It's a pity the writers haven't allowed Mick and Linda to settle in a lot more before they unleashed the infidelity, lying, cheating and sexual shenanigans.
Great episode I thought, Bianca surprisingly mature over Whitney staying, can't see her reacting the same way to Liam. Brilliant scenes with Sharon and Linda, both will be regretting that on Thursday no doubt, hope it's not foreshadowing Sharon not believing her about Dean raping her. Good scene with Aunt Babe and Stan as well, I really hope the Sylvie storyline heats up soon, I want more than just Babe talking to herself.
I really don't see the joy in coming into threads about a soap you've claimed many times you've stopped watching/no longer like just to make little digs all the time. So pointless.
The idea that Phil feels anything for Shirley is laughable. Tonight he discovered the love of his life (Sharon) has betrayed and rejected him, so he turned to reliable, desperate old Shirley for comfort sex; she will always be hanging around him like a bad smell.
It's a pity the writers haven't allowed Mick and Linda to settle in a lot more before they unleashed the infidelity, lying, cheating and sexual shenanigans.
It's Den and Angie stuff all over again.
Really? I thought he's given them a lot of time to settle in.
only up to phil admitting that sharon has been stealing from him - but for someone who was blackmailing him and her son - Shirley's forgiven him pretty quickly :rolleyes:
only up to phil admitting that sharon has been stealing from him - but for someone who was blackmailing him and her son - Shirley's forgiven him pretty quickly :rolleyes:
Shirl is easy full stop, she so obsessed with Philth she forgive him for anything, doormat occupancy will resume shortly.
The idea that Phil feels anything for Shirley is laughable. Tonight he discovered the love of his life (Sharon) has betrayed and rejected him, so he turned to reliable, desperate old Shirley for comfort sex; she will always be hanging around him like a bad smell.
I think he loves them both, he did go to Shirley first at Christmas and proposed to Sharon originally out of guilt...
I hope Nancy doesn't doubt Linda when Dean attacks her.....
Same. They were definitely laying some groundwork tonight for the rape itself, and as I said earlier in the thread I think that some people will take Sharon's attitude of "It takes two to tango". I just hope wonderful feminist Nancy isn't one of them. I would hate that.
So, it's happened. Phil and Shirley are now an item. But, you know, it could be worse. Phil's not sleeping with Shirley because he loves her more than Sharon. He's doing it, simply, because he can. Sharon's hurt him. And Shirley's there. As always.
Phil showed all his annoying side tonight. He's got noone to blame but himself for this. Sharon had forgiven him for Dennis, deciding it was time to move on and try to build a life without him. She's going after him now because he hurt her, again, simply because he could. I do find it interesting how they seem to have forgotten that Marcus didn't act alone when he stole the Mitchell Empire. Dirty Den Watts helped. In fact, it was his and Chrissie's idea. It is good, however, to see that Phil's confession back in January has had long lasting repercussions.
Sharon was just awful tonight, and if I'm honest, it was just... wrong. That snotty, snooty way she spoke to Linda could so easily have been Tanya Branning it actually was infuriating. Tanya would have spoken to someone like that in a heart beat. Sharon wouldn't. Once again, a writer who seems to think Tanya and Sharon are one and the same. Yep, it showed that both Sharon and Linda are living a lie. But by God, Sharon telling Nancy that her mother had cheated on her dad with Dean was just plain disgusting. A nice way to make us hate her and want to route for Phil and Shirley. Ah me. So obvious.
Whitney and Lee. Sodding Whitney and Lee. I laughed out loud and how Whitney is scared she'll get hurt, when 9 times out of 10 she's the one doing the hurting. These two are a match made in hell; Whitney is a little skank who can't control herself, and Lee is a lovestruck moron who'll fall in love with the first girl he sees, desperate to emulate his mum and dad's "perfect" relationship. But, that's not what's being painted here. They think it's a lovely, beautiful love story, that we all want to see happen. It's not. There is, literally, nothing to see here. Whitney and/or Lee will cheat, arguments will happen, and that will be it. The only way this will be in any way interesting is if one of them cops it.
Dean intrigues me. He's utterly obsessed with Linda. When he rapes her, I got the impression tonight people may think it's consensual because they're going to think she kissed him before. This storyline has potential to be brilliant. Please don't muck it up.
No Lauren tonight, but don't worry! We've been assured she'll be around for the 30th, by that time extremely heavily pregnant. Yet another baby storyline on the way. Two of the worst things about the show (Lauren and baby plots) stuffed together. Oh, goody.
I will be watching later but this all sounds horrible - Sharon back to dumb bitch mode just in time for Australopithecus to get his end away with Shirley.
They both deserve far better than this scumbag - two characters ruined again by TPTB just to make Philth look good.
Disappointed in Shazza tonight. Hope she supports Linda when she learns of the rape, but it seems like she's going to have a lot on her plate herself..
Shirley - she's as predictable as night following day. She really is a pathetic woman, on what messed up planet does Phil 'deserve better' than a woman whom ended up in a coma because of him, amongst his countless other misdemeanours?!
Same. They were definitely laying some groundwork tonight for the rape itself, and as I said earlier in the thread I think that some people will take Sharon's attitude of "It takes two to tango". I just hope wonderful feminist Nancy isn't one of them. I would hate that.
I hope to god they don't do that her kids should be the ones who do believe her, as a daughter regardless of being a daddy's girl would always believe there mother especially when they have the family set up they do, there not from a broken home and Linda's not a bad mother a bit highly strung but she not horrible nor would she lie about rape so for them to doubt her would be soul destroying imo.
I liked the Shirley who turned him down, I hate it when they have her all lame over him!! Dammit Eastenders! Sort it out!
Yeah, I did get the feeling that he was but I do think he cares somewhere...if that makes sense?
I see what you mean, he does care about Shirley in a way. He's shown that throughout the year. But while he might care and there is a certain amount of feelings between the characters, Phil is using Shirley, as he knows he can play her like a fiddle. But then he's not very good at treating women properly.
So, it's happened. Phil and Shirley are now an item. But, you know, it could be worse. Phil's not sleeping with Shirley because he loves her more than Sharon. He's doing it, simply, because he can. Sharon's hurt him. And Shirley's there. As always.
Sharon was just awful tonight, and if I'm honest, it was just... wrong. That snotty, snooty way she spoke to Linda could so easily have been Tanya Branning it actually was infuriating. Tanya would have spoken to someone like that in a heart beat. Sharon wouldn't. Once again, a writer who seems to think Tanya and Sharon are one and the same. Yep, it showed that both Sharon and Linda are living a lie. But by God, Sharon telling Nancy that her mother had cheated on her dad with Dean was just plain disgusting. A nice way to make us hate her and want to route for Phil and Shirley. Ah me. So obvious.
Whitney and Lee. Sodding Whitney and Lee. I laughed out loud and how Whitney is scared she'll get hurt, when 9 times out of 10 she's the one doing the hurting.
No Lauren tonight, but don't worry! We've been assured she'll be around for the 30th, by that time extremely heavily pregnant. Yet another baby storyline on the way. Two of the worst things about the show (Lauren and baby plots) stuffed together. Oh, goody.
Great post lordo, particularly the parts I've highlighted. Agree with every word.
I see what you mean, he does care about Shirley in a way. He's shown that throughout the year. But while he might care and there is a certain about of feelings between the characters, Phil is using Shirley, as he knows he can play her like a fiddle. But then he's not very good at treating women properly.
I respectfully disagree.
The sophisticated wit, the intelligence combined with sparkling repartee, the kindness - not to mention the fact he is a total gentleman.
Oh and the grunts, the wheezing, the farts, the two pushes and forcing his partner to sleep in the wet patch - yep Philth is the perfect lover.
Shirley - she's as predictable as night following day. She really is a pathetic woman, on what messed up planet does Phil 'deserve better' than a woman whom ended up in a coma because of him, amongst his countless other misdemeanours?!
I can't believe he is trying with her. You know everything she touches ends in disaster
Same. They were definitely laying some groundwork tonight for the rape itself, and as I said earlier in the thread I think that some people will take Sharon's attitude of "It takes two to tango". I just hope wonderful feminist Nancy isn't one of them. I would hate that.
I completely agree, Nancy is a well-balanced, intelligent and nice young woman. It would be such a shame for her to doubt her mother. We will have to wait and see.
I think she really did! I thought she'd look more relived when it was (obviously) only a pair of earrings. FGS, they've only been together a few weeks *roll eyes*
Wishe Bianca would stop treating Whitney and Liam like kids, she's 21 and he's 16 and if they stay they'd be living with grandma Carol so they're hardly alone
Whitney I totally agree with. Bianca should have had the sense to realise that Whitney has a life in Walford - a job, a boyfriend, friend(s) and a surrogate Granny in Carol so should never have taken it for granted that she'd want to move.
Liam? As a mum I can see why she'd be upset that he doesn't want to move with her (and he is only 16) but he's hardly going to be sitting all alone in a bedsit is he? He'll be with her mum and his sister so he'll be OK and he too will probably want to stay around his mates and stuff at that age. I'm sure after a bit squawking she'll calm down and realise all this but we know what Bianca can be like ....
Why is Shirley always just "there". What does she even do all day except hang around alleyways and stick her nose into people's business.
She seems to have taken over from Ava as the square's resident 'wanderer' doesn't she? Except in Shirley's case she over hears conversations at just the right moment and no one tells her to eff off and mind her own business when she interrogates .... sorry ... asks totally reasonable questions in a polite, smiley and friendly manner.
BIB: And dropping Jay right in it in the process. Phil's probably going to unleash a sh!t storm on him now thanks to Shirley's flappy jaw and desperate need to get into Phil's good books herself.
Sharon and Linda very reminiscent of vintage Pat and Peggy.
Undoubtedly! I think so. I thought they were brilliant, totally hilarious!
Definitely more like 'frenemies' when they've had a drink and get all competitive about who's got the best life!
It wasn't really very passionate was it, the spoilers said he was going to tear her clothes off. You can tell he's just doing it to get back at Sharon.
Yes, he's had two lots of bad news (I was going to say 'blows' but then realised how that would be taken on this thread ).
The major one being Sharon and thinking he's never going to be forgiven for Dennis and then finding out that Jay has been hiding the fact that he's met/been in contact with Ben. He's at a low ebb and while Shirley didn't exactly jump on him she certainly made it clear that she was up for it but I suppose he'll be the b'stard if he rejects her again *roll eyes*
It's a pity the writers haven't allowed Mick and Linda to settle in a lot more before they unleashed the infidelity, lying, cheating and sexual shenanigans.
It's Den and Angie stuff all over again.
It's Walford I tells ya. People seem to live perfectly happy lives but then they move to Walford and it all goes wrong .... Is there a witches curse/hex on the place?!
Great episode I thought, Bianca surprisingly mature over Whitney staying, can't see her reacting the same way to Liam. Brilliant scenes with Sharon and Linda, both will be regretting that on Thursday no doubt, hope it's not foreshadowing Sharon not believing her about Dean raping her. Good scene with Aunt Babe and Stan as well, I really hope the Sylvie storyline heats up soon, I want more than just Babe talking to herself.
I really don't see the joy in coming into threads about a soap you've claimed many times you've stopped watching/no longer like just to make little digs all the time. So pointless.
BIB: I'm hoping it'll do the opposite. That she blames herself for letting the cat out of the bag and telling Nancy so her guilt will make her side with Linda. Linda definitely said 'he kissed me', she never said they kissed which is obviously consensual on both sides. Sharon has definitely stirred the sh!t by misinterpreting the kiss to Nancy (never mind telling her in the first place!) but I'm hoping that that is because she was totally p!ssed and when it's explained to her properly she'll understand.
Either way though, with the high and mighty attitude Sharon is displaying lately I can see HER being the one for a fall.
Sharon was just awful tonight, and if I'm honest, it was just... wrong. That snotty, snooty way she spoke to Linda could so easily have been Tanya Branning it actually was infuriating. Tanya would have spoken to someone like that in a heart beat. Sharon wouldn't. Once again, a writer who seems to think Tanya and Sharon are one and the same. Yep, it showed that both Sharon and Linda are living a lie. But by God, Sharon telling Nancy that her mother had cheated on her dad with Dean was just plain disgusting. A nice way to make us hate her and want to route for Phil and Shirley. Ah me. So obvious.
THAT'S who she was tonight - Tanya. Not the Sharon of old. Seems like they still haven't got a handle on her character. It was amusing but unless Sharon's supposed to have changed a lot it wasn't really Sharon to me.
Interesting point about having her acting like this so we root for Phil and Shirley too.
Great post tonight Lordo, agreed about Whitney too.
Apologies for snipping but I thought this post might be too long if I left it intact, lol!
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It's Den and Angie stuff all over again.
I really don't see the joy in coming into threads about a soap you've claimed many times you've stopped watching/no longer like just to make little digs all the time. So pointless.
Really? I thought he's given them a lot of time to settle in.
Luved drunk Linda and Shazza, the were like two school kids, Linda even sulked like one as Shazza left.
Les and Pam need more screentime, I really like them.
Nancy
Shirl is easy full stop, she so obsessed with Philth she forgive him for anything, doormat occupancy will resume shortly.
I think he loves them both, he did go to Shirley first at Christmas and proposed to Sharon originally out of guilt...
Oh yeah , Peter can remove his top as much as he likes.
Same. They were definitely laying some groundwork tonight for the rape itself, and as I said earlier in the thread I think that some people will take Sharon's attitude of "It takes two to tango". I just hope wonderful feminist Nancy isn't one of them. I would hate that.
Didn't you get the impression he was using her though? She was going on about how she wanted to help him, and he thought yeah you can....
And yes he did go to her at christmas and she didn't want to know! Now she's like a lost puppy chasing after its master.
So, it's happened. Phil and Shirley are now an item. But, you know, it could be worse. Phil's not sleeping with Shirley because he loves her more than Sharon. He's doing it, simply, because he can. Sharon's hurt him. And Shirley's there. As always.
Phil showed all his annoying side tonight. He's got noone to blame but himself for this. Sharon had forgiven him for Dennis, deciding it was time to move on and try to build a life without him. She's going after him now because he hurt her, again, simply because he could. I do find it interesting how they seem to have forgotten that Marcus didn't act alone when he stole the Mitchell Empire. Dirty Den Watts helped. In fact, it was his and Chrissie's idea. It is good, however, to see that Phil's confession back in January has had long lasting repercussions.
Sharon was just awful tonight, and if I'm honest, it was just... wrong. That snotty, snooty way she spoke to Linda could so easily have been Tanya Branning it actually was infuriating. Tanya would have spoken to someone like that in a heart beat. Sharon wouldn't. Once again, a writer who seems to think Tanya and Sharon are one and the same. Yep, it showed that both Sharon and Linda are living a lie. But by God, Sharon telling Nancy that her mother had cheated on her dad with Dean was just plain disgusting. A nice way to make us hate her and want to route for Phil and Shirley. Ah me. So obvious.
Whitney and Lee. Sodding Whitney and Lee. I laughed out loud and how Whitney is scared she'll get hurt, when 9 times out of 10 she's the one doing the hurting. These two are a match made in hell; Whitney is a little skank who can't control herself, and Lee is a lovestruck moron who'll fall in love with the first girl he sees, desperate to emulate his mum and dad's "perfect" relationship. But, that's not what's being painted here. They think it's a lovely, beautiful love story, that we all want to see happen. It's not. There is, literally, nothing to see here. Whitney and/or Lee will cheat, arguments will happen, and that will be it. The only way this will be in any way interesting is if one of them cops it.
Dean intrigues me. He's utterly obsessed with Linda. When he rapes her, I got the impression tonight people may think it's consensual because they're going to think she kissed him before. This storyline has potential to be brilliant. Please don't muck it up.
No Lauren tonight, but don't worry! We've been assured she'll be around for the 30th, by that time extremely heavily pregnant. Yet another baby storyline on the way. Two of the worst things about the show (Lauren and baby plots) stuffed together. Oh, goody.
I liked the Shirley who turned him down, I hate it when they have her all lame over him!! Dammit Eastenders! Sort it out!
Yeah, I did get the feeling that he was but I do think he cares somewhere...if that makes sense?
They both deserve far better than this scumbag - two characters ruined again by TPTB just to make Philth look good.
This is the 'big revenge' storyline?
Yawn.
I do like Lee and Whitney as a couple though.
Shirley - she's as predictable as night following day. She really is a pathetic woman, on what messed up planet does Phil 'deserve better' than a woman whom ended up in a coma because of him, amongst his countless other misdemeanours?!
I hope to god they don't do that her kids should be the ones who do believe her, as a daughter regardless of being a daddy's girl would always believe there mother especially when they have the family set up they do, there not from a broken home and Linda's not a bad mother a bit highly strung but she not horrible nor would she lie about rape so for them to doubt her would be soul destroying imo.
I see what you mean, he does care about Shirley in a way. He's shown that throughout the year. But while he might care and there is a certain amount of feelings between the characters, Phil is using Shirley, as he knows he can play her like a fiddle. But then he's not very good at treating women properly.
Great post lordo, particularly the parts I've highlighted. Agree with every word.
I respectfully disagree.
The sophisticated wit, the intelligence combined with sparkling repartee, the kindness - not to mention the fact he is a total gentleman.
Oh and the grunts, the wheezing, the farts, the two pushes and forcing his partner to sleep in the wet patch - yep Philth is the perfect lover.
I can't believe he is trying with her. You know everything she touches ends in disaster
I completely agree, Nancy is a well-balanced, intelligent and nice young woman. It would be such a shame for her to doubt her mother. We will have to wait and see.
It was more like having two Peggys on screen.....just dreadful.
I think she really did! I thought she'd look more relived when it was (obviously) only a pair of earrings. FGS, they've only been together a few weeks *roll eyes*
You're naughty
Put me right off my fish and chips they did.
Phil and Shirley nearly had me regurgitating them though lol!
Whitney I totally agree with. Bianca should have had the sense to realise that Whitney has a life in Walford - a job, a boyfriend, friend(s) and a surrogate Granny in Carol so should never have taken it for granted that she'd want to move.
Liam? As a mum I can see why she'd be upset that he doesn't want to move with her (and he is only 16) but he's hardly going to be sitting all alone in a bedsit is he? He'll be with her mum and his sister so he'll be OK and he too will probably want to stay around his mates and stuff at that age. I'm sure after a bit squawking she'll calm down and realise all this but we know what Bianca can be like ....
*puts in earplugs*
Yeah Aunt Babe - p!ss off you old trout.
Next time you give my Stan bother you'll have me to deal with >:(
And he wonders why he's got financial problems *roll eyes*
Kat should have whacked him over the head with it.
He only smashes stuff when he's seriously p!ssed off and/or upset.
Sharon doing this to him has REALLY got to him :cool:
She seems to have taken over from Ava as the square's resident 'wanderer' doesn't she? Except in Shirley's case she over hears conversations at just the right moment and no one tells her to eff off and mind her own business when she interrogates .... sorry ... asks totally reasonable questions in a polite, smiley and friendly manner.
Now hey! She didn't steal from Phil, she chose good, honest blackmail
So they're never going to visit Granny Carol again then? Ever?
BIB: And dropping Jay right in it in the process. Phil's probably going to unleash a sh!t storm on him now thanks to Shirley's flappy jaw and desperate need to get into Phil's good books herself.
Undoubtedly!
Definitely more like 'frenemies' when they've had a drink and get all competitive about who's got the best life!
Oh God Sharon. Very disappointed in her for that. Another one with a flappy jaw!
Well I'm not surprised he succumbed. She was practically lying down, covering herself in salt and vinegar and saying 'eat me!'.
The trouble is she's NEVER stopped loving him, even after all that's happened.
ROFL!!!!
LMAO!
Aw, let her have her moment.
Yes, he's had two lots of bad news (I was going to say 'blows' but then realised how that would be taken on this thread
The major one being Sharon and thinking he's never going to be forgiven for Dennis and then finding out that Jay has been hiding the fact that he's met/been in contact with Ben. He's at a low ebb and while Shirley didn't exactly jump on him she certainly made it clear that she was up for it but I suppose he'll be the b'stard if he rejects her again *roll eyes*
It's Walford I tells ya. People seem to live perfectly happy lives but then they move to Walford and it all goes wrong .... Is there a witches curse/hex on the place?!
BIB: I'm hoping it'll do the opposite. That she blames herself for letting the cat out of the bag and telling Nancy so her guilt will make her side with Linda. Linda definitely said 'he kissed me', she never said they kissed which is obviously consensual on both sides. Sharon has definitely stirred the sh!t by misinterpreting the kiss to Nancy (never mind telling her in the first place!) but I'm hoping that that is because she was totally p!ssed and when it's explained to her properly she'll understand.
Either way though, with the high and mighty attitude Sharon is displaying lately I can see HER being the one for a fall.
THAT'S who she was tonight - Tanya. Not the Sharon of old. Seems like they still haven't got a handle on her character. It was amusing but unless Sharon's supposed to have changed a lot it wasn't really Sharon to me.
Interesting point about having her acting like this so we root for Phil and Shirley too.
Great post tonight Lordo, agreed about Whitney too.
Apologies for snipping but I thought this post might be too long if I left it intact, lol!