Better Skaters Get Better Choreography - Unfair?
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Does anyone think it's unfair that the celebrities who perform the best get the better choreography? The reason I'm asking this is because on Strictly, each performance is more or less of the same difficulty, (but obviously they each differ in how well they're performed to).
Whereas with DOI, T&D seem to give the best routines to the celebrities who are doing the best in the show.
Personally, I don't think this is fair. Whilst I'm not denying that Hayley wasn't fantastic tonight because she clearly was, it's just I found the routine so much more professional than the others, who just seemed to skate round the ice and then perform a new lift on each turn. I noticed it with Ray last year. He always had the better routines because he was the best. But with Strictly, it feels like each couple's routines more or less have the same level of difficulty.
Whereas with DOI, T&D seem to give the best routines to the celebrities who are doing the best in the show.
Personally, I don't think this is fair. Whilst I'm not denying that Hayley wasn't fantastic tonight because she clearly was, it's just I found the routine so much more professional than the others, who just seemed to skate round the ice and then perform a new lift on each turn. I noticed it with Ray last year. He always had the better routines because he was the best. But with Strictly, it feels like each couple's routines more or less have the same level of difficulty.
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I don't think any of the other girls this series could have done the routine Hayley did.
Could you really imagine Daniella or Emily or Heather Mills attempting a routine like Hayley's tonight ?!? She could handle it...so she got it.
Meanwhile, most of the male celebs get slated for not trying hard enough, not turning their feet in or out etc. etc. but they skate by themselves and it must be much harder for them than the female celebs.
In any case, better choreography doesn't have to involve harder skating, and there are celebs who could handle much better routines than they been getting.
I think Daniella, for example, has been getting poor routines for weeks now (also ones that don't develop or show her skating very well), and I think that's killed her chances in this series.
I don't think the choreographers are doing a very good job for some of the celebs.
I could see Daniella doing Hayley's choreography pretty well and then just hanging onto her partner until her next part of the routine
Okay, fair enough. Insert the word "often" before "looks more impressive" in my OP
Its not true on Strictly either. Some people on Strictly will have pros who get it wrong and some who are better than others . The pros can tailor more to their celebs ability but its not a level playing field then either. Ola overachieves with weak dancers and just won with a mediocre one. Other people might have done better with a different pro last year.
There's only so many really good routines on DOI - which is either just a fact in the same way there are few great stories or films or actors and inevitable - or its a problem. I agree Daniella and Emily's routines look like a lack of imagination was at work. Theragain though I got the impression last year that Roxanne was trying the wrong things, Melinda wasn't being developed enough and Ray was crying out for a top routine he never got.
Hayley's routine couldn't be done by anyone else and it had some of Suzanne's big lifts that got her a 6 too plus the multiple spin which probably gets you to a 6 anyway - but it looked even better because it had a clear theme and someone who knew their stuff choregraphing the detail. I don't think Daniella can get to 30, but i wonder if she could have got into the 20s if they had hired the choregrapher from Grease for a day? Its difficult to tell though, as, if you made most of them pay more attention to the detail, it would be too much on top of learning the basics, doing the element and not falling over.
Actually I think Emily would have. She had started to skate a lot on her own. I say this and I am not a fan of hers. Infact if she was still around, she would be ahead of the others. Daniella just peaked too early.
It was really noticeable last night that Daniella's routine was highly lift based with very little independent skating. It's a shame because she can and has (even in week 1!) skated confidently and strongly on her own. Whilst I don't really support the "get 'er out 'cos she isn't doing the tour!" conspiracy theories - it was pretty obvious that what she was asked to do last night wasn't a fair representation of her full range of abilities.
Given the huge fuss made over Sharrongate where she dared to question the choreography given, I'm sure that none of the celebs will now DARE to go against T&D, even though I'm sure they must have noticed that Hayley in particular DOES get routines which show her off.
I'm not sure that Daniella would have pulled off Jai Ho with such flair and panache as Hayley did, but I think she was capable of most of it had she been given the chance at such a stunning routine.
Daniella had a great routine lst night. She just did not do it justice. She has just not lived up to her early promise and most of the others have caught up and even overtaken her
It was Clear last night that Hayley & Kierron were the best & Mickey the worst. There was not a lot in it between the others
Just what I wanted to say. But I also think that the Hayley knockers are having a hard time since last night's performance and are clutching at straws to find something to have a go at!
Big fan of this theory. Danniella's routine had bog-all solo skating in it and nothing like the dance steps she's previously had to work with. Hayley's routine was in large part all about the complex dance steps - if you'd taken those out then I don't think the skating that remained was massively difficult.
That said, Danniella didn't do a particularly special job with what she was given last night - Mikey had limited content and managed to give what I thought was a more emotive performance.
Danniella admitted she'd had a rough week and wasn't feeling herself, and from the sound of the judges' comments, they've got it down as a confidence issue as well.
A great 'storytelling' routine by T&D would definitely boost her chances of staying in, so let's see if they can give her one next week - if not, the conspiracy theory gathers weight for me
As I said above - the celebs and their partners are at the mercy of the choreography given to them by T&D. Having seen what happened to Sharron and Pavel a couple of weeks ago - I'd be surprised if any of them DARED to question the choreo or make changes.
Daniella's routine last night consisted of lift after lift after lift with precious little skating until she did her spin at the very end. The whole thing was deathly boring to watch, and didn't allow her to show off her acting and skating skills (and she CAN actually skate very well on her own when allowed to!).
She and Matthew did not choreograph their routine - T&D allegedly did all of it - so they must take the blame for a boring and bland routine instead of the blistering one it could have been - but not necessarily to summer nights.....
Hayley's routine on the other hand was absolutely brilliant. Great choice of music, lots of action, lots of dance moves (especially the arms and head) and that routine stood out above all others. Poor Danniella's was just Meh! in comparison.
It would be interesting to see Danniella and Hayley dance each other's routine from last night. I don't think Hayley could have done much more than Danniella did with the Grease routine.
That said - I do agree that Hayley and Kieron were the best last night - and Mikey the worst. I didn't get all the Danny love from the panel at all.
Have to concur with everyone that Hayley and Kieron were the best tonight by some margin (I think even the judges realised that Kieron was better than Danny in truth, given Jason and Robin's comments at the end). They also had the best routines, but that's because they're the ones capable of pulling them off. Had Hayley's routine been given to any of the other girls, it would have been a disaster. Likewise with Kieron's had it been given to any of the other boys. They've both got the skills and personality to pull off the most interesting routines.
Will all due respect, but Daniella clearly has very limited skating ability, and the choreographers are just trying their best with what they have to work with. Daniella doesn't skate on her own AT ALL...and last night, she did a wee solo spin that she was pushed into....so start blaming Daniella and not the choreographers - it's not their fault she can't skate.