Grace Dent: Bill Roache is the latest celebrity in the dock and we’re the judge and jury. It all makes me uneasy
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/grace-dent-bill-roache-is-the-latest-celebrity-in-the-dock-and-were-the-judge-and-jury-it-all-makes-me-uneasy-8599402.html
don't have time to read the whole thing but I read the start - seems a good article. I agree with what I read. I also note it mentions Bill Roache's arrest wasn't linked to Operation Yewtree but I noticed posts here (either this thread or in GD forum?) yesterday stating it was - probably just presuming that to be the case. The lines are getting blurred somewhat - I imagine anyone famous charged with abuse or assault of underage girls at the moment, people will think its part of Operation Yewtree and/or linked to JS.
She may well have felt that, as he has pleaded guilty to other serious offences, then he will get some sort of sentence and feels that is enough for her to see that justice has been served.
Sky News: Stuart Hall has admitted 14 counts of indecent assault on children as young as 9 years old
Admission was made in an earlier hearing, but has only been made public today.
Maybe the reason it was not published is that the CPS have decided to drop a rape charge and the other two charges he did not confess to. However they had not been dropped last month so it could not be announced in case those charges went to trial.
Apparently, most of his victims were daughters of his friends. Bloody hell.........
And apparently in each case the parents were made aware of what happened (by the child), choosing just to keep them away from Hall from then on.
I suspect the fact that friends and associates of Hall's also support the accusations went some way to making him admit it rather than have a trial where they would testify against him.
What was wrong with men back then? Even taking into account that some of the famous faces from the 70s and 80s who have been charged or arrested are innocent, that still leaves a worryingly high proportion of male TV stars from that era as child abusers...and then there's all those we don't know about. Just how many more men from this era will be outed?
What was wrong with men back then? Even taking into account that some of the famous faces from the 70s and 80s who have been charged or arrested are innocent, that still leaves a worryingly high proportion of male TV stars from that era as child abusers...and then there's all those we don't know about. Just how many more men from this era will be outed?
It was NOT just celeb men. Groping etc. just happened.....it was simply not viewed in the same way as it is today. Many things were just shrugged off as being 'that is the way it is' especially in attitudes of men towards women. It is difficult to seperate todays cultural/moral standards with what was 'accepted' in the past
It was NOT just celeb men. Groping etc. just happened.....it was simply not viewed in the same way as it is today. Many things were just shrugged off as being 'that is the way it is' especially in attitudes of men towards women. It is difficult to seperate todays cultural/moral standards with what was 'accepted' in the past
But it's not so much about what was acceptable, it's about men actually wanting to do it. What made so many of them that way inclined? All the stories you hear of abuse...and then there's the ones you don't hear about. I'm sure it's enough to make anyone with kids paranoid.
And apparently in each case the parents were made aware of what happened (by the child), choosing just to keep them away from Hall from then on.
I suspect the fact that friends and associates of Hall's also support the accusations went some way to making him admit it rather than have a trial where they would testify against him.
How strange not to report him there and then perhaps saving other children from his perverted ways.
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Admission was made in an earlier hearing, but has only been made public today.
Well! I was kind of hoping it wasn't true when it first came out about this but god um wow
Small mercies, I guess
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/grace-dent-bill-roache-is-the-latest-celebrity-in-the-dock-and-were-the-judge-and-jury-it-all-makes-me-uneasy-8599402.html
don't have time to read the whole thing but I read the start - seems a good article. I agree with what I read. I also note it mentions Bill Roache's arrest wasn't linked to Operation Yewtree but I noticed posts here (either this thread or in GD forum?) yesterday stating it was - probably just presuming that to be the case. The lines are getting blurred somewhat - I imagine anyone famous charged with abuse or assault of underage girls at the moment, people will think its part of Operation Yewtree and/or linked to JS.
"James Stuart Hall, OBE (born 25 December 1929) is an English rapist, radio and television presenter."
Looks like the woman who alleged rape has decided not to pursue her claim as he has pleaded guilty to the other offences. I think I understand that
How can you have a charge like that left on file!
I don't understand our justice system
Oh I see. I guess its up to her.
Presumably, the victim consented to it being left on file on the basis that he was pleading guilty to the child offences.
She may well have felt that, as he has pleaded guilty to other serious offences, then he will get some sort of sentence and feels that is enough for her to see that justice has been served.
Maybe the reason it was not published is that the CPS have decided to drop a rape charge and the other two charges he did not confess to. However they had not been dropped last month so it could not be announced in case those charges went to trial.
Apologies for being dim but what does that actually mean? Is it the same as being left on the books? Can they be reinstated at a later date?
And apparently in each case the parents were made aware of what happened (by the child), choosing just to keep them away from Hall from then on.
I suspect the fact that friends and associates of Hall's also support the accusations went some way to making him admit it rather than have a trial where they would testify against him.
It was NOT just celeb men. Groping etc. just happened.....it was simply not viewed in the same way as it is today. Many things were just shrugged off as being 'that is the way it is' especially in attitudes of men towards women. It is difficult to seperate todays cultural/moral standards with what was 'accepted' in the past
The accuser has decided not to pursue the case in court. If she wishes to proceed in the future, then the case could be re-instated.
But it's not so much about what was acceptable, it's about men actually wanting to do it. What made so many of them that way inclined? All the stories you hear of abuse...and then there's the ones you don't hear about. I'm sure it's enough to make anyone with kids paranoid.