I seem to remember that prior to Daniel Craig being announced in the role, Clive Owen was mooted as a possible candidate. I would have loved to see what he might have done with it. I certainly think he would have been as good as Craig.
BIB: Idris played Mandela, would it have made sense for Ray Winston to play Mandela? Bond is a white upper class type of guy, way its always been. Plenty of white actors that couldnt do it as well, they need to look a certain way.
If they were to cast a black man (or why not a woman if continuity is out the window), then I still think Idris would be a poor choice. The man is a great actor for sure, but he isnt right for the role. Ray Winston couldnt play Mandela and he sure as shite couldnt play Bond either. Actors cannot work in every role, they have a style. The only ones that can do everything are often crap blank actors (like Keanu Reeves. I would rather Flavor Flav play bond that no mark Keanu)
i agree that most actors have a specific range , but i put it to you that mr elba's is far far far more versatile and wide than mr winstones , they shouldn't even be in the same sentence .
ray was good in minder , he was perfect in scum , he was great in the sweeny and to love honour and obey ,,,,,,,,,,,, he was awful in indiana jones , passable in the departed , terrible in robin hood (series) ,,,,,, totally wank in that mel gibson film i cant remember the name of.
his comfort range is cockney hard bastard , and he does it very well ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but if he tries anything else he's awful .
idris would do bond justice imo
then of course you have top tier actors like daniel day lewis , that with enough time preparation , ,,,,,,, can turn their talent into astounding performances in any role ,,,,,,,,,,,,, im not joking when i say with makeup etc he COULD play mandela lol , or a woman etc ,,,,,,,, he simply immerse's himself in the character .
I seem to remember that prior to Daniel Craig being announced in the role, Clive Owen was mooted as a possible candidate. I would have loved to see what he might have done with it. I certainly think he would have been as good as Craig.
Clive Owen was my personal favourite to succeed Brosnan; there was even talk of Henry Cavill taking over the role, even though he was only in his early 20s at the time. However, having seen how wonderful Craig is in the role I think they certainly made the right choice.
Clive Owen was my personal favourite to succeed Brosnan; there was even talk of Henry Cavill taking over the role, even though he was only in his early 20s at the time. However, having seen how wonderful Craig is in the role I think they certainly made the right choice.
I think owen only got flagged for the role because he wore a dj in the film croupier.
Apart from that...a decent actor but does not have the rugged good looks, does not strike you as someone who could kill at the drop of a hat, and just a bit too schoolboyish...more suited to drama.
I think owen only got flagged for the role because he wore a dj in the film croupier.
Apart from that...a decent actor but does not have the rugged good looks, does not strike you as someone who could kill at the drop of a hat, and just a bit too schoolboyish...more suited to drama.
yes , well watch the (killers i think its called) with clive owen , jason statham and robert de nero,,,,, it will change your perception of clive owen , he's a propper ruthless hard bastard in it
yes , well watch the (killers i think its called) with clive owen , jason statham and robert de nero,,,,, it will change your perception of clive owen , he's a propper ruthless hard bastard in it
I thought Owen was good too as one of the assassins in The Bourne Identity. I think he would have done a good job. Not taking anything away from Daniel Craig as I think he has done great, but Clive Owen would have been my first choice.
i see what your saying ,,, sort of ,,, but does it really matter ,,,,, james's bond could have easily been black growing up before joining up with the raf etc etc
:eek: You mean Royal Navy...he is after all a man of style and sophistication. Having a black actor play him is one thing but the RAF...
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i agree that most actors have a specific range , but i put it to you that mr elba's is far far far more versatile and wide than mr winstones , they shouldn't even be in the same sentence .
ray was good in minder , he was perfect in scum , he was great in the sweeny and to love honour and obey ,,,,,,,,,,,, he was awful in indiana jones , passable in the departed , terrible in robin hood (series) ,,,,,, totally wank in that mel gibson film i cant remember the name of.
his comfort range is cockney hard bastard , and he does it very well ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but if he tries anything else he's awful .
idris would do bond justice imo
then of course you have top tier actors like daniel day lewis , that with enough time preparation , ,,,,,,, can turn their talent into astounding performances in any role ,,,,,,,,,,,,, im not joking when i say with makeup etc he COULD play mandela lol , or a woman etc ,,,,,,,, he simply immerse's himself in the character .
Clive Owen was my personal favourite to succeed Brosnan; there was even talk of Henry Cavill taking over the role, even though he was only in his early 20s at the time. However, having seen how wonderful Craig is in the role I think they certainly made the right choice.
I think owen only got flagged for the role because he wore a dj in the film croupier.
Apart from that...a decent actor but does not have the rugged good looks, does not strike you as someone who could kill at the drop of a hat, and just a bit too schoolboyish...more suited to drama.
yes , well watch the (killers i think its called) with clive owen , jason statham and robert de nero,,,,, it will change your perception of clive owen , he's a propper ruthless hard bastard in it
Killer Elite .
:eek: You mean Royal Navy...he is after all a man of style and sophistication. Having a black actor play him is one thing but the RAF...