Womens Lib

xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,870
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Has womens lib gone too far ? is womens lib and political correctness eroding the very foundations of family life and society?

The Victorian Era is now looked back upon with nostalgia.... with its great novelists and great painters, with its craftsmen and the great buildings that were erected back then
( the Houses of Parlement amongst them )

Compared with the greatness and elegance of the Victorian Era todays concrete cities and motorway world look crass and gross.

Back then women were the mothers and nurturers of society... they were busy in the home sewing, knitting, cooking and bringing up their brood of intelligent... well mannered children..... there was no political correctness, there was no womens lib.
In the end their society was far more stable and harmonious than the nightmare that we are living in today.
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  • ĐironaĐirona Posts: 15,881
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    stay under the covers timbo! it's safer
  • kimindexkimindex Posts: 68,247
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  • tongs ya basstongs ya bass Posts: 731
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    It is very easy to cherrypick good elements of the past and compare them with some bad bits of the present. unfortunately it is nothing more than a flight of fancy.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,970
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    Oh shut up!
  • adopteradopter Posts: 11,937
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Back then women were the mothers and nurturers of society... they were busy in the home sewing, knitting, cooking and bringing up their brood of intelligent... well mannered children..... there was no political correctness, there was no womens lib.
    In the end their society was far more stable and harmonious than the nightmare that we are living in today.

    Rubbish.

    Women that weren't from the very upper classes not having to work is a modern day luxury.
  • ricky77ricky77 Posts: 1,510
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    Victorian times were only good if you were in the top few percent (wealth wise) of the country...otherwise, it was a very tough period!
  • ĐironaĐirona Posts: 15,881
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    average victorian lived to about 40 years. life was hard!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 22,736
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    Cooking, sewing, nurturing?

    What about us women that find the thought of that, one the most distressing thoughts for their future?

    Should we be locked up as freaks?

    Its not about what sex you are, it is about making the most of what you are good at, male or female. Women should not be given positions because they are women but because they are the best candidate.

    Thats should be how life works.

    We start getting issues when females, ethnic minorities etc start getting jobs because they are female or black or gay or disabled etc as opposed to because they are the best for the job.

    Gender is irelevant.
  • tongs ya basstongs ya bass Posts: 731
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    Đirona wrote: »
    average victorian lived to about 40 years. life was hard!

    that is not true, you are mixing average life expectancy with average age
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17,470
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Compared with the greatness and elegance of the Victorian Era todays concrete cities and motorway world look crass and gross.

    What exactly does that have to do with sexual equality? :confused:
  • ĐironaĐirona Posts: 15,881
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    that is not true, you are mixing average life expectancy with average age

    am i? does it make a difference to the point that life was harder and people died younger?
  • ĐironaĐirona Posts: 15,881
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    horns wrote: »
    What exactly does that have to do with sexual equality? :confused:

    traffic jams are women's fault i suspect!
  • CyanidePillCyanidePill Posts: 365
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    That's a very muddled argument.

    Are you a woman?

    ;)
  • kimindexkimindex Posts: 68,247
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    Cooking, sewing, nurturing?

    What about us women that find the thought of that, one the most distressing thoughts for their future?


    Should we be locked up as freaks?

    Its not about what sex you are, it is about making the most of what you are good at, male or female. Women should not be given positions because they are women but because they are the best candidate.

    Thats should be how life works.

    We start getting issues when females, ethnic minorities etc start getting jobs because they are female or black or gay or disabled etc as opposed to because they are the best for the job.

    Gender is irelevant.
    Well said. So-called traditional roles suit some, but not all (which works both ways round - equality should mean men can stay at home, if the family wants that and can afford it, without negative attitudes and pressure making it hard). I really don't like that the ' men and women are equal but each have a defined role' mantra.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,679
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    People generally don't try to change perfect situations. If everything was great back then there would have been no need for change. Would men like to go back to not having a right to vote unless they were well off?
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,870
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    Women in the past have almost been seen as a commodity..... in war, a conquered city... the males would be slaughtered and the women kept as spoils of war... taken into slavery... though they eventually became wives or concubines to the conquerers.

    The women were the prize.... a prize that men were prepared to fight and die for.

    Today our society has given in to womens lib and political correctness.... the old order is overthrown and society is the poorer for it.
    Emily Pankhurst has got a lot to answer for !
  • kimindexkimindex Posts: 68,247
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Women in the past have almost been seen as a commodity..... in war, a conquered city... the males would be slaughtered and the women kept as spoils of war... taken into slavery... though they eventually became wives or concubines to the conquerers.

    The women were the prize.... a prize that men were prepared to fight and die for.

    Today our society has given in to womens lib and political correctness.... the old order is overthrown and society is the poorer for it.
    Emily Pankhurst has got a lot to answer for !
    So do you approve of the position before the Married Women's Property Act 1882? And would you have liked to have been in such a position, before that Act?

    Wiki:
    English law defined the role of the wife as a ‘feme covert’, emphasizing her subordination to her husband, and putting her under the ‘protection and influence of her husband, her baron, or lord’ (see Coverture). Upon marriage, the husband and wife became one person under the law, as the property of the wife was surrendered to her husband, and her legal identity ceased to exist. Any personal property acquired by the wife during the marriage, unless specified that it was for her own separate use, went automatically to her husband. Further, married women were unable to draft wills or dispose of any property without their husbands’ consent.[3]

    The dissolution of a marriage, whether initiated by the husband or wife, usually left the divorced females impoverished, as the law offered them no rights to marital property. The 1836 Caroline Norton court case highlighted the injustice of English property laws, and generated enough support that eventually resulted in the Married Women’s Property Act in 1882
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Married_Women%27s_Property_Act_1882
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 22,736
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Women in the past have almost been seen as a commodity..... in war, a conquered city... the males would be slaughtered and the women kept as spoils of war... taken into slavery... though they eventually became wives or concubines to the conquerers.

    The women were the prize.... a prize that men were prepared to fight and die for.

    Today our society has given in to womens lib and political correctness.... the old order is overthrown and society is the poorer for it.
    Emily Pankhurst has got a lot to answer for !

    So wome should be a prize, for men???

    I think lesser intelligent males should be a prize for more intelligent women to do with as they wish!:D
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,832
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    I'm guessing someone just watched Mary Poppins.
  • ĐironaĐirona Posts: 15,881
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    So wome should be a prize, for men???

    I think lesser intelligent males should be a prize for more intelligent women to do with as they wish!:D

    but what would you do with it? if it can't hold a convo what's the point?

    oh...that...! lady!:eek:
  • academiaacademia Posts: 18,225
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    horns wrote: »
    What exactly does that have to do with sexual equality? :confused:

    Female architects, I expect.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17,470
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    academia wrote: »
    Female architects, I expect.

    Yeah - because there are so many of those...
  • GraathusGraathus Posts: 3,116
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    Before we put women back in their place we need to do something about the foreigners and poor, to suggest that some johnny foreigner should be more important than a true born English women is balderdash.

    And as for these poor people getting all uppity, well send them back to the mines and flog a couple. Let them know their place in the world. It was a mistake giving them the vote.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,273
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    their society was far more stable and harmonious than the nightmare that we are living in today.

    You honestly think that? :eek: Did they not have history lessons when you went to school?
  • EspressoEspresso Posts: 18,047
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Back then women were the mothers and nurturers of society... they were busy in the home sewing, knitting, cooking and bringing up their brood of intelligent... well mannered children..... there was no political correctness, there was no womens lib.
    In the end their society was far more stable and harmonious than the nightmare that we are living in today.

    Wise up.
    Back then the rich lived pleasant lives and life for the rest of society life was a relentless slog of hard work, all day every day for hardly any wages. Men and women who were not the nobility all had to work. Or they'd end up in the poorhouse.
    And as for nurturing, among these noble women, the kids were cared for by wet nurses and nannies before they were hoiked off to boarding school at about 6 years old.
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