The problem with these types of programmes is that they are never really balanced.
A programme based on the majority of decent, law abiding, non drinking, non drug taking, struggling benefit claimants wouldn't really make compulsive viewing. I suspect most viewers would find such a programme quite boring.
One BBC programme does try for a little balance, Saints and Scroungers that is on BBC One in the mornings. But even that programme tends to quickly gloss over the "saints", spending only a few minutes telling their stories. The majority of screen time is taken up with the "scroungers".
I don't think it is balanced. It's just another one of these shows packaged in a different way. Still designed to make people angry by showing 'good' people to highlight how bad the other group of people are. As you say, you get one heart-warming tale of one or two people which makes viewers even more angry with the 'bad' people because it makes it seem unfair.
The end result is the same.
It's the unhealthy obsessive focus of these programmes however they're served up to us which is the problem.
The sheer avalanche of these programmes over the last few years is bound to distort people's perception of reality.
If TV advertisements work on the mind then I don't see why people would be any more immune from what they see in the actual TV programmes.
A constant message that these people are good, this other set of people are bad, I don't really see how it can be healthy at all.
No wonder the nhs is going down the pan. foreigners allowed to come into this country and bleed the health system dry even though they've never contributed tot the state. these ppl should never of been allowed into the country in first place unless they were looking to work & claim no benefits.
The problem with these types of programmes is that they are never really balanced.
A programme based on the majority of decent, law abiding, non drinking, non drug taking, struggling benefit claimants wouldn't really make compulsive viewing. I suspect most viewers would find such a programme quite boring.
One BBC programme does try for a little balance, Saints and Scroungers that is on BBC One in the mornings. But even that programme tends to quickly gloss over the "saints", spending only a few minutes telling their stories. The majority of screen time is taken up with the "scroungers".
Yeah the agenda is painfully transparent.
And despite the PMs extensive training in acting like "one of us" he hasn't quite mastered talking to us as if we are not all a bit simple.
Of course there is a huge problem with people intent on living on benefits. Nobody can argue against the need to ensure only those who are genuinely unable to work receive incapacity benefits.
More pressing questions might be, for example, why it was made so easy to get on these disability benefits in the recent past. Or why JSA remained easy to claim long-term for British people while foreigners flooded in to take British jobs.
Executive Producer Jacqui Wilson said: “This programme reinforces the determination of the 'And Proud' series to bring ground-breaking content, unearthing controversial characters and challenging stories that viewers have never have seen before.
"People should watch this programme before jumping to conclusions. Some of its revelations will make people think twice about Gypsies in the UK.”
The second series of 'And Proud' is coming to Channel 5 later this year. It will include programmes on illegal immigrants and football hooligans.
And despite the PMs extensive training in acting like "one of us" he hasn't quite mastered talking to us as if we are not all a bit simple.
Of course there is a huge problem with people intent on living on benefits. Nobody can argue against the need to ensure only those who are genuinely unable to work receive incapacity benefits.
More pressing questions might be, for example, why it was made so easy to get on these disability benefits in the recent past. Or why JSA remained easy to claim long-term for British people while foreigners flooded in to take British jobs.
You might want to ask the last government . Uncontrolled immigration and allowing so many non EU people in here.
OP, you do realise these programmes are created to prove EXACTLY this reaction? How the hell even one person falls for the most painfully obvious propaganda such as a show like this is something I'll never understand.
The people behind them are morally bankrupt and those who watch these programmes believing it to be representative of the majority of benefit claimants are either the most naive, clueless people on the planet, severely lacking in empathy and unwilling to see beyond their own prejudice, or are as thick as pig poo. Maybe a combination of all three.
The whole benefit debate is the same whether gypsies or not..society has changed so much there doesnt seem to be any pride or self respect..
Anger arises when a family are struggling by trying to juggle a job each and just about bringing enough money to live..but having no time together..and another family none works are bringing in the same in benefits and have all the time in the world together..
Just like getting pregnant with just anyone and then someone else and someone else..all I see is lots of messages of Congratulations hun..etc...really?
Im not asking for the world to go backwards and for people to feel shame but it feels sometimes that if you support yourself and family financially..get married,buy a home,have a family..you are actually in the minority and penalised financially for it..
I have teenage sons and have tried to make them see you dont get something for nothing and have to work hard in order to play...hard to instill in the next generation these morals..when those who dont work hard seem just as well off!!!! and there is a bail out around every corner.
Who in their right minds wants to live amongst the Roma, Rotherham and Sheffielders, you have brought hell to your streets, thank **** I don't live in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire.
Wonder why they are earmarked for S.R.S.Y. ?
Don't get me wrong, keep them there, I have enough competition trying to keep my job application quota up and the fortnightly degrading interrogation in order to get my benefits.
Being English is nothing to be proud of anymore.
Some people on these threads lost their humanity a long time ago just like this government has
Maybe we are just tired of being p****d on . Why should we suffer because poor people in another country with no historical links to us, want to come and live here for free ?
There are plenty of Eastern Europeans living in my area. I bear no malice and wish them well in their new life.
That's nice of you . You are lucky they are not trashing the area as the do in most places . Maybe you don't own your own home so you don't really care any way .
Quite...while I might believe our benefit system needs sorting, can we really blame people who migrate for a better life for their families? haven't Brits done that for generations? I have family in Canada, USA,Oz and South Africa. We need to make our systems fair for those who pay in not blame those who are desperate enough to uproot their families and come to a country that will hardly welcomed them.
For these Romas their idea of moving for a better life is coming to UK to get benefits . They have no intention of getting a decent job , having a nice home etc . They just want to take . They are often stealing from shops and the public with in days of arrival . And yet still the loony lefties on this forum defend them and talk about compassion and kindness . These lefties don't care about the people around them , would rather bleat on about sponges from some country the have never even been to .
Congratulations you've fallen for the divide and rule trick. This is how the far right wins votes in working class areas. Tell deprived communities that their hardship is the fault of minimum wage immigrants rather than the millionaire land owning capitalist class who hoard all the wealth and opportunities.
I agree and I'm getting very concerned by the way the media are jumping on the 'subjects of hate' and provoking anger in British people towards them. I mean, it's blatant, now we get the gypsies AND benefit claimants and shown the worst of them. When people get to the point of hate crimes and violence, no doubt the media will have a field day reporting on the thugs doing that. There seems to be no sence of responsibility in the British media, at all>:(
I agree and I'm getting very concerned by the way the media are jumping on the 'subjects of hate' and provoking anger in British people towards them. I mean, it's blatant, now we get the gypsies AND benefit claimants and shown the worst of them. When people get to the point of hate crimes and violence, no doubt the media will have a field day reporting on the thugs doing that. There seems to be no sence of responsibility in the British media, at all>:(
This is the very reason why I don't get a daily newspaper anymore, can people not see the media is deliberately stirring the people of this land into a frenzy. You only have to look at the front page of a paper or see the content of documentaries like this.
Even the narrator seemed to be gloating in his provocative statements.
Sad state of affairs.
I am LIVID !!!!!
I can't say any more than that at the moment because I would be banned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got banned once for telling people what gypsies get up to around here. It was a factual post with no offensive words or terminology. I was simply telling the thruth about the kind of stuff they actually get up to and next thing I know I was sent on holiday and my post was removed.
We all know what goes on but apparently we're not allowed to talk about it.
I got banned once for telling people what gypsies get up to around here. It was a factual post with no offensive words or terminology. I was simply telling the thruth about the kind of stuff they actually get up to and next thing I know I was sent on holiday and my post was removed.
We all know what goes on but apparently we're not allowed to talk about it.
No you're not, because whether you like it or not they are a defined group under the race relations act. It would be the same as putting a post on saying to watch out for black people.
I am LIVID !!!!!
I can't say any more than that at the moment because I would be banned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really wish people would actually provide a link and more detailed explanation, rather than assuming all posters will instantly know what they are on about.
As far as the matter itself is concerned, whilst I wouldn't condone treating these individuals differently to anybody else who enters the country, it is, at the same time, notable how many people from the poorer EU countries want to come here to the UK.
Draw your own conclusions as to why that is. Surely our benefits system is not so radically more generous than those of say, France, Germany, Italy etc ?
I got banned once for telling people what gypsies get up to around here. It was a factual post with no offensive words or terminology. I was simply telling the thruth about the kind of stuff they actually get up to and next thing I know I was sent on holiday and my post was removed.
We all know what goes on but apparently we're not allowed to talk about it.
I've posted many such posts about travellers over the years - totally factual reflections of my own negative experiences - and not even received a warning. So what you say surprises me greatly.
I've posted many such posts about travellers over the years - totally factual reflections of my own negative experiences - and not even received a warning. So what you say surprises me greatly.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe people feel they're not allowed to be critical of travellers, having read loads and loads of posts where people are, well, critical of travellers.
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I don't think it is balanced. It's just another one of these shows packaged in a different way. Still designed to make people angry by showing 'good' people to highlight how bad the other group of people are. As you say, you get one heart-warming tale of one or two people which makes viewers even more angry with the 'bad' people because it makes it seem unfair.
The end result is the same.
It's the unhealthy obsessive focus of these programmes however they're served up to us which is the problem.
The sheer avalanche of these programmes over the last few years is bound to distort people's perception of reality.
If TV advertisements work on the mind then I don't see why people would be any more immune from what they see in the actual TV programmes.
A constant message that these people are good, this other set of people are bad, I don't really see how it can be healthy at all.
Yeah the agenda is painfully transparent.
And despite the PMs extensive training in acting like "one of us" he hasn't quite mastered talking to us as if we are not all a bit simple.
Of course there is a huge problem with people intent on living on benefits. Nobody can argue against the need to ensure only those who are genuinely unable to work receive incapacity benefits.
More pressing questions might be, for example, why it was made so easy to get on these disability benefits in the recent past. Or why JSA remained easy to claim long-term for British people while foreigners flooded in to take British jobs.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/469953/Gypsies-on-Benefits-and-Proud-Romanian-gypsy-aims-to-earn-40-000-on-UK-handouts
Talk about unbiased journalism. rolleyes
You might want to ask the last government . Uncontrolled immigration and allowing so many non EU people in here.
The people behind them are morally bankrupt and those who watch these programmes believing it to be representative of the majority of benefit claimants are either the most naive, clueless people on the planet, severely lacking in empathy and unwilling to see beyond their own prejudice, or are as thick as pig poo. Maybe a combination of all three.
How about Benefits Street?
Ah no, that's already been done and the residents had a right slating both here and in the press, parliament the lot.
These ones can't be spoken about negatively though coz they are a 'minority group'..
Anger arises when a family are struggling by trying to juggle a job each and just about bringing enough money to live..but having no time together..and another family none works are bringing in the same in benefits and have all the time in the world together..
Just like getting pregnant with just anyone and then someone else and someone else..all I see is lots of messages of Congratulations hun..etc...really?
Im not asking for the world to go backwards and for people to feel shame but it feels sometimes that if you support yourself and family financially..get married,buy a home,have a family..you are actually in the minority and penalised financially for it..
I have teenage sons and have tried to make them see you dont get something for nothing and have to work hard in order to play...hard to instill in the next generation these morals..when those who dont work hard seem just as well off!!!! and there is a bail out around every corner.
Wonder why they are earmarked for S.R.S.Y. ?
Don't get me wrong, keep them there, I have enough competition trying to keep my job application quota up and the fortnightly degrading interrogation in order to get my benefits.
Being English is nothing to be proud of anymore.
Maybe we are just tired of being p****d on . Why should we suffer because poor people in another country with no historical links to us, want to come and live here for free ?
That's nice of you . You are lucky they are not trashing the area as the do in most places . Maybe you don't own your own home so you don't really care any way .
For these Romas their idea of moving for a better life is coming to UK to get benefits . They have no intention of getting a decent job , having a nice home etc . They just want to take . They are often stealing from shops and the public with in days of arrival . And yet still the loony lefties on this forum defend them and talk about compassion and kindness . These lefties don't care about the people around them , would rather bleat on about sponges from some country the have never even been to .
I agree and I'm getting very concerned by the way the media are jumping on the 'subjects of hate' and provoking anger in British people towards them. I mean, it's blatant, now we get the gypsies AND benefit claimants and shown the worst of them. When people get to the point of hate crimes and violence, no doubt the media will have a field day reporting on the thugs doing that. There seems to be no sence of responsibility in the British media, at all>:(
This is the very reason why I don't get a daily newspaper anymore, can people not see the media is deliberately stirring the people of this land into a frenzy. You only have to look at the front page of a paper or see the content of documentaries like this.
Even the narrator seemed to be gloating in his provocative statements.
Sad state of affairs.
Contrast them to our leaders and I think it is a very different story regarding truth.
So you've forgotten all the shit Benefits Street got for doing the same thing, then?
I got banned once for telling people what gypsies get up to around here. It was a factual post with no offensive words or terminology. I was simply telling the thruth about the kind of stuff they actually get up to and next thing I know I was sent on holiday and my post was removed.
We all know what goes on but apparently we're not allowed to talk about it.
It was Pigeon Street that got all the shite.
quite. it`s plain wrong.
No you're not, because whether you like it or not they are a defined group under the race relations act. It would be the same as putting a post on saying to watch out for black people.
Regardless,
I sense a lot of mis-placed rage...
I really wish people would actually provide a link and more detailed explanation, rather than assuming all posters will instantly know what they are on about.
As far as the matter itself is concerned, whilst I wouldn't condone treating these individuals differently to anybody else who enters the country, it is, at the same time, notable how many people from the poorer EU countries want to come here to the UK.
Draw your own conclusions as to why that is. Surely our benefits system is not so radically more generous than those of say, France, Germany, Italy etc ?
I've posted many such posts about travellers over the years - totally factual reflections of my own negative experiences - and not even received a warning. So what you say surprises me greatly.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe people feel they're not allowed to be critical of travellers, having read loads and loads of posts where people are, well, critical of travellers.
Laughing at the system is not the same as being honest . These people make a mockery out of us and do it on tv as well .