Windows 8 and it's supporters are as we have seen are just full for arrogance and can't get their little brains around why seasoned computer users are not wetting their pants about the latest trendy little Fisher Price titles and can run their lives without and app to do it for them.
Nobody wants to see "seasoned computer users" wetting their pants, but it would be quite nice if they stopped stamping their little feet.
I think part of the problem is that people are too lazy or just don't want to learn a new UI.
That's none of the problem. People are entitled to expect some continuity in the main user interface of a major and long standing O/S or program - or at the very least, the option of continuity, built into the software itself. What matters is what people like - what the market likes if you like. It doesn't matter one jot if changes are "better" or "more efficient" or "more compatible" because if enough of your existing market are annoyed by the changes, however brilliant they may in theory be, and whatever the reasons for it are, you risk ending up on the slippery slope to oblivion.
The developers are the ones who need to adapt and learn new ways, as soon as they sense significant customer dissatisfaction - even if they have to go back to how things were before. Of course, in such cases the obvious thing to do is to provide the old method as an option and review the situation a couple of years down the road, but not to do even that is lazyness, arrogance, call it what you will, but they risk getting onto that slippery slope. There are many such examples in technological history - and many other examples of consumer-aware corporates reversing a new and unpopular policy in order successfully to survive.
I dread to think what these people do when computer systems change in the workplace. An employer would not take kindly to that sort of lack of adaptability. Technology is constantly changing, if some don't like the direction Microsoft is taking, there are alternatives.
Who cares about 'employers'? The private PC owner IS the employer and they will do what an employer would do if he or she doesn't like what a supplier has done to its product: look for better alternatives, and some will find them.
Memo to Microsoft: Piss off and continue to piss off a large chunk of your existing user base at your peril.
How does going to Apple help, they have never had the Start Menu
Good luck with Apps also, Apple forces you to use the store more than MS does
Best move I ever made in moving over to Mac. I still use Windows at work and run one as a VM on the Mac, but OS X is a joy to use. You have an apps and files/folders option on the Dock plus Finder which is in place of a start menu - it works well.
I'm confused by the sheer hatred some people have for the tiles menu. In the 8.1 update, from the Start screen you can press the down arrow and you have a list of all your apps. That essentially is the old Start menu. Can't figure out why everyone hates it so much.
Yes as bloomin thumbnails/tiles, not in a nicely laid out tree/menu. I also find using corners whether it be mouse or touchpad to be very hit and miss.
You're acting as if Microsoft has reverted back to a command line interface or something. Windows 8 is not hard to learn. Things are done differently but it is not hard. In 8.1, you don't have to use the start menu or Modern apps if you don't want to. The OS is not forcing you to do so.
Using Windows 7 is the solution for those that aren't capable of/willing to gain a grasp on the Windows 8 interface.
I could use W8 whilst standing on one leg whistling Dixey should I wish to do so. Your arrogance completely misses the point. The vast majority can use W8 but many of them dislike it and don't want to use it in it's current form.
I think part of the problem is that people are too lazy or just don't want to learn a new UI. Windows 8 is actually faster than Windows 7 in some respects, and it certainly is better for managing multiple applications.
I dread to think what these people do when computer systems change in the workplace. An employer would not take kindly to that sort of lack of adaptability. Technology is constantly changing, if some don't like the direction Microsoft is taking, there are alternatives.
That sums up how I feel too Zack, I looked upon W8 as a new and refreshing version of Windows and have had no problems either on my Surface Pro or a PC using a mouse. I honestly don't miss the start button at all. If you look on these DS threads you'll see the same old detractors of W8 posting all they time, they are a lost cause and like to moan and whine I think lol.
I'm overseas and have not updated to 8.1 on my W7 Vaio yet but my lad at home has updated one of the W8 PC's and is happy enough. I'll give my view on the update when I get home in a few weeks.
Best move I ever made in moving over to Mac. I still use Windows at work and run one as a VM on the Mac, but OS X is a joy to use. You have an apps and files/folders option on the Dock plus Finder which is in place of a start menu - it works well.
That's how I felt using Tiger through Snow Leopard
Then for me it started going downhill, I enjoy using Windows more now than OS X (I still use OS X but my machine is mainly a media server now)
I just got windows 8 after being with windows 7 for so long, I was worried I would break something working perfectly, my only problem is I can't switch off the password when windows starts up it's like it doesn't recognize the change, any ideas?
I just got windows 8 after being with windows 7 for so long, I was worried I would break something working perfectly, my only problem is I can't switch off the password when windows starts up it's like it doesn't recognize the change, any ideas?
Apart from that I'm happy seems a lot smoother.
type netplwiz into the run box. Hit enter and the use account box should appear. Uncheck users must enter user name and password to use this computer.
If that's the bit that doesn't work just change your passwords but leave the new password box blank. (I think that worked for me under W7).
I just got windows 8 after being with windows 7 for so long, I was worried I would break something working perfectly, my only problem is I can't switch off the password when windows starts up it's like it doesn't recognize the change, any ideas?
Apart from that I'm happy seems a lot smoother.
Try running netplwiz.exe. The easiest way to get to launch the command in windows 8 is to hit the windows key, type "netplwiz" and hit enter. Untick the "Users must enter a username and password to use this computer" box and click apply. A popup will appear where you and put in the username and password you want to automatically sign in with.
Try running netplwiz.exe. The easiest way to get to launch the command in windows 8 is to hit the windows key, type "netplwiz" and hit enter. Untick the "Users must enter a username and password to use this computer" box and click apply. A popup will appear where you and put in the username and password you want to automatically sign in with.
Thanks I had the wrong username when I tried this last night which lead me to ask, all sorted now
That sums up how I feel too Zack, I looked upon W8 as a new and refreshing version of Windows and have had no problems either on my Surface Pro or a PC using a mouse. I honestly don't miss the start button at all. If you look on these DS threads you'll see the same old detractors of W8 posting all they time, they are a lost cause and like to moan and whine I think lol.
I'm overseas and have not updated to 8.1 on my W7 Vaio yet but my lad at home has updated one of the W8 PC's and is happy enough. I'll give my view on the update when I get home in a few weeks.
Yes, saw a lot of the same comments when Vista was released and we all know where that ended up. The large OEM's have put more pressure on MS than anyone to change things. HP have just released a Chromebook for Google whilst the likes of Dell and Samsung are shunning Windows tablets. So many lost causes eh? :rolleyes:
These complaints are getting so tedious now. Microsoft is supporting Windows 7 until 2020, so if these posters are finding learning a new UI that difficult, go and buy Windows 7.
Yeah but it's hard to get Windows 7 unless you buy online or from an independent computer store. The average person is no longer able to walk into a computer store and buy it. A lot of non-techies wouldn't know where to look. The shops want to sell you Windows 8. I had to buy the copy of W7 for my Mac from my local Apple reseller!
Why does iTunes now give me a Playskool interface that was designed for tablets and not give me an option to revert to the better looking (IMO) desktop version in iTunes 10
I haven't installed iTunes 11 and I won't be either. I'm happy with iTunes 10 and it works.
Windows 8 and it's supporters are as we have seen are just full for arrogance and can't get their little brains around why seasoned computer users are not wetting their pants about the latest trendy little Fisher Price titles and can run their lives without and app to do it for them.
I agree. I'm 23 and have been using computers nearly all my life. I learned about computers on a late 1980s MS-DOS laptop and have used many versions of Windows going back to 3.1. I'm certainly no dimbo-dumbo when it comes to computing and there's no way I'd use a dumbed down interface that looks like an interactive Plasyskool game for adults. I need to do serious work on my computers as well as surf the 'net and play games and I need a proper desktop OS that lets me multitask and get on with my work. Mac OS X is that OS.
I can remember the same complaints when XP was released. It was called a pile of crap with a fisher price interface.
I was one of those people who complained about XP The good thing about it was that it gave you the option to use the Windows 98 Start menu and even strip back the interface to make it look more like Windows 98/2000. I ran XP with the Classic theme on my old laptop before I moved to Mac.
Best move I ever made in moving over to Mac. I still use Windows at work and run one as a VM on the Mac, but OS X is a joy to use. You have an apps and files/folders option on the Dock plus Finder which is in place of a start menu - it works well.
Mac OS X is bliss I use Windows 7 for games (dual boot) but OSX for everything else.
Yes, saw a lot of the same comments when Vista was released and we all know where that ended up. The large OEM's have put more pressure on MS than anyone to change things. HP have just released a Chromebook for Google whilst the likes of Dell and Samsung are shunning Windows tablets. So many lost causes eh? :rolleyes:
If Dell are shunning Windows tablets why do they currently sell several models and are releasing a new 8 inch windows tablet later this month? Samsung also has a range of Windows 8 tablets and most of the major manufacturers like Acer, Lenovo and Sony have new 8 inch Windows tablets in the pipeline to go along side their current models.
If Dell are shunning Windows tablets why do they currently sell several models and are releasing a new 8 inch windows tablet later this month? Samsung also has a range of Windows 8 tablets and most of the major manufacturers like Acer, Lenovo and Sony have new 8 inch Windows tablets in the pipeline to go along side their current models.
I will grant you one crumb though - Internet Explorer is hugely improved and very fast. It's actually faster than Chrome.
They are shunning Windows RT not Windows 8. RT and 8 are two completely different operating systems and without support for legacy apps RT was never going to get a foothold in the PC market.
They are shunning Windows RT not Windows 8. RT and 8 are two completely different operating systems and without support for legacy apps RT was never going to get a foothold in the PC market.
I think RT will be due for the tech scrapheap in a year or so. I can't ever see it becoming a huge success. If it hasn't made an impact now it will never make an impact.
They are shunning Windows RT not Windows 8. RT and 8 are two completely different operating systems and without support for legacy apps RT was never going to get a foothold in the PC market.
Take away RT then why do we need Windows 8 in it's present form. Don't say for the very expensive and little sold W8 tab.
I'm confused by the sheer hatred some people have for the tiles menu. In the 8.1 update, from the Start screen you can press the down arrow and you have a list of all your apps. That essentially is the old Start menu. Can't figure out why everyone hates it so much.
You don't even have to do that, just right click on taskbar in desktop, go to properties then navigation, at the bottom tick list desktop apps first in the Apps view when it's sorted by category, then every time you hit the start button all your apps will be displayed on the desktop.
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I wasn't talking specifically about Windows 8, but just in general. The change between Windows 7 and Windows 8 is not that significant.
Nobody wants to see "seasoned computer users" wetting their pants, but it would be quite nice if they stopped stamping their little feet.
That's none of the problem. People are entitled to expect some continuity in the main user interface of a major and long standing O/S or program - or at the very least, the option of continuity, built into the software itself. What matters is what people like - what the market likes if you like. It doesn't matter one jot if changes are "better" or "more efficient" or "more compatible" because if enough of your existing market are annoyed by the changes, however brilliant they may in theory be, and whatever the reasons for it are, you risk ending up on the slippery slope to oblivion.
The developers are the ones who need to adapt and learn new ways, as soon as they sense significant customer dissatisfaction - even if they have to go back to how things were before. Of course, in such cases the obvious thing to do is to provide the old method as an option and review the situation a couple of years down the road, but not to do even that is lazyness, arrogance, call it what you will, but they risk getting onto that slippery slope. There are many such examples in technological history - and many other examples of consumer-aware corporates reversing a new and unpopular policy in order successfully to survive.
Who cares about 'employers'? The private PC owner IS the employer and they will do what an employer would do if he or she doesn't like what a supplier has done to its product: look for better alternatives, and some will find them.
Memo to Microsoft: Piss off and continue to piss off a large chunk of your existing user base at your peril.
Best move I ever made in moving over to Mac. I still use Windows at work and run one as a VM on the Mac, but OS X is a joy to use. You have an apps and files/folders option on the Dock plus Finder which is in place of a start menu - it works well.
Yes as bloomin thumbnails/tiles, not in a nicely laid out tree/menu. I also find using corners whether it be mouse or touchpad to be very hit and miss.
I could use W8 whilst standing on one leg whistling Dixey should I wish to do so. Your arrogance completely misses the point. The vast majority can use W8 but many of them dislike it and don't want to use it in it's current form.
- http://winsupersite.com/windows-rt/windows-rt-81-update-temporarily-unavailable
(This only affects Surface RT tablets and not PC's)
That sums up how I feel too Zack, I looked upon W8 as a new and refreshing version of Windows and have had no problems either on my Surface Pro or a PC using a mouse. I honestly don't miss the start button at all. If you look on these DS threads you'll see the same old detractors of W8 posting all they time, they are a lost cause and like to moan and whine I think lol.
I'm overseas and have not updated to 8.1 on my W7 Vaio yet but my lad at home has updated one of the W8 PC's and is happy enough. I'll give my view on the update when I get home in a few weeks.
That's how I felt using Tiger through Snow Leopard
Then for me it started going downhill, I enjoy using Windows more now than OS X (I still use OS X but my machine is mainly a media server now)
Apart from that I'm happy seems a lot smoother.
type netplwiz into the run box. Hit enter and the use account box should appear. Uncheck users must enter user name and password to use this computer.
If that's the bit that doesn't work just change your passwords but leave the new password box blank. (I think that worked for me under W7).
Try running netplwiz.exe. The easiest way to get to launch the command in windows 8 is to hit the windows key, type "netplwiz" and hit enter. Untick the "Users must enter a username and password to use this computer" box and click apply. A popup will appear where you and put in the username and password you want to automatically sign in with.
Thanks I had the wrong username when I tried this last night which lead me to ask, all sorted now
Yes, saw a lot of the same comments when Vista was released and we all know where that ended up. The large OEM's have put more pressure on MS than anyone to change things. HP have just released a Chromebook for Google whilst the likes of Dell and Samsung are shunning Windows tablets. So many lost causes eh? :rolleyes:
Yeah but it's hard to get Windows 7 unless you buy online or from an independent computer store. The average person is no longer able to walk into a computer store and buy it. A lot of non-techies wouldn't know where to look. The shops want to sell you Windows 8. I had to buy the copy of W7 for my Mac from my local Apple reseller!
I haven't installed iTunes 11 and I won't be either. I'm happy with iTunes 10 and it works.
I agree. I'm 23 and have been using computers nearly all my life. I learned about computers on a late 1980s MS-DOS laptop and have used many versions of Windows going back to 3.1. I'm certainly no dimbo-dumbo when it comes to computing and there's no way I'd use a dumbed down interface that looks like an interactive Plasyskool game for adults. I need to do serious work on my computers as well as surf the 'net and play games and I need a proper desktop OS that lets me multitask and get on with my work. Mac OS X is that OS.
I was one of those people who complained about XP The good thing about it was that it gave you the option to use the Windows 98 Start menu and even strip back the interface to make it look more like Windows 98/2000. I ran XP with the Classic theme on my old laptop before I moved to Mac.
Mac OS X is bliss I use Windows 7 for games (dual boot) but OSX for everything else.
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If Dell are shunning Windows tablets why do they currently sell several models and are releasing a new 8 inch windows tablet later this month? Samsung also has a range of Windows 8 tablets and most of the major manufacturers like Acer, Lenovo and Sony have new 8 inch Windows tablets in the pipeline to go along side their current models.
Or you could just read THIS
I will grant you one crumb though - Internet Explorer is hugely improved and very fast. It's actually faster than Chrome.
They are shunning Windows RT not Windows 8. RT and 8 are two completely different operating systems and without support for legacy apps RT was never going to get a foothold in the PC market.
I think RT will be due for the tech scrapheap in a year or so. I can't ever see it becoming a huge success. If it hasn't made an impact now it will never make an impact.
Take away RT then why do we need Windows 8 in it's present form. Don't say for the very expensive and little sold W8 tab.
I was just gonna write a post with a link to this too. Should sort out everyone's problems in this thread.
Personally I prefer the way it is in Windows 8.1 now.