SNP would block a Conservative minority government

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  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    Ah, so Labour aren't as bad as the Tories then and it was all a sham to win independence votes.

    Interesting u turn there.

    Who said Labour were "as bad" as the Tories? The point your desperate to pretend not to see is that Labour were once a left wing party for the working man, and the SNP have said they want to drag them back to that from their current right wing position. The Tories never were, so no party can drag them back to the left (though UKIP can drag them further to the right)
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    steveh31 wrote: »
    If you are in Scotland and disagree with what a SNP/Labour coalition did how would you change it?

    No other party has the capability in Scotland to come close to these two.

    That will be the dilemma for all Scots voters. Vote Labour get SNP, vote SNP get Labour. They will also have to work together nicely in Holyrood too I imagine but the opposite way around with the SNP being the major player.

    Maybe Jim Murphy will get to be deputy FM:)
  • BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    That will be the dilemma for all Scots voters. Vote Labour get SNP, vote SNP get Labour. They will also have to work together nicely in Holyrood too I imagine but the opposite way around with the SNP being the major player.

    Maybe Jim Murphy will get to be deputy FM:)

    I could mean that Scottish labour has to become more than the North Britain branch of the Labour Party
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    I could mean that Scottish labour has to become more than the North Britain branch of the Labour Party

    You could mean anything? Does that mean that there is a Glasgow branch of the Labour Party too and a North British conservative branch.

    What and where is North Britian exactly, where does it start?

    Finally, why do you run down Labour when your hoping to jump into bed with them after the GE?
  • BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    You could mean anything? Does that mean that there is a Glasgow branch of the Labour Party too and a North British conservative branch.

    What and where is North Britian exactly, where does it start?

    Finally, why do you run down Labour when your hoping to jump into bed with them after the GE?

    It means, quite simply, that Scotish labour would have to become an autonomous entity that is linked to the wider labour movement but is not controlled by them.
  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    It means, quite simply, that Scotish labour would have to become an autonomous entity that is linked to the wider labour movement but is not controlled by them.

    Like the Greens? Seems sensible, but very upsetting to those who see Scotland as no more than a glorified city
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    It means, quite simply, that Scotish labour would have to become an autonomous entity that is linked to the wider labour movement but is not controlled by them.

    Why would they have to do that? It's like saying the SNP branch in Glasgow can't be controlled by Nicola or that Westminster MPs would need their own branch?

    Why do labour and the Tories have to insert the word Scottish into their titles to make them electable in Scotland? I've noticed a trend for this in recent years though. Things like the Scottish Sun etc.

    I wonder why we Scots like the word Scotland in things?

    Anyways, you didn't say where North Britian started.
  • BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    Why would they have to do that? It's like saying the SNP branch in Glasgow can't be controlled by Nicola or that Westminster MPs would need their own branch?

    Why do labour and the Tories have to insert the word Scottish into their titles to make them electable in Scotland? I've noticed a trend for this in recent years though. Things like the Scottish Sun etc.

    I wonder why we Scots like the word Scotland in things?

    Anyways, you didn't say where North Britian started.

    Scotland in the title would only be a signifier to show that it was separate from the Labour Party in the rest of the UK.
  • BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    Alex Salmond is a Legend.

    When Cameron walked out after the referendum and gave his EVEL speech, he handed Salmond a Saltire coloured wrecking ball, and can he ever swing it.

    With one swing he's wrecked Jim Murphy's claim that the biggest party will always form the government, he's wrecked Labour's age old rhetoric vote SNP get Tory. He's showing Westminster how politics really work, not the pathetic Tory cartoon showing Miliband doing a Highland jig to Salmonds flute. Truth is Salmond has them all dancing a merry jig.

    Cameron was way to cocky with his victory speech that day, his words only confirming what the Yes movement were saying all along Westminster can't be trusted the Tories can't be trusted. The speech also proved Labour who stood with those Tories couldn't be trusted. Only the SNP will stand up for Scotland, hence the Yes movement flocked to its parties banner.

    Surely the greatest politician this island has ever produced has Westminster rattling before he's even got a foot in its door. Salmond has more charisma in one sock than all the Westminster parties put together. He's got all of Scotland invigorated with politics and now he's doing it for you guys down south. For gods sake enjoy the man while he's here, he'll be a long time gone.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    Is BillyJamesT the Scottish equivalent of Sun Tzu?
  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    Salmond is reeling them in at PMQs and he's not even elected yet. Hi-larious!

    I reckon he will act in a near maverick way if he gets in to Westminster. It will be measured not to cause embarrassment or harm to Sturgeon though. He'll more than ruffle a few feathers and is already doing so much harm to Labour.

    Being hyped up in the media works in politics for a number of reasons. It provides a huge platform to sell your party, it reinforces the message that everyone else is failing and it wins you the votes of the glory hunting bandwagon jumpers who vote to be right. Salmond clearly understands this, as he actually complained about it happening to UKIP in the Euro elections.

    Sturgeon seems to be doing a good job of using the exposure to gain admirers and sell an SNP that she's taken in a slightly different direction from Salmond. If Samond's final boss level trolling helps sustain that exposure, nae harm done.
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    Alex Salmond is a Legend.

    When Cameron walked out after the referendum and gave his EVEL speech, he handed Salmond a Saltire coloured wrecking ball, and can he ever swing it.

    With one swing he's wrecked Jim Murphy's claim that the biggest party will always form the government, he's wrecked Labour's age old rhetoric vote SNP get Tory. He's showing Westminster how politics really work, not the pathetic Tory cartoon showing Miliband doing a Highland jig to Salmonds flute. Truth is Salmond has them all dancing a merry jig.

    Cameron was way to cocky with his victory speech that day, his words only confirming what the Yes movement were saying all along Westminster can't be trusted the Tories can't be trusted. The speech also proved Labour who stood with those Tories couldn't be trusted. Only the SNP will stand up for Scotland, hence the Yes movement flocked to its parties banner.

    Surely the greatest politician this island has ever produced has Westminster rattling before he's even got a foot in its door. Salmond has more charisma in one sock than all the Westminster parties put together. He's got all of Scotland invigorated with politics and now he's doing it for you guys down south. For gods sake enjoy the man while he's here, he'll be a long time gone.

    Now tell us what you really think of the man:D

    All I see is a sad man shambling around London trying desperately to sell his wee book, now half price at Amazon.

    If anything Sturgeon will probably be plotting to get rid of him forever as he is becoming an embarrassment to her lately. Nothing worse than the old Boss shambling about bitter about being deposed.

    After over twenty years in charge of the SNP he looks fuming that he can't lead them at their highest point ever.
  • Scalper JackScalper Jack Posts: 4,733
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    You could mean anything? Does that mean that there is a Glasgow branch of the Labour Party too and a North British conservative branch.

    Apparently. :p

    - “This is London Labour running Glasgow Labour,” said one disgruntled [Labour] councillor."

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labour-faces-backlash-over-shake-up-of-councillors.15109909
  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    Now tell us what you really think of the man:D

    All I see is a sad man shambling around London trying desperately to sell his wee book, now half price at Amazon.

    If anything Sturgeon will probably be plotting to get rid of him forever as he is becoming an embarrassment to her lately. Nothing worse than the old Boss shambling about bitter about being deposed.

    After over twenty years in charge of the SNP he looks fuming that he can't lead them at their highest point ever.

    ^ Edited for extra seethe, and even a murder plot lol. :D Ah, to think the defeated man who stepped down on the 19th whilst Labour and the Tories danced the tango through the streets of Edinburgh now has Unionist's bum holes twitching like rabbits noses.

    Think your mission was accomplished right there, BillyJamesT!
  • TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,404
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    Election silly season is in full swing

    Yes, there have been numerous this or that speculation threads and it's all a bit pointless really because the election hasn't yet taken place! All that can be really said is that the coalition or single party minority arrangement that can command a majority in the House of Commons is the one that will form the government.

    Personally, I would be quite happy to Alex da Salmond turf the out of touch millionaire Bullingdon toffs out of 10 and 11 Downing Street.
  • BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    Capparwire wrote: »
    ^ Edited for extra seethe, and even a murder plot lol. :D Ah, to think the defeated man who stepped down on the 19th whilst Labour and the Tories danced the tango through the streets of Edinburgh now has Unionist's bum holes twitching like rabbits noses.

    Think your mission was accomplished right there, BillyJamesT!

    It must be absolutely gutting, to find Salmond unleashed from his First Ministers restraints has taken the fight to London in spectacular fashion.
  • mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    all I see is a guy who blew it when he had the chance to fulfil his main mission in life now desperately trying to keep himself in the limelight by pretending to be more important than he actually is
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    It must be absolutely gutting, to find Salmond unleashed from his First Ministers restraints has taken the fight to London in spectacular fashion.

    What must be gutting for him is that after 20 years as the main man he's now reduced to scaremongering, something he'd never do, and peddling his wee book.

    Sturgeon would do well to be finally rid of him so that SHE can get on with running the party. He reminds me of sad Gordon Brown in 2010.

    His day in the sun is fast fading and if he hadn't walked he would have been pushed by now and by the way he's been touting himself around lately he hates it.
  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    What must be gutting for him is that after 20 years as the main man he's now reduced to scaremongering, something he'd never do, and peddling his wee book.

    Sturgeon would do well to be finally rid of him so that SHE can get on with running the party. He reminds me of sad Gordon Brown in 2010.

    His day in the sun is fast fading and if he hadn't walked he would have been pushed by now and by the way he's been touting himself around lately he hates it.

    ^ Trying too hard - Billy is much better at this lark. Are you still suggesting Nic is trying to murder him or otherwise "remove him forever" by means foul or fair lol
  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    It must be absolutely gutting, to find Salmond unleashed from his First Ministers restraints has taken the fight to London in spectacular fashion.

    It's almost sad to see one of the "winners" of the ref reduced to trying desperately to kick out at salmond because he's doing such a good job winding them up. Almost. They're just not equipped - Eck's pretty much a master of the art of winding people up until they break down into angry, seething messes - what chance do these relative noobs have lol.
  • geemonkeegeemonkee Posts: 2,720
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    all I see is a guy who blew it when he had the chance to fulfil his main mission in life now desperately trying to keep himself in the limelight by pretending to be more important than he actually is
    What must be gutting for him is that after 20 years as the main man he's now reduced to scaremongering, something he'd never do, and peddling his wee book.

    Sturgeon would do well to be finally rid of him so that SHE can get on with running the party. He reminds me of sad Gordon Brown in 2010.

    His day in the sun is fast fading and if he hadn't walked he would have been pushed by now and by the way he's been touting himself around lately he hates it.

    The people that seem to be most responsible for Salmond being in the limelight are the London media and the Tories with their dumb adverts and mentioning him at recent PMQ's.

    As for Sturgeon, Salmond is akin to an enforcer. He delivers the messages down south, keeps the attention of her and takes most of the flak and criticism in which he seems to almost revel. It's working to good effect.
  • CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    geemonkee wrote: »
    The people that seem to be most responsible for Salmond being in the limelight are the London media and the Tories with their dumb adverts and mentioning him at recent PMQ's.

    As for Sturgeon, Salmond is akin to an enforcer. He delivers the messages down south, keeps the attention of her and takes most of the flak and criticism in which he seems to almost revel. It's working to good effect.

    It's good cop bad cop stuff IMO. Salmond attracts the negative attention from the angry unionists, whilst keeping the SNP relevant and in the spotlight. Meanwhile, Nicola reaps the benefits of her party's increased media attention by being personable enough to welcome in all the new recruits who want to be part of the action.

    The best thing, ironically that Unionists could do is completely refuse to talk about or give them attention, denying them the oxygen of publicity. Instead, they might as well shout "VOTE SNP" from the rooftops with their constant attention and tendency to run down Scotland in their increasingly desperate and angry anti-SNP rants.

    Thankfully they're completely incapable of doing this ;)
  • geemonkeegeemonkee Posts: 2,720
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    Capparwire wrote: »
    It's good cop bad cop stuff IMO. Salmond attracts the negative attention from the angry unionists, whilst keeping the SNP relevant and in the spotlight. Meanwhile, Nicola reaps the benefits of her party's increased media attention by being personable enough to welcome in all the new recruits who want to be part of the action.

    The best thing, ironically that Unionists could do is completely refuse to talk about or give them attention, denying them the oxygen of publicity. Instead, they might as well shout "VOTE SNP" from the rooftops with their constant attention and tendency to run down Scotland in their increasingly desperate and angry anti-SNP rants.

    Thankfully they're completely incapable of doing this ;)

    BIB - The proverb about giving people enough rope to hang themselves comes to mind. The Tories response of saying the SNP were "trying to sabotage the democratic will of the British people" is a great example. Us Scots are supposed to be British too, what happened to that then...
  • OrriOrri Posts: 9,470
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    It means, quite simply, that Scotish labour would have to become an autonomous entity that is linked to the wider labour movement but is not controlled by them.

    They can't do that as from then on it's unlikely that "Labour" would ever have the most seats. Before 1964 that was the state of play with the various "independent" parties that made up the Conservative block in Westminster. Any pretense at autonomy by "Scottish Labour" fails given their insistence on the "fact" that it's always been the largest party that governs.
  • HildaonplutoHildaonpluto Posts: 37,696
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    Any SNP mp is democratically elected so how is it illegitmet for them to support or not support any particular policy or party in parliament?
    We live in PARLIAMENTARY democracy not a system were the biggest party that doesn't command enough support to get a majority- feeling that an impediment by other elected mps to them getting all their ideas passed into law as an affront and outrageous action against their democratic right to govern as they wish.
    No its simply a Parliamentary democratic system at work.
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