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Who really is the 'passive-aggressive' camp-mate ?

hisdogspothisdogspot Posts: 23,348
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Mel says she can't stand Edwina's passive aggressiveness

Is she right ?

Is Edwina passive-aggressive ?

I'm not really sure what the term actually means but it appears to me that Mel, herself, is pretty aggressive ( in a passive sort of way )
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68,508
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    I don't think they have a brilliant dynamic. Edwina is inclined to make suggestions in a tiny, timid voice very unlike her own. Either Mel has previously really bitten her head off or she IS being a wee bit passive aggressive. But Mel should cut it out. Every year there is someone who likes to control the cooking, because controlling the cooking is a powerful position in camp, and it takes a bit more grace and modesty to do it without empire-building as Mel is obviously doing.
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    locoherolocohero Posts: 328
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    Mel has a string of failed relationships. Go figure.
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    erin_perin_p Posts: 25,091
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    Mel is
    .Why does she get so angry when someone suggests a cooking method ,why does she have to take herself away to calm down?
    When Kendra got upset over not winning or getting her letter Mel said to others "no one has died " like it's no big deal , yet she got so pissed off at Edwina/ Vicki for suggesting they cook octopus in smaller pieces that she had to remove herself from the camp to calm down ...bizarre.
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    Jimmy ConnorsJimmy Connors Posts: 117,901
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    Is Mel a professional chef? I know she does a TV show with a professional chef, so maybe she considers herself one as well. She is certainly very temperamental (like most chefs are)

    I only ask as she seems to dominate the cooking every single night.
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,869
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    erin_p wrote: »
    Mel is
    .Why does she get so angry when someone suggests a cooking method ,why does she have to take herself away to calm down?
    When Kendra got upset over not winning or getting her letter Mel said to others "no one has died " like it's no big deal , yet she got so pissed off at Edwina/ Vicki for suggesting they cook octopus in smaller pieces that she had to remove herself from the camp to calm down ...bizarre.

    Agreed. In that environment, cooking is a communal experience. If Mel prefers to do her own thing, then perhaps she should leave the cooking up to someone else.
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    hisdogspothisdogspot Posts: 23,348
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    erin_p wrote: »
    Mel is
    .Why does she get so angry when someone suggests a cooking method ,why does she have to take herself away to calm down?
    When Kendra got upset over not winning or getting her letter Mel said to others "no one has died " like it's no big deal , yet she got so pissed off at Edwina/ Vicki for suggesting they cook octopus in smaller pieces that she had to remove herself from the camp to calm down ...bizarre.


    Yes, I noticed that too

    She says something like "I don't know what to do with this" and when someone makes a suggestion she snaps back "Do you want to do it ?"
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    GlimirilGlimiril Posts: 93
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    Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility.

    This depends greatly on perspective or situation.

    Without knowing the experiences of each individual (or even edited 40 min show) all anyone does is project their own perception.

    And to ask the question could be passive aggressive also, as we are all anonymous to varying degrees.

    So I would say we who comment and judge are passive aggressive.
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    bbnutnutbbnutnut Posts: 1,582
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    hisdogspot wrote: »
    Yes, I noticed that too

    She says something like "I don't know what to do with this" and when someone makes a suggestion she snaps back "Do you want to do it ?"

    Exactly. She did it with the hare when she was looking at it and said she didn't know how to cut it up. Edwina or Vikki said to start by separating the legs and Mel went 'Do you want to do it then?'. Also with the octopus, Edwina said it's best to cook it for a short time as it gets rubbery very quickly and Mel said 'I know, I know' in a dismissive, aggressive way. Edwina has said she doesn't like cooking but surely that doesn't mean she can't offer advice when someone asks for it? I think Mel was annoyed that she had overcooked it and tried to turn it into Edwina and Vikki being ungrateful and snide.
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    PaacePaace Posts: 14,679
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    erin_p wrote: »
    Mel is
    .Why does she get so angry when someone suggests a cooking method ,why does she have to take herself away to calm down?
    When Kendra got upset over not winning or getting her letter Mel said to others "no one has died " like it's no big deal , yet she got so pissed off at Edwina/ Vicki for suggesting they cook octopus in smaller pieces that she had to remove herself from the camp to calm down ...bizarre.

    Unbelievable the way she carries on over the cooking, as if her way is the only way . Total control freak .
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    EnricoIVEnricoIV Posts: 4,742
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    Edwina is passive-aggressive. Mel is a control-freak. And they both have superiority complexes.
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    Scarlett BerryScarlett Berry Posts: 21,135
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    Mel by a country mile.

    What a dissappointment she has been (to me) She has done herself no favours on this show. She is relentlessly negative and narky. Gone right off her.:(
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    patsylimerickpatsylimerick Posts: 22,124
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    I think part of Mel's problem is that she starved herself half-emaciated before she ever came into the show so that she could - at 43 - still be the 'bikini babe'. She has then had very little to eat since then and she looks, frankly, ill. Her teeth are protruding, her cheeks have collapsed completely and she looks ill. She's irritable and quite a domineering personality.

    I just knew the minute Edwina tentatively pointed out that octopus should only be cooked for a very short period of time that A) Mel wouldn't take the advice in the manner it was offered and B) when it ended up being tough, she'd throw a strop in Edwina's direction.

    I'm not sure Mel is passive aggressive but what most irritates me about her is that she turns herself into the victim at every given opportunity; see "did you see the way Vicky snapped at me?" and all this wandering off to take ten deep breaths.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 152
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    I think part of Mel's problem is that she starved herself half-emaciated before she ever came into the show so that she could - at 43 - still be the 'bikini babe'. She has then had very little to eat since then and she looks, frankly, ill. Her teeth are protruding, her cheeks have collapsed completely and she looks ill. She's irritable and quite a domineering personality.

    I just knew the minute Edwina tentatively pointed out that octopus should only be cooked for a very short period of time that A) Mel wouldn't take the advice in the manner it was offered and B) when it ended up being tough, she'd throw a strop in Edwina's direction.

    I'm not sure Mel is passive aggressive but what most irritates me about her is that she turns herself into the victim at every given opportunity; see "did you see the way Vicky snapped at me?" and all this wandering off to take ten deep breaths.

    I totally agree. It's a shame she'll only know how badly (IMO) she's come across when she leaves. All the pretence of "I'm ok hun" when clearly she isn't, is princess attention seeking drama in itself. I wish she'd stop cooking but she won't as she is desparate to stay relevant in the jungle!
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    Scarlett BerryScarlett Berry Posts: 21,135
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    Rioxxx wrote: »
    I totally agree. It's a shame she'll only know how badly (IMO) she's come across when she leaves. All the pretence of "I'm ok hun" when clearly she isn't, is princess attention seeking drama in itself. I wish she'd stop cooking but she won't as she is desparate to stay relevant in the jungle!

    Well said. :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,246
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    I would say Mel
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    SurrenderBillSurrenderBill Posts: 19,084
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    I think part of Mel's problem is that she starved herself half-emaciated before she ever came into the show so that she could - at 43 - still be the 'bikini babe'. She has then had very little to eat since then and she looks, frankly, ill. Her teeth are protruding, her cheeks have collapsed completely and she looks ill. She's irritable and quite a domineering personality.

    I just knew the minute Edwina tentatively pointed out that octopus should only be cooked for a very short period of time that A) Mel wouldn't take the advice in the manner it was offered and B) when it ended up being tough, she'd throw a strop in Edwina's direction.

    I'm not sure Mel is passive aggressive but what most irritates me about her is that she turns herself into the victim at every given opportunity; see "did you see the way Vicky snapped at me?" and all this wandering off to take ten deep breaths.

    Unfortunately, I think a lot this is quite accurate. There is a lot about Mel that could make her a great camper, hence the initial positive response to her. Unfortunately the experience is getting to her, and I think your 'bikini-babe' comment might just be the reason why. Quite sad when people can't move on to the next stage of their life. She'd still be rather an attractive woman if she let go of what used to be, the skeletal look really isn't a good one, regardless of what the modelling world try to tell us.
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    greenyonegreenyone Posts: 3,545
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    hisdogspot wrote: »
    Mel says she can't stand Edwina's passive aggressiveness

    Is she right ?

    Is Edwina passive-aggressive ?

    I'm not really sure what the term actually means but it appears to me that Mel, herself, is pretty aggressive ( in a passive sort of way )

    They both are
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    yellowlabbieyellowlabbie Posts: 59,081
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    Is Mel a professional chef? I know she does a TV show with a professional chef, so maybe she considers herself one as well. She is certainly very temperamental (like most chefs are)

    I only ask as she seems to dominate the cooking every single night.

    I do remember some of the others doing the cooking when Mel was in another camp and they complained how chewy everything was.
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    HoffmisterHoffmister Posts: 12,037
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    How was Mel supposed to change the texture of octopus? Right there was a attack..should Mel of cooked it longer..wait Wenna told her not to cook it for long.

    I suspect Mel digs gets the wood empty s the craper while Weena sits on her arse moaning all day.

    Alas we can only guess what REALLY is happeng
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    SurrenderBillSurrenderBill Posts: 19,084
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    Hoffmister wrote: »
    How was Mel supposed to change the texture of octopus? Right there was a attack..should Mel of cooked it longer..wait Wenna told her not to cook it for long.

    I suspect Mel digs gets the wood empty s the craper while Weena sits on her arse moaning all day.

    Alas we can only guess what REALLY is happeng

    Cooking it for too long is what makes it tough, unless I'm mistaken.
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    hansuehansue Posts: 14,227
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    pork.pie wrote: »
    Cooking it for too long is what makes it tough, unless I'm mistaken.

    Hayley on Get Me Out of Here Now did say that it should have been cut in strips and cooked. Im not sure if she is right be that would avoid it be tough and chewy.
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    Cat-Cat- Posts: 7,612
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    pork.pie wrote: »
    Cooking it for too long is what makes it tough, unless I'm mistaken.

    No you're not mistaken. I recall an episode of Masterchef and this was one of the technical tests in cooking it for a very short time or it will be rubbery and tough. Mel clearly thinks she knows it all and doesn't appreciate anyone's advice. I just wish someone would call her at her own game when she says "well do you want to do it" and says "yes, well give me the damned spoon and go and whinge somewhere else"
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    Jimmy ConnorsJimmy Connors Posts: 117,901
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    I do remember some of the others doing the cooking when Mel was in another camp and they complained how chewy everything was.

    Yes I remember that too. They didn't cook it (whatever it was) long enough or something.
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    susie-4964susie-4964 Posts: 23,143
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    greenyone wrote: »
    They both are

    Edwina isn't passive-aggressive at all, it's because she's generally up-front about what she says that people get annoyed! Passive-aggressive people are irritating because you don't see the aggro coming - they start off nice, as if they're going to help you, then turn on you when you've been lulled into a false sense of security. I'd rather have full-on aggression any day.
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    cavallicavalli Posts: 18,738
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    Mel by a country mile.

    What a dissappointment she has been (to me) She has done herself no favours on this show. She is relentlessly negative and narky. Gone right off her.:(

    Didn't disappoint me because I knew exactly what to expect, it was only a matter of time ;-)
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