I'm quite liking the FVP4000, but I could do with a setting that says "I'm not blind, can you make the text on the EPG a little smaller so you can fit more than one program across" in fact if it had a layout closer to the FOX-HDR EPG then it would be a huge improvement. If it had a way to force programs of the same name (or similar name) under one icon in the recordings list and a way to edit out the "NEW:" at the start of program names it would be getting close to perfect.
But haven't you noticed that this is THE design mentality (disastrous as it is) for all new websites being designed at the moment? Huge fonts and loads of wasted white space...a bit like those early reading books you had when you were two years old !
But haven't you noticed that this is THE design mentality (disastrous as it is) for all new websites being designed at the moment? Huge fonts and loads of wasted white space...a bit like those early reading books you had when you were two years old !
yes, and I immensely dislike it, I can possibly understand it if you're considering your website needs to be readable on a 5" telephone screen. But this is a TV box connected to a 40" HD TV, all it needs is a "EPG style" setting with "large font" "small font" as options.
But haven't you noticed that this is THE design mentality (disastrous as it is) for all new websites being designed at the moment? Huge fonts and loads of wasted white space...a bit like those early reading books you had when you were two years old !
But this isn't a website....It's supposed to be a functional PVR, It fails on all aspects of its UI and it's like a slug on diazepam when wanting it to do anything.
I doubt it; maintaining a patched recording schedule after a retune isn't very difficult (particularly post DSO) as demonstrated by the custom firmware for the HDR-FOX T2. Why Humax have left things as they are for so long is a mystery to me.
The custom firmware for maintaining the schedule after a retune took a few development iterations before it was initially made available. My understanding from the author's public posts was that there were a number of different rules and approaches that had to be built up and incorporated in the package to cater for a variety of different scenarios and help it maximise the number of schedule events that it could successfully recreate.
One of the leaks on myhumax.org suggests that the new beta software for the FVP-4000T may still have not addressed the loss of a schedule on a retune. The poster both updated the software and also actioned a retune. He seamed to think that it was the updating of software that caused the loss. I suspect that it is more likely to be the retune, but either way if the schedule is not rebuilt after an event that triggers a schedule loss this isn't boding well for any imminent update of the FVP-4000T to smart tuning.
Yes, I did a retune yesterday. Annoyingly had to redo the schedule and the Favourites list.
You would think that Humax would be embarrassed at having produced something that is far worse than anything it's replaced. Most companies would move forward with their products...Hey Ho!
The custom firmware for maintaining the schedule after a retune took a few development iterations before it was initially made available. My understanding from the author's public posts was that there were a number of different rules and approaches that had to be built up and incorporated in the package to cater for a variety of different scenarios and help it maximise the number of schedule events that it could successfully recreate.
One of the leaks on myhumax.org suggests that the new beta software for the FVP-4000T may still have not addressed the loss of a schedule on a retune. The poster both updated the software and also actioned a retune. He seamed to think that it was the updating of software that caused the loss. I suspect that it is more likely to be the retune, but either way if the schedule is not rebuilt after an event that triggers a schedule loss this isn't boding well for any imminent update of the FVP-4000T to smart tuning.
My understanding is there has been a rule change implemented this year which means that new devices will not have to lose the recording schedule following a channel retune. It does not however apply to products either already in manufacture or in the process of being released to market.
Therefore there is no requirement for Humax to comply with these new rules for any of their current products including the 4000T.
My understanding is there has been a rule change implemented this year which means that new devices will not have to lose the recording schedule following a channel retune. It does not however apply to products either already in manufacture or in the process of being released to market.
Therefore there is no requirement for Humax to comply with these new rules for any of their current products including the 4000T.
Yes that 'rule change' is precisely what I am referring to.
It is for products that want to apply for permission to use the freeview branding e.g. 'Freeview Play'. It is called D-book 8 and came into effect at the beginning of April.
The FVP-4000T was tested for its compliance for the last version of D-book 7.
A brief introduction to what the D-books are about can be find at http://dtg.org.uk/publications/dbook.html
What this does mean is that because 'Freeview play' is an evolving standard that the bare minimum that manufacturers could implement to comply with the technical specification described in the D-book will change over the years.
This is nothing new as the same applied to 'Freeview+' and 'freeview+ HD' evolving over the years. As an example later models of 'freeview+ HD' are capable of receiving the 4music additional streaming TV channels via the red button on channel 18 and also the more obvious streaming channels in the 211 to 299 range.
The D-books themselves can be quite hard to read in places. The context needs to be understood otherwise it is easy to miss-understand the implications of what it is stating and come to incorrect conclusions. The D-books are not normally available outside membership of the DTG.
Having said that both parts of the D-book 7 from 2011 has been more widely available for over a year since they were 'leaked'.
Have they brought a update out yet to fix slow ui I'm not getting one yet if they haven't fix the ui is it slower than fox HDR t2 because mine bit slow going through the TV guide
Have they brought a update out yet to fix slow ui I'm not getting one yet if they haven't fix the ui is it slower than fox HDR t2 because mine bit slow going through the TV guide
Nope.
There is one in beta but theres no details of what it does apart from adding Netflix.
I'm personally very close to dropping this box now and switching to a Youview box.
There is one in beta but theres no details of what it does apart from adding Netflix.
I'm personally very close to dropping this box now and switching to a Youview box.
Software version UKTFAE1.01.11 is now available to download. Netflix due 20/05.
Improved wifi connectivity.
Improved home ui.
Improved epg performance.
Improved no booting up issue.
Software version UKTFAE1.01.11 is now available to download. Netflix due 20/05.
Improved wifi connectivity.
Improved home ui.
Improved epg performance.
Improved no booting up issue.
I had a look at mine on Friday night (I ignore it as much as possible to be honest..:() and it had been updated, to a degree.
I'm surprised there isn't a thread on it as yet, which probably says a lot about the machines popularity...Apologies if I missed it..:).
The 'Home UI' has changed, however, not for the better.
There are now four rows in recordings instead of the three.
No noticeable performance upgrade to the epg.
I don't use WiFi, so not sure what/if anything has changed.
I didn't have a booting up issues so don't know if those affected have had a fix.
There may be more, but, I can't be bothered looking....
I reflected on the changes for a couple of days and decided that the update wasn't worth the effort. It's still a pig of a machine with much work still to be done on the epg and within the 'Recordings'.
Looks like they haven't sacked the team who came up with it yet and they are still letting them tinker. Best bet would be to get a fresh set of eyes on it.
Or, just look at the T2 and try to get some ideas there. I'll be happy to receive an updated usable and ergonomic remote while they are at it.....;-)
As it's hardly different to the one shipped, I'm afraid not...In fact, the differences make it worse. Seems that even with two tries they can't make a decent one...;-) I don't need the extra 'Netflix' button either..:)
Thanks anyway.
Sounds as shoddy as my dtrt1000 - think I'll give the Panasonic a go - more of a professional outfit that humax
Take a long and careful look before you jump in that particular pond. I have two Humax PVRs and I also have a Panasonic PVR - only Freeview plus but not that much different.
Yes the Panasonic is well screwed together - of that there's no doubt. However, the UI is awful and very clunky. It is in fact the same UI as is on ours with the addition of Freeview Play which sits on top of the old UI. The UI has it's roots in the old DMR DVDRs from over a decade ago. If you don't like the UI on the Humax then you'll like the Panasonic even less.
Yes the Panasonic is well screwed together - of that there's no doubt. However, the UI is awful and very clunky. It is in fact the same UI as is on ours with the addition of Freeview Play which sits on top of the old UI. The UI has it's roots in the old DMR DVDRs from over a decade ago. If you don't like the UI on the Humax then you'll like the Panasonic even less.
From my experience of the DMR-HWT150 it certainly takes some getting used to but so far it seems reliable, the CEC system is compatible with Sony's Bravia Sync and they seem happy to talk to each other. An earlier Humax I had for a short term created mayhem although my much older T-2 is OK as it doesn't seem to use, or put rubbish down, the HDMI CEC pin.
I was intending to buy the triple tuner Humax but the many adverse comments on this forum caused me to buy the Panasonic instead.
Can anybody tell me if Netflix has now been added to the device?
Yes the Netflix app was added by the latest software release 1.0.11 on the 11th May. Also there are reports that some new boxes come with a slightly different remote control with a dedicated Netflix button but I guess it will be a little while before all old stock is out of the supply chain.
From my experience of the DMR-HWT150 it certainly takes some getting used to but so far it seems reliable, the CEC system is compatible with Sony's Bravia Sync and they seem happy to talk to each other. An earlier Humax I had for a short term created mayhem although my much older T-2 is OK as it doesn't seem to use, or put rubbish down, the HDMI CEC pin.
I was intending to buy the triple tuner Humax but the many adverse comments on this forum caused me to buy the Panasonic instead.
We have the HWT120 and as said in previous post I can't fault it's reliability but the UI has such poor implementation. Our DVDR from 2008 is not that much different in operation from today's models and it wasn't good back in 2008. A good product spoilt by poor EPG UI.
We have the HWT120 and as said in previous post I can't fault it's reliability but the UI has such poor implementation. Our DVDR from 2008 is not that much different in operation from today's models and it wasn't good back in 2008. A good product spoilt by poor EPG UI.
Can't disagree with that, the remote's layout is a bit odd as well but seems better made. I had to replace the Humax one as it was getting unreliable. The current model has dedicated buttons for Freeview play and Netflix. It has a tendency to produce a sort of spitting sound from the speakers when leaving some menus. It is backing a Human T-2 at the moment to try it out. On the first double episode of Channel 4's The Windsors the Humax claimed there was a low signal problem with the second episode, unlikely given the signal strength here, but allowed me to play it anyway. The Panasonic recorded it without any error message. The aerial loops through the Panasonic to the Humax and if anything amplifies it slightly.
It is perhaps unfair to compare it with the T-2 as that was a highly regarded PVR.
The Humax Freeview low signal quality issue does seem to be a reoccuring theme. I have an older 1800T PVR that frequently reports broken recordings due to a lack of signal, and there are indeed on many occasions glitches in the recordings. However, the tuners on the box consistently show a lower signal strength than either my Sony TV or a professional meter report (I had my aerial system checked as a result) so this suggests to me a lack of sensitivity in the on-board tuners, or an intolereance to marginal signal conditions. My Panasonic HD PVR connected to the same aerial system certainly traps the odd glitch (my Freeview reception isn't that brilliant) but overall is far more robust than the Humax box. In fact, I'm thinking aboout taking the Humax box out of service as frankly I'm fed-up with it.
It's odd that Humax seems to have so many issues with its Freeview kit in comparision to its Freesat offerings, which generally seem almost bullet proof, and I speak from experience there, having owned Humax Freesat kit for many years, with just the odd glitch here and there. Perhaps that's because Humax's specialisation is or was satellite kit.
As for the Pansonic UI, yes it doesn't seem to have changed that much over time, but in the scheme of things, I don't think that it matters that much. It seems to work well, and, at the end of the day, do you spend your time watching the UI or the stuff that the box has recorded?
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But haven't you noticed that this is THE design mentality (disastrous as it is) for all new websites being designed at the moment? Huge fonts and loads of wasted white space...a bit like those early reading books you had when you were two years old !
yes, and I immensely dislike it, I can possibly understand it if you're considering your website needs to be readable on a 5" telephone screen. But this is a TV box connected to a 40" HD TV, all it needs is a "EPG style" setting with "large font" "small font" as options.
But this isn't a website....It's supposed to be a functional PVR, It fails on all aspects of its UI and it's like a slug on diazepam when wanting it to do anything.
http://www.a516digital.com/2016/04/see-what-dave-did-yesterday-on-really.html
Wow, yet another way of watching old repeats phew!
One of the leaks on myhumax.org suggests that the new beta software for the FVP-4000T may still have not addressed the loss of a schedule on a retune. The poster both updated the software and also actioned a retune. He seamed to think that it was the updating of software that caused the loss. I suspect that it is more likely to be the retune, but either way if the schedule is not rebuilt after an event that triggers a schedule loss this isn't boding well for any imminent update of the FVP-4000T to smart tuning.
You would think that Humax would be embarrassed at having produced something that is far worse than anything it's replaced. Most companies would move forward with their products...Hey Ho!
My understanding is there has been a rule change implemented this year which means that new devices will not have to lose the recording schedule following a channel retune. It does not however apply to products either already in manufacture or in the process of being released to market.
Therefore there is no requirement for Humax to comply with these new rules for any of their current products including the 4000T.
It is for products that want to apply for permission to use the freeview branding e.g. 'Freeview Play'. It is called D-book 8 and came into effect at the beginning of April.
The FVP-4000T was tested for its compliance for the last version of D-book 7.
A brief introduction to what the D-books are about can be find at http://dtg.org.uk/publications/dbook.html
What this does mean is that because 'Freeview play' is an evolving standard that the bare minimum that manufacturers could implement to comply with the technical specification described in the D-book will change over the years.
This is nothing new as the same applied to 'Freeview+' and 'freeview+ HD' evolving over the years. As an example later models of 'freeview+ HD' are capable of receiving the 4music additional streaming TV channels via the red button on channel 18 and also the more obvious streaming channels in the 211 to 299 range.
The D-books themselves can be quite hard to read in places. The context needs to be understood otherwise it is easy to miss-understand the implications of what it is stating and come to incorrect conclusions. The D-books are not normally available outside membership of the DTG.
Having said that both parts of the D-book 7 from 2011 has been more widely available for over a year since they were 'leaked'.
Nope.
There is one in beta but theres no details of what it does apart from adding Netflix.
I'm personally very close to dropping this box now and switching to a Youview box.
Software version UKTFAE1.01.11 is now available to download. Netflix due 20/05.
Improved wifi connectivity.
Improved home ui.
Improved epg performance.
Improved no booting up issue.
I had a look at mine on Friday night (I ignore it as much as possible to be honest..:() and it had been updated, to a degree.
I'm surprised there isn't a thread on it as yet, which probably says a lot about the machines popularity...Apologies if I missed it..:).
The 'Home UI' has changed, however, not for the better.
There are now four rows in recordings instead of the three.
No noticeable performance upgrade to the epg.
I don't use WiFi, so not sure what/if anything has changed.
I didn't have a booting up issues so don't know if those affected have had a fix.
There may be more, but, I can't be bothered looking....
I reflected on the changes for a couple of days and decided that the update wasn't worth the effort. It's still a pig of a machine with much work still to be done on the epg and within the 'Recordings'.
Looks like they haven't sacked the team who came up with it yet and they are still letting them tinker. Best bet would be to get a fresh set of eyes on it.
Or, just look at the T2 and try to get some ideas there. I'll be happy to receive an updated usable and ergonomic remote while they are at it.....;-)
Is THIS ONE any better for you?
As it's hardly different to the one shipped, I'm afraid not...In fact, the differences make it worse. Seems that even with two tries they can't make a decent one...;-) I don't need the extra 'Netflix' button either..:)
Thanks anyway.
Take a long and careful look before you jump in that particular pond. I have two Humax PVRs and I also have a Panasonic PVR - only Freeview plus but not that much different.
Yes the Panasonic is well screwed together - of that there's no doubt. However, the UI is awful and very clunky. It is in fact the same UI as is on ours with the addition of Freeview Play which sits on top of the old UI. The UI has it's roots in the old DMR DVDRs from over a decade ago. If you don't like the UI on the Humax then you'll like the Panasonic even less.
From my experience of the DMR-HWT150 it certainly takes some getting used to but so far it seems reliable, the CEC system is compatible with Sony's Bravia Sync and they seem happy to talk to each other. An earlier Humax I had for a short term created mayhem although my much older T-2 is OK as it doesn't seem to use, or put rubbish down, the HDMI CEC pin.
I was intending to buy the triple tuner Humax but the many adverse comments on this forum caused me to buy the Panasonic instead.
We have the HWT120 and as said in previous post I can't fault it's reliability but the UI has such poor implementation. Our DVDR from 2008 is not that much different in operation from today's models and it wasn't good back in 2008. A good product spoilt by poor EPG UI.
Can't disagree with that, the remote's layout is a bit odd as well but seems better made. I had to replace the Humax one as it was getting unreliable. The current model has dedicated buttons for Freeview play and Netflix. It has a tendency to produce a sort of spitting sound from the speakers when leaving some menus. It is backing a Human T-2 at the moment to try it out. On the first double episode of Channel 4's The Windsors the Humax claimed there was a low signal problem with the second episode, unlikely given the signal strength here, but allowed me to play it anyway. The Panasonic recorded it without any error message. The aerial loops through the Panasonic to the Humax and if anything amplifies it slightly.
It is perhaps unfair to compare it with the T-2 as that was a highly regarded PVR.
It's odd that Humax seems to have so many issues with its Freeview kit in comparision to its Freesat offerings, which generally seem almost bullet proof, and I speak from experience there, having owned Humax Freesat kit for many years, with just the odd glitch here and there. Perhaps that's because Humax's specialisation is or was satellite kit.
As for the Pansonic UI, yes it doesn't seem to have changed that much over time, but in the scheme of things, I don't think that it matters that much. It seems to work well, and, at the end of the day, do you spend your time watching the UI or the stuff that the box has recorded?
Clem