Are LibDems Jumping the Gun?
1TrueNorth
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Their sayin any future UK Gov should have LibDems in It. What happens at the next GE if theres a hung parlaiment with Labour having the lead and UKIP coming third ?
A Labour UKIP coalition might be a little more feasable than a coalition with the Libdem turncoats.
A Labour UKIP coalition might be a little more feasable than a coalition with the Libdem turncoats.
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i'll bet you £1000 that UKIP don't win more seats at the next election than the Lib Dems.
UKIP will be lucky to have more MPs than the green party. That sort of blows your entire thread to pieces if you cant even get that part right.
Can you give even an inkling of which seats UKIP might win?
Apart from its anti-intervention approach to Syria. Also in certain parts of the UK, UKIP are taking votes away from the old Labour vote. Labour were anti-EU long before the Conservatives, and there's still an old Labour vote that supports withdrawl - there's also a Eurosceptic faction in the parliamentary Labour Party.
I'm not a UKIP voter, but they have a chance in Boston and Skegness, plus wherever Farage stands, assuming it's not against the Speaker.
So, a coaltion partner with a maximum of 2 seats. How likely is that?
I think they have a good chance in Eastleigh and maybe in Grimsby after the Latter has UKIP Councillers(sp)
I think in his haste to attack the Lib Dems, 1TrueNorth has jumped the gun himself. I'm not sure we'll see him back in this thread again....
Trying to think of an apt analogy.............perhaps it's like claiming that Churchill's whole strategy in WW2 was aimed at defeating Croatia
It's not impossible, although I think if it came to that the Tories would sooner have a coalition with the DUP.
How do you vote for Nick Clegg to remain the permanent deputy PM anyway?
Last time I looked coalition options didn't appear on a ballot paper.
Then there's that weird non democratic paradox from the party who believe in PR.
They're basically saying that they (as a minority) should be given the opportunity to scupper any manifesto a majority voted for. That's democratic?
My arse.
I applauded Clegg for having the balls to go into the coalition - but that conference speech he just made is all over the place and basically asked the electorate to vote for the other two because he WANTS to come third (how I don't know if you've just declared your own manifesto unfit fot purpose) on the arrogant assumption that his would be the only minority party that could give the winner a working majority.
What a prat.
They are finished.
What majority? You mean 35% of the population majority?
Our democracy is a joke anyway. Whoever we vote for we get the same but with a different colour.
I was thinking of the 65% who in 2010 voted for either Labour or tory manifestos, manifestos that Clegg seems to think he's got a mandate to alter (whichever wins - hence the majority I was refering to) and incorporate ideas from a Lib-Dem manifesto that only polled 25% of the popular vote themselves when their leader's popularity was at an all time high thanks to the debates and they were setting out a case in order to try and win an election.
I'm struggling to see how, 5 years later a much less popular party who are basically asking the electorate to ensure they only come third (somehow) can even win a seat let alone assume they will be appointed kingmaker in a numbers game.
"We are the only party who can see us through this difficult time - but for ****'s sake don't vote for us because we can only achieve it by finishing third" is a strange sales pitch, not least because you can't vote for it.
I'm assuming someone has told Cleggy he lost his AV referendum because that ranking system was about the only way you can tell anyone who you think the third best candidate should be ... :eek:
Yes it is. Though adopting PR would be more democratic!
It's hardly jumping the gun and will be a matter of electoral arithmetic.
IF the LDs are the third largest party AND have enough seats to give whoever has the most seats an overall majority they would the logical first choice for both Labour & Tory to go into coalition with.
Far easier to do this with a single organisation rather than trying to stitch together a rainbow coalition of the N Irish sectarians, Greens, Nats etc....and some of them would be demanding policy neither Labour nor the Tories would want to have to live with or implement.