Alan Johnson - Phillip Hammond Should Resign

occyoccy Posts: 65,136
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Alan Johnson speaking on Sky News Adam Boulton Sunday Live - has hinted Transport Secretary Phillip Hammond should resign over the travel chaos caused by the snow.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Snow-Alan-Johnson-Hints-Transport-Secretary-Philip-Hammond-Should-Consider-Resigning/Article/201012315860605?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15860605_Snow%3A_Alan_Johnson_Hints_Transport_Secretary_Philip_Hammond_Should_Consider_Resigning

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Did he cause the snow. Maybe he should have been at Traffic Link and other places to see what is happening. Maybe some MP's should grab a spade and help, without coming on TV and throwing out the blame game.
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  • Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    It's Hammond's responsibility to work with local authorities and businesses to make sure that the infrastructure to deal with inclement conditions is in place.

    The only major thing he appears to have done is told everyone to clear their own snow. No doubt his road will be well gritted.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    I'd rather Clarkson and May went before Hammond ;)

    I don't mind him myself - no major muck-ups because of the snow
  • occyoccy Posts: 65,136
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    It does call into question - " Why is the Scottish Transport Minister sitting in Traffic centres or highways offices over looking this? Then Phillip Hammond is sitting at home on the phone or watching the media. It does seem disgraceful .
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    occy wrote: »
    Alan Johnson speaking on Sky News Adam Boulton Sunday Live - has hinted Transport Secretary Phillip Hammond should resign over the travel chaos caused by the snow.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Snow-Alan-Johnson-Hints-Transport-Secretary-Philip-Hammond-Should-Consider-Resigning/Article/201012315860605?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15860605_Snow%3A_Alan_Johnson_Hints_Transport_Secretary_Philip_Hammond_Should_Consider_Resigning

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    Did he cause the snow. Maybe he should have been at Traffic Link and other places to see what is happening. Maybe some MP's should grab a spade and help, without coming on TV and throwing out the blame game.


    Hang on a minute.;)

    I presume that Johnson has read all of the text books that Ed Balls lent him and mastered economic theory and is now moving on to master Transport. Lucky Ed Miliband to have such well informed people on his team.
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Did the Labour Transport secretary resign last year or the year before with all the chaos.

    We want the Transport secretary sorting the mess out - not distracted by silly resignation nonsense.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Did the Labour Transport secretary resign last year or the year before with all the chaos.

    We want the Transport secretary sorting the mess out - not distracted by silly resignation nonsense.

    Phil Hammond was interviewed a day or two ago and said that all major road and motorways are passable and that what is being prioritised now is gettng all trains to the correct start points for tomorrow for commuters. There is sufficient grit and salt. Airport authorities are doing all they can to get planes off the ground. Planes are in fact taking off from Heathrow today.

    He pointed out that local roads are solely the responsibility of local councils.
  • SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 12,503
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Did the Labour Transport secretary resign last year or the year before with all the chaos.

    He wasn't even in the House of Commons to take questions from MPs, being Lord Adonis (it was Geoff Hoon MP from October 2008 until June 2009).

    It's shameless political opportunism from Johnson, he knows full well that it wasn't any better under Labour.

    The question that both this Government and the last one have to consider is whether it's worth throwing serious money at a problem that only affects the UK for a few weeks of the year, when that money could be used for something else.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    SouthCity wrote: »
    He wasn't even in the House of Commons to take questions from MPs, being Lord Adonis (it was Geoff Hoon MP from October 2008 until June 2009).

    It's shameless political opportunism from Johnson, he knows full well that it wasn't any better under Labour.

    The question that both this Government and the last one have to consider is whether it's worth throwing serious money at a problem that only affects the UK for a few weeks of the year, when that money could be used for something else.

    That's a point that Phil Hammond made in his interview. He said that in countries which have to cope with snow for several months of the year they have invested in a great deal of machinery and equipment. Here the snow lasts a matter of days at a time and so we have less eqipment.

    In other Europen countries they are facing similar problems to ours and even in Germany the trains are not running on time.
  • VellumVellum Posts: 6,825
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    occy wrote: »
    Alan Johnson speaking on Sky News Adam Boulton Sunday Live - has hinted Transport Secretary Phillip Hammond should resign over the travel chaos caused by the snow.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Snow-Alan-Johnson-Hints-Transport-Secretary-Philip-Hammond-Should-Consider-Resigning/Article/201012315860605?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15860605_Snow%3A_Alan_Johnson_Hints_Transport_Secretary_Philip_Hammond_Should_Consider_Resigning

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    Did he cause the snow. Maybe he should have been at Traffic Link and other places to see what is happening. Maybe some MP's should grab a spade and help, without coming on TV and throwing out the blame game.

    What an idiot, what happened last year Johnson you clown? The same thing :rolleyes:
  • MarkjukMarkjuk Posts: 30,436
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    I do think Phillip Hammond has made a complete cock up of public transport.

    However.....


    Aren't a few people forgetting the even worse travel chaos that existed earlier this year then LABOUR were in power!

    At least this time around main roads are gritted. I can remember back in January how bad it was with even the local bus service having to stop services due to the state of the roads.

    This time around the buses are still running.

    This time around is a huge improvement to what we saw back in January under a Labour Government.
  • mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    Have the coalition had to set up COBRA to meet over matters as pressing and dangerous as... a lack of grit?

    If not, then they must be doing a better job than Labour was.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,597
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    Phil Hammond was interviewed a day or two ago and said that all major road and motorways are passable taking off from Heathrow today.

    He pointed out that local roads are solely the responsibility of local councils.

    Perhaps he'd like to tell that to all the people stuck in a 20 mile queue on the M5 yesterday.

    As for councils' responsibility, there's no point in having major roads usable if no-one can get to them. It needs a co-ordinated approach and councils (yes, East Sussex CC, I mean you) that can't get their act together should be given a snow plan to comply with by the DoT.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,597
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    Markjuk wrote: »
    At least this time around main roads are gritted. I can remember back in January how bad it was with even the local bus service having to stop services due to the state of the roads.

    This time around the buses are still running.

    This time around is a huge improvement to what we saw back in January under a Labour Government.

    Local buses here haven't run here since about 5pm on Friday.

    The Labour government commissioned a report on "snow resilience", which was published in July. The chair of the transport select committee said on the radio yesterday that almost none iof its recommendations had been implemented.
  • Judge MentalJudge Mental Posts: 18,593
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    Alan Johnson did not say that Hammond should resign.

    Local authorities who have the responsibility of dealing with the roads have just had their budgets cut by millions by central government so they can't simply pass the buck if there's not enough resource to deal with the problem.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    Alan Johnson did not say that Hammond should resign.

    Local authorities who have the responsibility of dealing with the roads have just had their budgets cut by millions by central government so they can't simply pass the buck if there's not enough resource to deal with the problem.

    If they hadn't bought their salt and grit by now (before any cuts) then they are not very good Councils
  • Tel69Tel69 Posts: 26,992
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    SouthCity wrote: »

    It's shameless political opportunism from Johnson, he knows full well that it wasn't any better under Labour.

    Couldn't agree more, the man is a moron as are most of his party. Of course everything worked perfectly last winter when they were in charge!!:rolleyes:
  • Judge MentalJudge Mental Posts: 18,593
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    Windy999 wrote: »
    If they hadn't bought their salt and grit by now (before any cuts) then they are not very good Councils

    They all had to spend far more than budgeted last winter because they had to use far more salt and grit than in previous years. The same will happen this year - the government cannot blame local councils if they can't afford to buy more to deal with the extreme weather.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    They all had to spend far more than budgeted last winter because they had to use far more salt and grit than in previous years. The same will happen this year - the government cannot blame local councils if they can't afford to buy more to deal with the extreme weather.

    I have no argument with that if we were at the end of winter but we are only at the start
  • stripedcatstripedcat Posts: 6,689
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    I agree it is opportunism on Miliband and Johnson's part to try and call for Hammond's resignation. To be honest whenever this country has snow we seem to grind to a halt. The government of whatever colour has never been able to do much about it. At least we don't have the Fat Controller in at the Department of Transport any more. Nice 10 year plan by the way Mr. Prescott.
  • Judge MentalJudge Mental Posts: 18,593
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    Windy999 wrote: »
    I have no argument with that if we were at the end of winter but we are only at the start

    I'm not sure what your point is. Mine is that even if authorities have planned well for a cold winter they may struggle to push the resources towards an even colder one than anticipated because those resources are much more stretched than they expected. Most authorities had planned for a 6 to 7% cut to their grant but have had more like 10 or 11%. They are now having to work out how to keep essential services like gritting going while making even bigger cuts elsewhere.
  • occyoccy Posts: 65,136
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    The government is waiting for a report from a scientist to whether, this weather could continue, before they invest. If they invest and don't use them the money could be wasted, and spent on something else. I think the report needs to be done ASAP. This weather could continue into 2011, so someone could go if we see another few days of mayhem at these airports and roads.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    occy wrote: »
    The government is waiting for a report from a scientist to whether, this weather could continue, before they invest. If they invest and don't use them the money could be wasted, and spent on something else. I think the report needs to be done ASAP. This weather could continue into 2011, so someone could go if we see another few days of mayhem at these airports and roads.

    In winter it snows. It causes inconvenience not mass deaths.

    It not unusual.

    It has been happening almost very year for as long as I can remember.


    -17.5C - Magherally, County Down, January 1 1979

    -23.3C - Rhayader, Powys, January 21, 1940

    -26.1C - Newport, Shropshire, January 10, 1982

    -27.2C - Braemar, Aberdeenshire, January 10, 1982

    -27.2C - Altnaharra, Highlands, December 30, 1995


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339937/UK-snow-weather-update-Temperatures-set-hit-low-26C.html#ixzz18a0nuRN1remember.
  • allafixallafix Posts: 20,690
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    moox wrote: »
    Have the coalition had to set up COBRA to meet over matters as pressing and dangerous as... a lack of grit?

    If not, then they must be doing a better job than Labour was.
    The reason local councils ordered more grit this year is that last year they ran out, having ordered normal supplies and faced an abnormal situation. That has little to do with the government and COBRA, which was responding to the emergency that resulted.

    Johnson didn't call for Hammond to resign. He questioned why Hammond hadn't acted on a report published in the summer which might have helped planning for winter. It is reasonable for the opposition to ask the government why they haven't acted on advice commissioned after last winter's problems.

    I wonder why Maria Eagle wasn't doing this interview. She is supposedly the Shadow Secretary for Transport, though her appointment hasn't made it to her own website, so perhaps she missed the email.
  • CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    allafix wrote: »
    The reason local councils ordered more grit this year is that last year they ran out, having ordered normal supplies and faced an abnormal situation. That has little to do with the government and COBRA, which was responding to the emergency that resulted.

    Johnson didn't call for Hammond to resign. He questioned why Hammond hadn't acted on a report published in the summer which might have helped planning for winter. It is reasonable for the opposition to ask the government why they haven't acted on advice commissioned after last winter's problems.


    I wonder why Maria Eagle wasn't doing this interview. She is supposedly the Shadow Secretary for Transport, though her appointment hasn't made it to her own
    website, so perhaps she missed the email.

    Eagle was spouting absolute rubbish on TV this morning, one would have thought hearing her that Labour had bought dozens of snow ploughs and thousands of tons of grit and the coalition had sold them off.

    What the hell did Labour do in all the years they were in power did THEY provide the infrastructure for this snow. There is a limit to what any government can do when only been in power just over 6 months Labour had 12 years. When did YOU provide us with the snow ploughs Eagle, when did YOU stockpile grit. The Government have enough problems sorting out Labour's last minute trying-to-grab-votes give-away policies.

    I could even understand Eagle and the rest of the Labour dunderheads if the coalition government had been in power 3 years, they open their mouths far too much blaming the present problems on the coalition when most of the problems were of their own making.

    As for the remark by the ex-postman union man Johnson, why if Labour were so damn clever and know what the coalition should be doing now, why did everything go wrong last winter then, so much so they called an inquiry, when the weather was nowhere near so severe as it has been.
  • occyoccy Posts: 65,136
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    In winter it snows. It causes inconvenience not mass deaths.

    It not unusual.

    It has been happening almost very year for as long as I can remember.


    -17.5C - Magherally, County Down, January 1 1979

    -23.3C - Rhayader, Powys, January 21, 1940

    -26.1C - Newport, Shropshire, January 10, 1982

    -27.2C - Braemar, Aberdeenshire, January 10, 1982

    -27.2C - Altnaharra, Highlands, December 30, 1995


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339937/UK-snow-weather-update-Temperatures-set-hit-low-26C.html#ixzz18a0nuRN1remember.

    May have got the weather wrong for the South. Apparently the snow could return during rush hour on Monday.

    Instead of waiting for the scientist then they will have to invest. Thats the problem the Government will have to try and find the money to pay for these things. I suppose they could come up with a plan to pay for snow ploughs over a few years. It's really got to be done. There must be emergency reserve money somewhere? I bet there are snow ploughs already built, and ready to go.
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