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Driving without insurance?

yeahbuddyyeahbuddy Posts: 703
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I'm 18 and currently want to start learning to drive but want to get abit of practise in before I start paying an absolute fortune for lessons.
My dad has an automatic ford focus and to insure me it would mean changing his insurance company as the post office don't take on learners.
We know someone with private land and wondered would I be able to drive on it without any problems, my dad would be with me but I just want to learn the basics like mirrors and actually how a car works before I go to a teacher.
Thanks

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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    You can drive on private land without a licence and insurance no problem, it's perfectly legal.
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    yeahbuddy wrote: »
    I'm 18 and currently want to start learning to drive but want to get abit of practise in before I start paying an absolute fortune for lessons.
    My dad has an automatic ford focus and to insure me it would mean changing his insurance company as the post office don't take on learners.
    We know someone with private land and wondered would I be able to drive on it without any problems, my dad would be with me but I just want to learn the basics like mirrors and actually how a car works before I go to a teacher.
    Thanks

    Don't forget if you pass on an auto you only get a license for autos.
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    yeahbuddyyeahbuddy Posts: 703
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    Richard46 wrote: »
    Don't forget if you pass on an auto you only get a license for autos.

    I ready knew that but I just don't want to turn up to my first lesson and have a melt down as I haven't got the foggiest about how a car works :)
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    yeahbuddy wrote: »
    I ready knew that but I just don't want to turn up to my first lesson and have a melt down as I haven't got the foggiest about how a car works :)

    I think you are right. Some basic car control experience off road pays dividends. I learn't to drive off road when i was 15. When it came to driving on the road I could concentrate on the road and not on the car.

    Still would be good to get some time on a manual off road* if your on road lessons are going to be on a manual. Driving an auto is very different.

    *If you can and if you want a full license.
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    rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Just get a provisional and you can drive on the roads with him in the passenger seat

    Edit - you can still do that can't you?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
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    That's exactly what I did OP. I learned on an old airfield.
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    GogfumbleGogfumble Posts: 22,155
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    Just get a provisional and you can drive on the roads with him in the passenger seat

    Edit - you can still do that can't you?

    If the op is added to the insurance yes. But as the op says the post office don't insure learner drivers so the dad would have to move insurance companies to one that do.
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    HypnodiscHypnodisc Posts: 22,728
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    Important to note though, if it's not a 'closed' piece of land and anyone can drive on to it (ie. open shopping centre car park) then you would need to be insured and licensed as if you were on a public road, even though it's private land.

    As others have said, if it's a field, car park or estate which only you have access to then not a problem, absolutely legal to drive on there without licence or insurance.
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    mred2000mred2000 Posts: 10,050
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    yeahbuddy wrote: »
    I ready knew that but I just don't want to turn up to my first lesson and have a melt down as I haven't got the foggiest about how a car works :)

    The main advantage with having a few private lessons before hitting your proper lessons would be learning about biting point - you won't get that in an automatic and it's a fairly big thing.
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    mourinhosmissusmourinhosmissus Posts: 5,593
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    Do you live anywhere near Hornchurch in Essex? There's a place there called Cardrome and for £15 you can drive around it all day. They have roads set out, plus a roundabout, hills and traffic lights. As it's private, you don't need insurance.

    My OH and I went there a couple of times when he was learning; he said it was invaluable.

    The only proviso is that you must have a qualified driver with you.

    Cardrome
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    codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    If you ever want to drive a manual, start in a manual.

    Re-training your brain is very difficult to do!
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    AmberPandaAmberPanda Posts: 461
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    yeahbuddy wrote: »
    I ready knew that but I just don't want to turn up to my first lesson and have a melt down as I haven't got the foggiest about how a car works :)

    I really wouldn't worry about turning up for a lesson and not knowing how a car works, I have been driving for years, passed the test first time and still don't know how a car works :D
    I'm sure there must be books that you could get which explains what happens under the bonnet :)
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    Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    As a previous poster mentioned, make sure the land is private, and that no one can gain access to it. Quite a lot of people get caught out, driving on what they think is private land with no insurance. And what sort of land is it fields or access roads etc. If its fields, its really not going to benefit you much. If it's access roads etc, see above point.

    The only good thing with an automatic that you can practice on private land is things like, reverse parking, turning in the road (was called a 3 point turn in my day) and things like that. Hill starts, roundabouts, emergency breaking etc an automatic won't really be a help and may even give you a false sense of security.
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    c4rvc4rv Posts: 29,620
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    Nobody has mentioned it and it is obvious but make sure you have the land owners permission.

    As mentioned by several people, the land has to closed off meaning access has to be controlled. You can't use supermarket/industrial estate car parks just because they are empty in the evenings / weekends.

    That cardrome place looks interesting, specifically setup for people like OP,

    http://drivecardrome.com/index.html
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    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
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    The other option is to take out learner insurance for a short period. If you search online you will find there are companies which specialise in insurance for learner drivers. It's not super-cheap but because it's specific to one driver it is completely separate from the existing insurance on the car so does not affect the premium or no-claims discount. It only applies whilst you are a learner so it is only a short-term solution, but it means you can drive a car without being added to the car's existing policy.
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    mooblymoobly Posts: 281
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    Inkblot wrote: »
    The other option is to take out learner insurance for a short period. If you search online you will find there are companies which specialise in insurance for learner drivers. It's not super-cheap but because it's specific to one driver it is completely separate from the existing insurance on the car so does not affect the premium or no-claims discount. It only applies whilst you are a learner so it is only a short-term solution, but it means you can drive a car without being added to the car's existing policy.

    I was just about to chip in with this! I know Aviva definitely do learner's insurance for £25 a day (my husband is learning to drive) which is pretty good considering my lessons were £25 for an HOUR.
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    SupratadSupratad Posts: 10,447
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    codeblue wrote: »
    If you ever want to drive a manual, start in a manual.

    Re-training your brain is very difficult to do!

    He's 18. I'm sure he can pick it up.
    At least with the auto, he will get the feel of steering, mirrors etc, the very basic building blocks.
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    walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,919
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    Hypnodisc wrote: »
    Important to note though, if it's not a 'closed' piece of land and anyone can drive on to it (ie. open shopping centre car park) then you would need to be insured and licensed as if you were on a public road, even though it's private land.

    As others have said, if it's a field, car park or estate which only you have access to then not a problem, absolutely legal to drive on there without licence or insurance.

    Quite correct. I know someone done for drink driving while moving their car on what they thought was private land.
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    SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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    yeahbuddy wrote: »
    I ready knew that but I just don't want to turn up to my first lesson and have a melt down as I haven't got the foggiest about how a car works :)

    To be fair the whole point of your first lesson is to find out how the car works. ;-)

    However some practice beforehand doesn't hurt, but don't think that driving a manual is anywhere near as easy to learn as driving an auto. With a manual there is always a lot going on at one time which is why they're harder to drive when you first start learning.
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    SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    You can drive on private land without a licence and insurance no problem, it's perfectly legal.

    As long as that piece of land isn't classed as a public place. Tesco's car park is private land, but it's a public place and driving on it without a licence or insurance is an offence.
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    Do you live anywhere near Hornchurch in Essex? There's a place there called Cardrome and for £15 you can drive around it all day. They have roads set out, plus a roundabout, hills and traffic lights. As it's private, you don't need insurance.

    My OH and I went there a couple of times when he was learning; he said it was invaluable.

    The only proviso is that you must have a qualified driver with you.

    Cardrome

    Did not realist that was still going. Taught a couple of friends the basics on there years back. The hill is especially useful to learn clutch control.
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    yeahbuddyyeahbuddy Posts: 703
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    Thanks for your help guys :)
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    David (2)David (2) Posts: 20,632
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    my bet would b if u get some practice driving an automatic you wont like driving a manual car!
    i think most people would say learning clutch and gear controls in a manual is the most tricky part of learning to drive.
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    Waj_100Waj_100 Posts: 3,739
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    I used these people when I taught my son to drive.....

    http://www.collingwoodlearners.co.uk/WD110AWP/WD110Awp.exe/CONNECT/LearnerDrivers
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