Liverpool Supporters Thread (Part 10)

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  • PictoPicto Posts: 24,270
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    I notice that Liverpool are currently restructuring behind the scenes.

    "Ayre has also revealed how the responsibilities previously held by Comolli could be split between several appointments in future.

    "The idea is rather than one person being responsible for all the elements Damien's role took on, we will divide up the responsibilities," Ayre said.

    "We will have a slightly different structure so there will be two or three positions within that. Running a big football club is a big challenge. It's evident we need to focus on each area with a specialist who will deliver value in each area."

    So, they're trying to create a structure where the manager doesn't have to focus on much more than working with the first team. The manager will still have input in other areas but there will be a team in place to help him out.

    This is a very European model.

    I wonder if this will affect what manager we will appoint.
  • SweetlikeheavenSweetlikeheaven Posts: 5,035
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    Picto wrote: »
    I notice that Liverpool are currently restructuring behind the scenes.

    "Ayre has also revealed how the responsibilities previously held by Comolli could be split between several appointments in future.

    "The idea is rather than one person being responsible for all the elements Damien's role took on, we will divide up the responsibilities," Ayre said.

    "We will have a slightly different structure so there will be two or three positions within that. Running a big football club is a big challenge. It's evident we need to focus on each area with a specialist who will deliver value in each area."

    So, they're trying to create a structure where the manager doesn't have to focus on much more than working with the first team. The manager will still have input in other areas but there will be a team in place to help him out.

    This is a very European model.

    I wonder if this will affect what manager we will appoint.
    Rafa always wanted total control, so I guess this is the main reason why he's not being considered
  • AmbassadorAmbassador Posts: 22,332
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    Richie1001 wrote: »
    SSN have no idea what's going on and so are just making things up!

    Seem to be on the ball so far.

    And those 12....well, they could speak to Guardiola, Mourinho and Fergie and there's 3 out of the way. Being pedantic.

    12 candidates seems more like....

    We haven't got a clue what or who we want.
  • TombstoneTombstone Posts: 2,578
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    Picto wrote: »
    I notice that Liverpool are currently restructuring behind the scenes.

    "Ayre has also revealed how the responsibilities previously held by Comolli could be split between several appointments in future.

    "The idea is rather than one person being responsible for all the elements Damien's role took on, we will divide up the responsibilities," Ayre said.

    "We will have a slightly different structure so there will be two or three positions within that. Running a big football club is a big challenge. It's evident we need to focus on each area with a specialist who will deliver value in each area."

    So, they're trying to create a structure where the manager doesn't have to focus on much more than working with the first team. The manager will still have input in other areas but there will be a team in place to help him out.

    This is a very European model.

    I wonder if this will affect what manager we will appoint.


    The European model of 'We buy the players and you just get on and coach them'. This usually leads to the 'magic roundabout' effect of coach changes every couple of years if success is not instant.
  • misawa97misawa97 Posts: 11,579
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    Remember Juve appointed a Serie B coach and went on to win Serie A going the season unbeaten,

    I aint saying martinez would be #1 choice but I think people need to look beyond his wigan career and realise its about the man as well and he may we tick all the boxes required by FSG.
  • SweetlikeheavenSweetlikeheaven Posts: 5,035
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    Tombstone wrote: »
    The European model of 'We buy the players and you just get on and coach them'. This usually leads to the 'magic roundabout' effect of coach changes every couple of years if success is not instant.
    Except it wouldn't matter too much

    There'd be a philosophy implemented within the club, so you'd bring in a new manager, who could continue where the previous left off

    Look at Barcelona for example. Guardiola has gone and yet they didn't feel the need to bring in a big name manager. They'll still continue to play the same way they have been, but simply with a new coach in charge

    Whereas, under Kenny we didn't have that. One week it'd be 4-4-2 and the next it'd be 4-5-1. I doubt any Liverpool fan could say what our style of play was like. Best suited to playing with Carroll or without ?
  • TombstoneTombstone Posts: 2,578
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    Except it wouldn't matter too much

    There'd be a philosophy implemented within the club, so you'd bring in a new manager, who could continue where the previous left off

    Look at Barcelona for example. Guardiola has gone and yet they didn't feel the need to bring in a big name manager. They'll still continue to play the same way they have been, but simply with a new coach in charge

    Whereas, under Kenny we didn't have that. One week it'd be 4-4-2 and the next it'd be 4-5-1. I doubt any Liverpool fan could say what our style of play was like. Best suited to playing with Carroll or without ?


    There is a philosophy implemented at Old Trafford which, one might argue, is just as successful whilst being totally opposite to the one you describe.

    I think the problem is that once you settle on a 'philosophy', you must have the balls to stick to it. Unfortunately in this modern era, autocracy seems to be frowned upon.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,649
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    Tombstone wrote: »
    There is a philosophy implemented at Old Trafford which, one might argue, is just as successful whilst being totally opposite to the one you describe.

    I think the problem is that once you settle on a 'philosophy', you must have the balls to stick to it. Unfortunately in this modern era, autocracy seems to be frowned upon.

    Which has been implemented and fine tuned over a quarter of a century. Ferguson and Wenger will be the last of a breed of manager who get the luxury of time to put things in place over a number of years. Unless the finance does start to fall out at the top of the game , which might force clubs to be more patient.
  • PictoPicto Posts: 24,270
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    Which has been implemented and fine tuned over a quarter of a century. Ferguson and Wenger will be the last of a breed of manager who get the luxury of time to put things in place over a number of years. Unless the finance does start to fall out at the top of the game , which might force clubs to be more patient.

    I also wonder what would happen to these clubs when Fergie and Wenger leave. They are both now so entwined into the fabric of the clubs that they will be almost inpossible to replace.
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    Picto wrote: »
    I also wonder what would happen to these clubs when Fergie and Wenger leave. They are both now so entwined into the fabric of the clubs that they will be almost inpossible to replace.

    Utds support seem to think that the Fergie structure has worked so well that it will progress naturally to his successor. You still don't know until a new man arrives how he's going to come across to the players though. The same will be the case when AW leaves Arsenal.

    If you're relying on structures which have served a club well and it continues to succeed then all well and good. There may well be a certain amount of ego in a lot of managers who are obviously driven men. Which means they won't follow everything to the letter that's left by those they succeed. For fear of just being a yes man to the previous bosses methods.
  • TombstoneTombstone Posts: 2,578
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    Picto wrote: »
    I also wonder what would happen to these clubs when Fergie and Wenger leave. They are both now so entwined into the fabric of the clubs that they will be almost inpossible to replace.

    We learnt our lesson many years ago with an 'idol'.

    I said in one statement when Mr Dalgleish was appointed that he would be 'Liverpools' Matt Busby'. I was widely derided at the time, but I can claim that to some extent that he is.

    When SAF leaves, he will leave. His influence at the club will cease, his memory of course will not.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,649
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    Tombstone wrote: »
    We learnt our lesson many years ago with an 'idol'.

    I said in one statement when Mr Dalgleish was appointed that he would be 'Liverpools' Matt Busby'. I was widely derided at the time, but I can claim that to some extent that he is.

    When SAF leaves, he will leave. His influence at the club will cease, his memory of course will not.

    Which idol did you have in charge , as I'm not too aware of your clubs history.
  • Unigal07Unigal07 Posts: 22,326
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    We just can't win really can we with the likes of Ambassador on here. Rodgers turns the interview down, and it's "embarrassing". Yet if we interviewed him it'd be "that's the only type of manager you can attract" etc. Ridiculous.
  • Richie1001Richie1001 Posts: 8,217
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    Unigal07 wrote: »
    We just can't win really can we with the likes of Ambassador on here. Rodgers turns the interview down, and it's "embarrassing". Yet if we interviewed him it'd be "that's the only type of manager you can attract" etc. Ridiculous.

    I also don't think there is anything embarrassing about being turned down.

    We (all apparently) approached him for an interview, he said "no thanks, happy where I am."

    Not sure quite why that's seen as such a bad thing.
  • TombstoneTombstone Posts: 2,578
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    Which idol did you have in charge , as I'm not too aware of your clubs history.

    Busby. He never really left the club after stepping down. His presence haunted several managers that had to follow him. The relationship forged by a combination of Munich and the '68 win meant that many of the players only related to him and would go to him above the head of the incumbent manager.

    Disaster within the club. Man who held the club together throughout the disaster. Held huge respect of everyone, but hung on too long?

    Familiar?
  • SweetlikeheavenSweetlikeheaven Posts: 5,035
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    Richie1001 wrote: »
    I also don't think there is anything embarrassing about being turned down.

    We (all apparently) approached him for an interview, he said "no thanks, happy where I am."

    Not sure quite why that's seen as such a bad thing.
    He probably thought he didn't have much chance if as many as 12 managers were going to be interviewed, so thought it'd be pointless risking his relationship with the Swansea owner/fans over it

    Whereas, Dave Whelan was practically pushing Roberto Martinez out of the door

    For that reason I don't think we'll get many managers that are in current jobs being interviewed
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,649
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    Tombstone wrote: »
    Busby. He never really left the club after stepping down. His presence haunted several managers that had to follow him. The relationship forged by a combination of Munich and the '68 win meant that many of the players only related to him and would go to him above the head of the incumbent manager.

    Disaster within the club. Man who held the club together throughout the disaster. Held huge respect of everyone, but hung on too long?

    Familiar?

    Fair enough , I just questioned who it was due to assuming it was somebody who'd succeeded as a player at Old Trafford to and then as the boss.
    There are similarities and the reason there has been some backlash to FSGs decision is the fact that the link to the Shankly era has finally ended. Even though he had a gap of 20 years between taking the job again , many thought he had unfinished business to attend to , mainly getting us back as title challengers one day and to win in Europe again.

    Not to be now though and I think it's wise for FSG to be changing the whole structure of the club in light of all the recent departures.
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    He probably thought he didn't have much chance if as many as 12 managers were going to be interviewed, so thought it'd be pointless risking his relationship with the Swansea owner/fans over it

    Whereas, Dave Whelan was practically pushing Roberto Martinez out of the door

    For that reason I don't think we'll get many managers that are in current jobs being interviewed

    Now that could be an embarrassment, Dave Whelan selecting our new manager for us by giving us his cast offs! :eek:
  • Richie1001Richie1001 Posts: 8,217
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    To put another spin on it - I currently work for a fairly small company and recently a very large (and well known) company approached me and asked me to come and meet with them about a role they wanted me to come and do for them.

    I didn't go as I, for a number of reasons, liked where I am. Does that mean the company that approached me should be embarrassed?
  • SweetlikeheavenSweetlikeheaven Posts: 5,035
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    For anyone already missing Kenny..

    He's managing the Rest of the world team again for Soccer Aid next weekend with Ian Rush as his assistant. Sunday evening on ITV

    I think there's still a few more tickets available if anyone wants to go. It's at Old Trafford
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    For anyone already missing Kenny..

    He's managing the Rest of the world team again for Soccer Aid next weekend with Ian Rush as his assistant. Sunday evening on ITV

    I think there's still a few more tickets available if anyone wants to go. It's at Old Trafford

    It'll be ironic if the only piece of silverware paraded around old Trafford in 2012 is for a team with Kenny at the helm:D
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    Are the proceeds of Soccer aid going to Man U this year to pay off some of their debt then?
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    bowland37 wrote: »
    Are the proceeds of Soccer aid going to Man U this year to pay off some of their debt then?

    I think they're keeping a bit aside to send Ashley Young to the Olympic diving finals and fine tune his technique for next season.
  • MeicYMeicY Posts: 2,585
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    Rodgers logic is impeccable. Stay in Swansea South Wales, a lovely seaside city with several miles of beaches, managing a club with mid-table expectations and a loyal passionate but understanding fanbase, with a manageable budget. Or take on the Liverpool job.

    With Martinez it's simpler. Leave Wigan behind as quick as his Alfa Romeo will take him.
  • SweetlikeheavenSweetlikeheaven Posts: 5,035
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    It'll be ironic if the only piece of silverware paraded around old Trafford in 2012 is for a team with Kenny at the helm:D
    :D

    The England manager is Sam Allardyce. No competition
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