This is horrible. There so much sadness in the country. At the same time I'm proud to be Glaswegian. We voted yes and stuck to fingers firmly up to Westminster. The solidarity wasn't there across the country as a whole but I'm proud of my city. Scots will have to live with the outcome of their vote. A sad, sad day for Scotland.
Surely Glasgow is totally out of kilter with the rest of Team Scotland that seemed to vote NO?
I'm not sure a socialist vision of Scotland is a viable one these days and speaking directly of Glasgow why was their turn out lower than the rest of the country do you think?
Amongst all the gloating going on, don't forget that the Yes campaign is going to bring constitutional change to these isles.
It has indeed. It may is some perverse way return to bite Salmond on the bum. Cameron/Miiliband/Clegg are the centre of a huge problem now, in that any power given away to Scotland and not being seen given to the rest of us will result in a huge surge for Farage. Any party that needs to cosy up to him will have to promise a straight in/out UK referendum, which may end in Salmond not only losing this debate, but his dream of being in the EU.
It has indeed. It may is some perverse way return to bite Salmond on the bum. Cameron/Miiliband/Clegg are the centre of a huge problem now, in that any power given away to Scotland and not being seen given to the rest of us will result in a huge surge for Farage. Any party that needs to cosy up to him will have to promise a straight in/out UK referendum, which may end in Salmond not only losing this debate, but his dream of being in the EU.
The law of unintended consequences. Who would've thought that a 'No' in the Scottish referendum could've created an English parliament and the end of the Barnett formula.
I agree that Cameron/Clegg/Millipede and now in an almighty mess. It's funny the way they've all been running around this morning, sudden converts to the joys of devolved power across the UK, outraged by the injustice of the West Lothian Question.
It strikes my tired brain this afternoon that a large percentage of users on social media do not understand the word "democracy". Here is the definition of it from the dictionary:-
a system of government in which all the people choose their leaders, or a country with this system
Just in case anyone did not realise what took place yesterday.
It has indeed. It may is some perverse way return to bite Salmond on the bum. Cameron/Miiliband/Clegg are the centre of a huge problem now, in that any power given away to Scotland and not being seen given to the rest of us will result in a huge surge for Farage. Any party that needs to cosy up to him will have to promise a straight in/out UK referendum, which may end in Salmond not only losing this debate, but his dream of being in the EU.
I think UKIP are being overhyped. I honestly can't even see Farage winning a seat let alone several UKIP MPs.
When push comes to shove people stick with what they know. Labour will regain the Lib Dem seats that were lost while the Lib Dems themselves probably won't suffer anywhere near the defeat they are predicted to. People will always vote for the MP that best serves their area and the Lib Dems still hold strong in too many areas.
I have seen him on Youtube & boy does he get carried away for what it's worth now I don't agree with him on this subject, Some of the things he says I do agree with him but not this one.:)
I think UKIP are being overhyped. I honestly can't even see Farage winning a seat let alone several UKIP MPs.
When push comes to shove people stick with what they know. Labour will regain the Lib Dem seats that were lost while the Lib Dems themselves probably won't suffer anywhere near the defeat they are predicted to. People will always vote for the MP that best serves their area and the Lib Dems still hold strong in too many areas.
the UKIP spokesman on the live coverage last night was a disgrace tbh and if he is the standard for the public face of UKIP in the run up to the GE next year then they will be a laughing stock
the UKIP spokesman on the live coverage last night was a disgrace tbh and if he is the standard for the public face of UKIP in the run up to the GE next year then they will be a laughing stock
Exactly. I think people are getting a little bit too carried away! lol
While its true UKIP might pose some problems for the Tories, mainly the deflectors, they won't even come close to harming Labour or the Lib Dems. I'd bet money on it.
I think it was the currency issue that the Scots didn't risk it, Pensions as well IMHO the question might come back in say 10 years time? who knows but for now its not an issue I'm glad it was no, Also for the Labour party if they don't win next May the Scots will vent their anger again & Salmond would love to say I told you so, I for one hope Labour do win but that's for next year.
Yawn, Frankie Boyle calling the no voters all c**ts.. A man of real integrity, I remember the artist taxi driver asking him what he thought of Rupert Murdoch (while he was still writing for the Sun), and he simply said: "He's just a guy who sells papers."
Frankie Boyle there, a man whose opinion can be bought, telling people how to vote...
Be good to see everyone, English, NI's, Scots, Welsh, coming together and taking the fight to our common 'enemy' - Westminster. That's where the the vast majority of the acrimony originates from. The way it operates needs massively overhauled, won't be easy and not everyone will be happy, but it could be a lot, lot better and make it 'better together'.
The socialist/Marxist view of some Scottish people is laughable. They won't be laughing for long if it happened. The majority have no interest in that and don't want nationalisation.
Unless the politicians want to commit political suicide they now HAVE to deliver on their pledge first to Scotland and then to open things up to everyone else because everyone wants to see change and the Westminster elite better get the message once and for all.
Many in England are tired of seeing huge sums spent in London whilst other areas are ignored it cannot go on in the same old way.
Have you worked out the spend per person?
There are over 8 million living in London.
Of course it gets more money.
And that's 8 million living cheek by jowl so more money is needed to make their lives livable. More money is needed to keep the city attractive to tourists and business as so many depend on London's success.
Getting a bit sick of the London bashing. It has it's faults but people seem to be utterly unaware of just how different it is.
How much of the country depends on it, which translates into people, just the same as people in other areas.
It's not even competing with any other city in the UK. It left them far behind years ago. Now it's competition (for it's people) is with all the other international cities. All competing for the money London gets, not from the UK, but internationally.
This is horrible. There so much sadness in the country. At the same time I'm proud to be Glaswegian. We voted yes and stuck to fingers firmly up to Westminster. The solidarity wasn't there across the country as a whole but I'm proud of my city. Scots will have to live with the outcome of their vote. A sad, sad day for Scotland.
How comes proud of Glasgow when it had the lowest turnout?
Doesn't say much for the people when 25% couldn't be bothered to even vote.
The solidarity wasn't even there in Glasgow, let alone having a go at the other regions who turned out much higher voting percentages.
It strikes my tired brain this afternoon that a large percentage of users on social media do not understand the word "democracy". Here is the definition of it from the dictionary:-
a system of government in which all the people choose their leaders, or a country with this system
Just in case anyone did not realise what took place yesterday.
A lot of these sore losers - some of them now on social media wishing cancer and all sorts on the majority No voters - were the very same one who were constantly banging on about how independence would bring true democratic process to Scotland, and were insistent that this was a big part of what this was all about for them, the moral high ground, if you like.
Surprise, surprise, after being defeated by the very democratic process that they so championed, they're backlashing against the majority who disagreed with them. Utter morons and hypocrites, and this vocal minority's true colours of xenophobic and divisive nationalism now laid bare for all to see (btw, by no means are all Yes voters infected by this intolerant and repugnant mindset).
A lot of these sore losers - some of them now on social media wishing cancer and all sorts on the majority No voters - were the very same one who were constantly banging on about how independence would bring true democratic process Scotland, and that was a big part of what this was all about for them.
Surprise, surprise, after being defeated by the very democratic process that they so championed, they're backlashing against the majority who disagreed with them. Utter morons and hypocrites, and this vocal minority's true colours of xenophobic and divisive nationalism now laid bare for all to see (btw, by no means are all Yes voters infected by this intolerant and repugnant mindset).
Link?
Edit: Found it on twitter. Some folk are seriously deluded saying that sort of stuff because they lost.
On a facebook page my daughter showed me this morning, and with several likes to it.
Isolated incident perhaps, and no worse than what Andy Muray is now getting, but what do you think of the main thrust of the post, that these morons are sore losers who advocate the democratic process only when it suits them, and then decry those who use that process to defeat them?
This is horrible. There so much sadness in the country. At the same time I'm proud to be Glaswegian. We voted yes and stuck to fingers firmly up to Westminster. The solidarity wasn't there across the country as a whole but I'm proud of my city. Scots will have to live with the outcome of their vote. A sad, sad day for Scotland.
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Surely Glasgow is totally out of kilter with the rest of Team Scotland that seemed to vote NO?
I'm not sure a socialist vision of Scotland is a viable one these days and speaking directly of Glasgow why was their turn out lower than the rest of the country do you think?
Where he/she has a huge shock awaiting her/him.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11108848/Scottish-Referendum-My-Barnett-Formula-needs-to-be-tackled-now.html
It has indeed. It may is some perverse way return to bite Salmond on the bum. Cameron/Miiliband/Clegg are the centre of a huge problem now, in that any power given away to Scotland and not being seen given to the rest of us will result in a huge surge for Farage. Any party that needs to cosy up to him will have to promise a straight in/out UK referendum, which may end in Salmond not only losing this debate, but his dream of being in the EU.
The law of unintended consequences. Who would've thought that a 'No' in the Scottish referendum could've created an English parliament and the end of the Barnett formula.
I agree that Cameron/Clegg/Millipede and now in an almighty mess. It's funny the way they've all been running around this morning, sudden converts to the joys of devolved power across the UK, outraged by the injustice of the West Lothian Question.
a system of government in which all the people choose their leaders, or a country with this system
Just in case anyone did not realise what took place yesterday.
I think UKIP are being overhyped. I honestly can't even see Farage winning a seat let alone several UKIP MPs.
When push comes to shove people stick with what they know. Labour will regain the Lib Dem seats that were lost while the Lib Dems themselves probably won't suffer anywhere near the defeat they are predicted to. People will always vote for the MP that best serves their area and the Lib Dems still hold strong in too many areas.
I have seen him on Youtube & boy does he get carried away for what it's worth now I don't agree with him on this subject, Some of the things he says I do agree with him but not this one.:)
the UKIP spokesman on the live coverage last night was a disgrace tbh and if he is the standard for the public face of UKIP in the run up to the GE next year then they will be a laughing stock
Exactly. I think people are getting a little bit too carried away! lol
While its true UKIP might pose some problems for the Tories, mainly the deflectors, they won't even come close to harming Labour or the Lib Dems. I'd bet money on it.
Frankie Boyle there, a man whose opinion can be bought, telling people how to vote...
don't let CNN near the numbers FGS!!!
Have you worked out the spend per person?
There are over 8 million living in London.
Of course it gets more money.
And that's 8 million living cheek by jowl so more money is needed to make their lives livable. More money is needed to keep the city attractive to tourists and business as so many depend on London's success.
Getting a bit sick of the London bashing. It has it's faults but people seem to be utterly unaware of just how different it is.
How much of the country depends on it, which translates into people, just the same as people in other areas.
It's not even competing with any other city in the UK. It left them far behind years ago. Now it's competition (for it's people) is with all the other international cities. All competing for the money London gets, not from the UK, but internationally.
How comes proud of Glasgow when it had the lowest turnout?
Doesn't say much for the people when 25% couldn't be bothered to even vote.
The solidarity wasn't even there in Glasgow, let alone having a go at the other regions who turned out much higher voting percentages.
See above, 8 million plus.
TBH, if Scotland deserved a referendum, London has a bigger claim.
Absolute nonsense.
A lot of these sore losers - some of them now on social media wishing cancer and all sorts on the majority No voters - were the very same one who were constantly banging on about how independence would bring true democratic process to Scotland, and were insistent that this was a big part of what this was all about for them, the moral high ground, if you like.
Surprise, surprise, after being defeated by the very democratic process that they so championed, they're backlashing against the majority who disagreed with them. Utter morons and hypocrites, and this vocal minority's true colours of xenophobic and divisive nationalism now laid bare for all to see (btw, by no means are all Yes voters infected by this intolerant and repugnant mindset).
Link?
Edit: Found it on twitter. Some folk are seriously deluded saying that sort of stuff because they lost.
On a facebook page my daughter showed me this morning, and with several likes to it.
Isolated incident perhaps, and no worse than what Andy Muray is now getting, but what do you think of the main thrust of the post, that these morons are sore losers who advocate the democratic process only when it suits them, and then decry those who use that process to defeat them?
What's your view on that?
This nonsense about the democratic process for them was just a cover up and basically saying we hate England.
Cheer up! You'll be off to NZ soon... ;-)