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Could EU exit lead to a break up of the UK ?
1TrueNorth
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What if Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland wish to pursue EU membership of their own if the UK withdrew from the EU ? can totally see an EU exit leading to the break up of the United Kingdom.
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If Scotland votes for independance.in 2014 would the SNP allow a Cameron referendum in 2017?
Northern Ireland benefits heavily from EU grants which likely wouldn't be replaced by the UK, and the ensuing economic turbulence in the UK would mean a reduction in the bloc grant that funds NI, so life there would become very hard very quickly. But for it to want out of the UK, the unionists would have to blame Westminster/England for it all and I think they're probably too dogmatic to do so.
Scotland would likely want out, since they're the only nation besides England that have a functioning economy and wouldn't be happy with the lurch to the right that England would take the UK in.
Wales would probably be happy to stay, since public opinion there is usually in line with England.
I think the only country that would be likely to leave would be Scotland, but Scotland leaving would probably do more to convince Wales, NI or even England to leave than the EU exit itself.
If scotland votes yes for independence next year, that doesn't mean scotland is independent from that moment. All the thrashing out of who gets to keep the cat in the divorce settlement would have to take place and once done, a date agreed for scotland officially becoming an independent country. Scotland would still be in the UK until that date arrives. So, if that hasn't happened before Cameron's (I'll believe it when I see it), referendum on the EU, then the SNP wouldn't be able to block a referendum happening. And, if it happened after one or the other smugly walks away with the cat, then it would be none of the SNP's business.
Either way, if Westminster Gov decides to offer a referendum to the people of the UK, then it's not for the SNP to allow or disallow it.
I live in Wales and I guarantee you there would be a huge yes to the EU, we in Wales benefit really well being in EU - we were on about this in work the other day and we all said stay in EU (there was an English man in this vote too), I would like to see the end to the UK because unions within unions will not work (see USA) and a USE will be the ultimate outcome in time.
Depends where you are in Wales, there are a lot of anti-EU people too. I'd say its a roughly even split, much like the existence of the Welsh Assembly.
hopefully..
Still peddling lies and nonsense
Boy, I bet you feel a bit stupid now. To be fair, I probably would've agreed with you, but I never wrote it down in a public forum.
Except he's entirely right. Scotland are going to go for independence again and this time they're going to get it because the Scottish are outraged that we've taken them out of the EU when the whole reason they stayed with us was to stay in the EU.
North Ireland are also heavily lenient on EU funding as are Wales and Cornwall so all of them are likely to become independent (yes, even Cornwall)
If you really think Brexiters haven't just doomed the "United Kingdom" as we know it then I don't know what to tell you, you're in for a few surprises in the coming years
Spain would veto based upon it's own problems with Catalan independence.
He is not right, for starter they cannot fund the current budget they have out of general taxation, an independent Scotland would have to drastically cut public services, an independent Scotland is not getting EU membership because Spain will veto its application.
Sturgeon doe not have the power to call Indy 2 and she knows it, I'm pro remain but I knew full well even from my home in San Fran that every vote was equal, the U.K. Joined as a union, it's leaving as a union.
The SNP are utterly devoid of intelligence if they actually believe leaving one Union to enter into another where they will have to cede sovereignty over taxation,immigration to unelected foreigners, the EU with Schengen and free movement is partly to blame for the Brexit but blame also needs to be laid at the door or spineless politicians who ignored the electorate and voted for what was in their best interests.
Correct, France would veto as well and I'm certain German taxpayers are not keen on another expensive mouth to feed at the table.
This^^^^
Blimey SF Sara, don't believe in sugar coating things do you...
Without cross funding of each of the countries?, each paying for their services via taxation?........
Good luck with that!