Interesting altercation today
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I was in Manchester today with my son, who was wearing a baseball cap and is 10. We walked into a shop and within seconds, my son was being shouted at by the shop owner. He had to take his cap off, so cctv can recognise him, shop rule. At first I thought, sure, that's fair enough, ok he's only 10 but one rule for everyone is fine with me.
I then looked around and saw that the shop was full of people in full hijabs. I pointed this out but apparently it makes no difference. The shop owner was muslim too!
Anyway, not an anti muslim thread, it just seems a bit strange when you have a no hat or scarf rule in order to identify potential offenders/shoplifters but full hijabs are ok.
I then looked around and saw that the shop was full of people in full hijabs. I pointed this out but apparently it makes no difference. The shop owner was muslim too!
Anyway, not an anti muslim thread, it just seems a bit strange when you have a no hat or scarf rule in order to identify potential offenders/shoplifters but full hijabs are ok.
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Outrageous behaviour from the shop owner and quite hypocritical
Me too, a muslim living in manchester ?
My bad, I meant burka, the garment that covers the face. That's why I thought it was a bit odd that he was shouting about cctv identifying shoplifters.
Mind you I did assume the scenario to be shouted at by a vehicle driver when the OP was on a bike!
Why's that then?
I have seen signs in shop windows saying no to baseball caps motorcycle helmets and such ,but never know burkas,you cannot have one rule for one group and another for rule for others.
You can in wacky Britain, where religious minorities have more rights than everybody else.
If I owned a shop I would have a sign saying no head or face coverings and that would apply to everyone including muslims.
It would be an interesting experiment. In trying to prevent crime its likely that you yourself would be accused of a hate crime.
Absolutely I don't dispute that although my lad is only 10 so his fashion sense can be excused. It was his reasons for him having to remove it that I found rather disingenuous considering that there were so many people wearing burkas.
then on the other hand is not the decision of the shop keeper who in whom they let in the premises.
This just seems like yet another ''slag off Muslims'' thread, to be perfectly honest. Especially considering you felt the need to mention the fact that the shop owner was ''a Muslim too!'' Shock horror.
Erm, no, this thread is about the reasons given to me by the shop keeper why my 10 year old had to remove his cap. I have no problem with adhering to such a rule, every shop owner has the right to prevent crime. But I was specifically told that baseball caps were not allowed because the cctv cant identify the wearer. I found the reasons disingenuous and it seemed to me that he was being more 'big fish in his little pond' than trying to prevent crime. I simply pointed out how many people in full burkas were in the shop and that surely his cctv couldn't see through them.
My son wasn't wearing a baseball cap as a fashion statement btw, he is on a course of eyedrops for a condition and bright sun hurts his eyes at the moment.
The shopkeep is a moderate muslim, but that's not the issue really, just that I suppose I am mentioning it as comparison to the Manchester shop.
No it is a bit dicey really as the shopkeeper in the Manchester shop can be accused of negative stereotyping of people who wear baseball caps I suppose, then one day find his stock had been snaffled by people in other types of headwear..
Meh I will get my coat..:D
10 year old boy with his dad, hat off..it's just so silly really, and yeah his shop, he can set the 'rules' and lose custom if he wishes..I hope you just went somewhere else, I would be a bit gobsmacked myself!
Maybe you can show me the bit in the Koran where it says that women have to wear full face veils ?
While you're at it maybe you can point out where in this thread someone has "slagged of muslims" ?
I bet you can't do either.
It MUST be the same set of rules for all,so what if they are religious why should they get away with rules or in some cases laws>:(,as are we not all equal in the eyes of the law.
And should religious people not also respected the rules.