This is a thread where a Tory is scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and find something to tar Labour with.
Despite everything the Tories still haven't managed to overhaul the Labour lead in the opinion poll.
Instead of starting ridiculous threads like this it would be far more effective to point out Ed Ball's economic strategy. If you can call it that.
Rather than having a knee jerk reaction, have a look at the OP's thread starting history, there's at least three threads about Maria Miller. Afterwards you may want to reconsider if "This is a thread where a Tory is scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and find something to tar Labour with." or whether the OP just likes to ask questions.
Miliband has a belief system, it's called social democracy, which has the occasional christian (or Muslim, or Jewish) adherent, but it's not necessary.
I presume he does not, if so, what value system does he have faith in?
You do not need to believe in a god or any religion to have good values. When you consider that Christianity and islam are in their original form very sexist,homophobic and bloodthirsty im not sure they have the values i look for in a leader. Buddhism is probably the only half decent religion but when was the last buddhist PM again? Overall i would rather more agnostic or atheist leaders than religious leaders.
The UK is a secular country why should he need to believe in god to have any values? IMO most of the people who i know that are religeous have no values themselves.
Miliband has a belief system, it's called social democracy, which has the occasional christian (or Muslim, or Jewish) adherent, but it's not necessary.
On the back of every Labour Party membership card is something that says "The Labour Party...is a democratic socialist party..." so, frankly, whether we term his belief system socialism or social democracy is irrelevant.
Except perhaps to people making a meal out of it, or the Daily Mail. Likewise his 'Jewishness' - he has Jewish antecedents (like I have German, Scottish, Polish and Lancastrian antecedents) and wants to explore this - Judaism is a culture as well as a religion.
Okay if I take out the word Tory then the post sounds right.
The OP is still scraping the bottom of the barrel though and you know it.
Err, nope ;-)
You'd have to take out Labour too making it necessary to remove the rest of the first sentence that does not make sense. Then the reference to opinion polls because it doesn't work if you remove the context, Ed Balls would have to go too as a Labour reference.
I presume he does not, if so, what value system does he have faith in?
I think it might come under the heading of: 'work in progress'.
As with most politicians these days, he may well be spending more time thinking about the value systems of the electorate, and how to get them to vote for him, rather than what he believes in himself.
Modern-day consumer politics is very much about becoming a likeable chameleon who can fit into the moment in the eyes of the greatest number of people – which is a bit like wearing a coat of many colours, but without actually getting too embroiled in religion
In this respect, I do believe it's possible that Boris could become the new Moses.
Keep an eye on the press for news of burning bushes in Hyde Park, and a new route to Europe without using a tunnel or a Ferry!
Milliband says he is an atheist, but bizarrely recently has been going big on his Jewish heritage.
I believe Clegg says he is atheist as well.
Cameron seems to have gone big on God lately, which is just a turn off to me.
As I pointed out on another thread yesterday, Jewishness is an ethnic identity as well as a religion, so when Miliband talks about his Jewish identity he's talking about his attachment to Jewish culture and history. There's no contradiction at all between that an not believing the theology.
Ed Miliband has said he wants to become Britain’s first Jewish prime minister and will not be held back by the “elements” of anti-Semitism that still exist in this country.
The Labour leader, who has a Jewish heritage but was brought up in an atheist household, said faith has a “nourishing” role in society and can help change the world. He said Britain is lucky to be a Christian nation and benefits from the “spiritual faith” the Church provides
So I would say yes he probably does have a faith but doesn't shout about it.
I think he worships his Marxist farther who hated the country who took his sorry arse in
Yawn - another Mail acolyte here. Remind me again whether or not said Miliband fought for the British in WW2 - yes he did. The Daily Mail ? Oh yes, they backed Hitler and the Fascists
Yawn - another Mail acolyte here. Remind me again whether or not said Miliband fought for the British in WW2 - yes he did. The Daily Mail ? Oh yes, they backed Hitler and the Fascists
The Daily Mail actually backed Hitler and the fascist s ? . I find that hard to believe , never ever heard that one before , maybe you can give evidence of that ??.
The Daily Mail actually backed Hitler and the fascist s ? . I find that hard to believe , never ever heard that one before , maybe you can give evidence of that ??.
Through the 30s, the Mail was ‘the only major British daily to take a consistently pro-Nazi line’: it ‘stuck out like a sore thumb’ (Richard Griffiths, Fellow Travellers of the Right: British Enthusiasts for Nazi Germany 1933-39). Rothermere penned a July 1933 leader, ‘youth triumphant’, praising the Nazi regime for its ‘accomplishments, both spiritual and material’.
MY DEAR FUHRER EVERYONE IN ENGLAND IS PROFOUNDLY MOVED BY THE BLOODLESS SOLUTION OF THE CZECHOSLOVAKIAN PROBLEM STOP PEOPLE NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH TERRITORIAL READJUSTMENT AS WITH THE DREAD OF ANOTHER WAR WITH ITS ACCOMPANYING BLOODBATH STOP FREDERICK THE GREAT A GREAT POPULAR FIGURE IN ENGLAND MAY NOT ADOLF THE GREAT BECOME AN EQUALLY POPULAR FIGURE STOP I SALUTE YOUR EXCELLENCY’S STAR WHICH RISES HIGHER AND HIGHER
"I urge all British young men and women to study closely the progress of the Nazi regime in Germany. They must not be misled by the misrepresentations of its opponents The most spiteful distracters of the Nazis are to be found in precisely the same sections of the British public and press as are most vehement in their praises of the Soviet regime in Russia. They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call "Nazi atrocities" which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consists merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny."
On 7 December 1933, Hitler himself wrote to Rothermere:
"I should like to express the appreciation of countless Germans, who regard me as their spokesman, for the wise and beneficial public support which you have given to a policy that we all hope will contribute to the enduring pacification of Europe. Just as we are fanatically determined to defend ourselves against attack, so do we reject the idea of taking the initiative in bringing about a war. I am convinced that no one who fought in the front trenches during the world war, no matter in what European country, desires another conflict."
Milliband says he is an atheist, but bizarrely recently has been going big on his Jewish heritage.
I believe Clegg says he is atheist as well.
Cameron seems to have gone big on God lately, which is just a turn off to me.
At the end of the day Cameron upset a few of the religious persuasion with the whole gay marriage thing so he probably feels the need to suck up a bit and try and regain a few brownie points in those circles.
Yawn - another Mail acolyte here. Remind me again whether or not said Miliband fought for the British in WW2 - yes he did. The Daily Mail ? Oh yes, they backed Hitler and the Fascists
A nice safe job in "intelligence", no doubt passing it on to his controller in Stalingrad
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Seconded. Why do you need faith in a god to have a value system?
Despite everything the Tories still haven't managed to overhaul the Labour lead in the opinion poll.
Instead of starting ridiculous threads like this it would be far more effective to point out Ed Ball's economic strategy. If you can call it that.
Rather than having a knee jerk reaction, have a look at the OP's thread starting history, there's at least three threads about Maria Miller. Afterwards you may want to reconsider if "This is a thread where a Tory is scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and find something to tar Labour with." or whether the OP just likes to ask questions.
You do not need to believe in a god or any religion to have good values. When you consider that Christianity and islam are in their original form very sexist,homophobic and bloodthirsty im not sure they have the values i look for in a leader. Buddhism is probably the only half decent religion but when was the last buddhist PM again? Overall i would rather more agnostic or atheist leaders than religious leaders.
I believe Clegg says he is atheist as well.
Cameron seems to have gone big on God lately, which is just a turn off to me.
So what happened to him being a socialist?
Ed Miliband: I'm bringing socialism back to Britain
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10325076/Ed-Miliband-Im-bringing-socialism-back-to-Britain.html
Maybe you should try reading the posters threads before coming up with nonsense like this.
Epic fail.
Except perhaps to people making a meal out of it, or the Daily Mail. Likewise his 'Jewishness' - he has Jewish antecedents (like I have German, Scottish, Polish and Lancastrian antecedents) and wants to explore this - Judaism is a culture as well as a religion.
Okay if I take out the word Tory then the post sounds right.
The OP is still scraping the bottom of the barrel though and you know it.
Err, nope ;-)
You'd have to take out Labour too making it necessary to remove the rest of the first sentence that does not make sense. Then the reference to opinion polls because it doesn't work if you remove the context, Ed Balls would have to go too as a Labour reference.
This is what would be left of your contribution.
"If you can call it that"
I think it might come under the heading of: 'work in progress'.
As with most politicians these days, he may well be spending more time thinking about the value systems of the electorate, and how to get them to vote for him, rather than what he believes in himself.
Modern-day consumer politics is very much about becoming a likeable chameleon who can fit into the moment in the eyes of the greatest number of people – which is a bit like wearing a coat of many colours, but without actually getting too embroiled in religion
In this respect, I do believe it's possible that Boris could become the new Moses.
Keep an eye on the press for news of burning bushes in Hyde Park, and a new route to Europe without using a tunnel or a Ferry!
As I pointed out on another thread yesterday, Jewishness is an ethnic identity as well as a religion, so when Miliband talks about his Jewish identity he's talking about his attachment to Jewish culture and history. There's no contradiction at all between that an not believing the theology.
This is apparently his view on it all
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10761625/Ed-Milibands-hope-to-be-Britains-first-Jewish-PM.html
Ed Miliband has said he wants to become Britain’s first Jewish prime minister and will not be held back by the “elements” of anti-Semitism that still exist in this country.
The Labour leader, who has a Jewish heritage but was brought up in an atheist household, said faith has a “nourishing” role in society and can help change the world. He said Britain is lucky to be a Christian nation and benefits from the “spiritual faith” the Church provides
So I would say yes he probably does have a faith but doesn't shout about it.
Yawn - another Mail acolyte here. Remind me again whether or not said Miliband fought for the British in WW2 - yes he did. The Daily Mail ? Oh yes, they backed Hitler and the Fascists
The Daily Mail actually backed Hitler and the fascist s ? . I find that hard to believe , never ever heard that one before , maybe you can give evidence of that ??.
It is well known
http://www.suffolkhands.org.uk/node/1031
Through the 30s, the Mail was ‘the only major British daily to take a consistently pro-Nazi line’: it ‘stuck out like a sore thumb’ (Richard Griffiths, Fellow Travellers of the Right: British Enthusiasts for Nazi Germany 1933-39). Rothermere penned a July 1933 leader, ‘youth triumphant’, praising the Nazi regime for its ‘accomplishments, both spiritual and material’.
MY DEAR FUHRER EVERYONE IN ENGLAND IS PROFOUNDLY MOVED BY THE BLOODLESS SOLUTION OF THE CZECHOSLOVAKIAN PROBLEM STOP PEOPLE NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH TERRITORIAL READJUSTMENT AS WITH THE DREAD OF ANOTHER WAR WITH ITS ACCOMPANYING BLOODBATH STOP FREDERICK THE GREAT A GREAT POPULAR FIGURE IN ENGLAND MAY NOT ADOLF THE GREAT BECOME AN EQUALLY POPULAR FIGURE STOP I SALUTE YOUR EXCELLENCY’S STAR WHICH RISES HIGHER AND HIGHER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
http://www.voiceoftheturtle.org/dictionary/dict_h1.php#hurrah
On 10 July 1933, Rothermere continued:
"I urge all British young men and women to study closely the progress of the Nazi regime in Germany. They must not be misled by the misrepresentations of its opponents The most spiteful distracters of the Nazis are to be found in precisely the same sections of the British public and press as are most vehement in their praises of the Soviet regime in Russia. They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call "Nazi atrocities" which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consists merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny."
On 7 December 1933, Hitler himself wrote to Rothermere:
"I should like to express the appreciation of countless Germans, who regard me as their spokesman, for the wise and beneficial public support which you have given to a policy that we all hope will contribute to the enduring pacification of Europe. Just as we are fanatically determined to defend ourselves against attack, so do we reject the idea of taking the initiative in bringing about a war. I am convinced that no one who fought in the front trenches during the world war, no matter in what European country, desires another conflict."
At the end of the day Cameron upset a few of the religious persuasion with the whole gay marriage thing so he probably feels the need to suck up a bit and try and regain a few brownie points in those circles.
A nice safe job in "intelligence", no doubt passing it on to his controller in Stalingrad
Don't think we'll be seeing much more of you on this forum