurion Posts: 2,060
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    These people would never go up to a relative of the deceased and express their feelings, attend the funeral or send a card but will post something trite and hollow online


    They hide behind the anonymity of Social Media ,if the sentiment is heartfelt it seems a harmless thing to do.
  • confuddledconfuddled Posts: 3,758
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    I was totally cringing at all the mass hysteria in this country when Diana died.

    God knows what the rest of the world thought. :(

    It was like the founding of a new religion - grown men blubbing in the street over someone they had never met - more so than if their own mother or wife had died.

    How embarrassing.

    I wonder what they were like at the funerals of their actual relatives? :confused:

    This little island embarrassed me after her death.
    It was like we had seen the end of the second coming or some such, I also found the applause totally out of place and cringeworthy... Ditto elt john and his rehashed little song that millions bought by the bucket load.
  • IzzySIzzyS Posts: 11,045
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    I suppose, if I think about it, I feel bad about how I react when relatives have died (so far anyway) as I tend to be more the opposite way. I'm definitely sad when grandparents etc. die but im not very good at showing my emotion or grief, so I might have seemed apathetic but it wasn't really the case, I just feel a bit distant, I suppose. I am sad when someone I knew and cared for dies though, of course, without a doubt. Different people react to such news or events in different ways, for different reasons maybe.
  • Vicky.Vicky. Posts: 5,948
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    Its amazing how people turn into saints after they die. Never a bad word and mountains of praise said despite them being utter arseholes when alive.
  • cavallicavalli Posts: 18,738
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    Vicky. wrote: »
    Its amazing how people turn into saints after they die. Never a bad word and mountains of praise said despite them being utter arseholes when alive.

    Ain't that the truth.
  • Janet PlankJanet Plank Posts: 10,248
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    Faux grief, what a good expression. When a young person dies, possible in a motor accident; gangs of young people arrive at the scene, with bunches of flowers bought from the petrol station, and stand around hugging each other and ringing home on their mobies. You see the same behaviour when school exam results come out, but for a different reason. I find this mass hysteria very disturbing.
  • KJ44KJ44 Posts: 38,093
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    "He loved his car"

    The scrote probably enjoyed revving the b-st-ard thing at 2 in the morning and pissing off hundreds of people. That doesn't deserve the death sentence, we've all been daft, but ... who sets the scene for tragedy?
  • Keyser_Soze1Keyser_Soze1 Posts: 25,182
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    Faux grief, what a good expression. When a young person dies, possible in a motor accident; gangs of young people arrive at the scene, with bunches of flowers bought from the petrol station, and stand around hugging each other and ringing home on their mobies. You see the same behaviour when school exam results come out, but for a different reason. I find this mass hysteria very disturbing.[/QUOTE]

    I don't find it disturbing, I find it pathetic.

    I have been to several funerals and not once did I see anything like the scenes we are now subjected to regularly in the media.

    Some people have no concept of dignity.
  • RadiomaniacRadiomaniac Posts: 43,510
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    How do you, or anyone else, know whether it's false or not?

    I see nothing wrong with it.
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    Vicky. wrote: »
    Its amazing how people turn into saints after they die. Never a bad word and mountains of praise said despite them being utter arseholes when alive.
    Probably because in most cases its not appropriate to criticize people who have just died.

    I appreciate that the xfactor generation may be puzzled by such a concept.
  • neelianeelia Posts: 24,186
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    hmeister wrote: »
    Why to people feel the need to express their false grief these days whenever someone dies? Most of the time they barely know them or don't even know them at all.

    Last week a man from my Village died a few days before his 40th. He wasn't a nice man but for some reason my Facebook was full of 'RIP ____ you were a great lad' and 'Can't believe the news I've just heard, you were an amazing person'.

    Then you get people acting all hysterical when a celebrity dies and taking to social media to express their shock even though the celebrity was a train wreck or when someone like Justin Bieber has a headache you see #PrayForJustin trending for 2 weeks.

    I find it all very uncomfortable. When somebody I know dies I don't think they'd want me to go on social media to scream about it so other people can pretend to to be sad.
    I don't suppose they would but why presume that it is pretence with other people?
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