"So the facts couldn’t be clearer: absolutely nobody was pretending that everyone in the picture was a Labour For Independence campaigner. It was explicitly and publicly stated, in numerous locations, seven and a half months ago, that the image showed LFI helping out at a Yes Scotland stall with Yes campaigners."
“Crofting, which is very much based on sustainability, can only be strengthened when we have independence - when our interests will be fully represented in Edinburgh and importantly in Brussels where so many of the key decisions affecting our financial sustainability will be taken.”
He produced a civil service briefing paper in 1974 which said an independent Scotland could be economically prosperous and have "massive surpluses both on its budget and on its balance of payments... for a very long time into the future".
The paper, which was not made public for 30 years, said the discovery of North Sea oil had "completely overturned the traditional economic arguments used against Scottish nationalism".
This is becoming ridiculous. At Yes stalls there will be people there from SNP, Women for Independence, Green Party, Trade Unionists for Independence, SSP etc. Different groups campaiging as a part of the Yes movement. Of course there are going to be Labour and SNP people there but the point is in this photograph it was never stated and the intention was never there to make out it was a group of soley Labour for Independence members. This is a deliberate campaign by Scottish Labour Unionists to conduct smear a campaign against a movement that has clearly rattled them. LFI has been developing policies that are true Labour policies, policies that show up the current Scottish Labour hierachy as being ideologically opposed to Labour values. The Scottish Labour establishment are on the wrong side of the argument and they loathe and despise Labour for Independence because it shows them to be completely void of integrity or backbone. They are a disgrace to working people, to Labour values and to Scotland, the nation they are meant to represent.
Of course there are members of the Labour Party who will vote for separation. Similarly, there are many people who voted for the SNP in 2011 who will vote to remain in the UK in 2014. 'Labour for Independence' is a sham, though. The Labour Party wasn't paying to produce the banners, leaflets and T-shirts. Only a handful of card carrying members have been associated with the group. The reality is that it was created and kept alive by the SNP and SNP politicians/activists. Yes Scotland is trying to create the illusion that it is a broad church, brimming with grassroots groups. Like 'Labour for Independence', 'Women for Independence' is funded and organised by Yes Scotland, which is funded by SNP donors. You have been duped.
Of course there are members of the Labour Party who will vote for separation. Similarly, there are many people who voted for the SNP in 2011 who will vote to remain in the UK in 2014. 'Labour for Independence' is a sham, though. The Labour Party wasn't paying to produce the banners, leaflets and T-shirts. Only a handful of card carrying members have been associated with the group. The reality is that it was created and kept alive by the SNP and SNP politicians/activists. Yes Scotland is trying to create the illusion that it is a broad church, brimming with grassroots groups. Like 'Labour for Independence', 'Women for Independence' is funded and organised by Yes Scotland, which is funded by SNP donors. You have been duped.
I watched it. What point are you trying to make. He could not name a Scottish Labour policy, who can? It appears to be Tory light:D
Slightly more alarmingly, the 'leader' couldn't tell the interviewer how many card-carrying Labour Party members have signed up to 'Labour for Independence' - a group of around 80 people.
Slightly more alarmingly, the 'leader' couldn't tell the interviewer how many card-carrying Labour Party members have signed up to 'Labour for Independence' - a group of around 80 people.
2. That site is pro independence and admits it, so they are not going to be anything but apologists for the independence cause. No chance of an "independent" view from them. Oh the irony ......
2. That site is pro independence and admits it, so they are not going to be anything but apologists for the independence cause. No chance of an "independent" view from them. Oh the irony ......
And has been pointed out to you before. The main stream media, in Scotland, are very pro union. So not much of an "independent " view from them.
Slightly more alarmingly, the 'leader' couldn't tell the interviewer how many card-carrying Labour Party members have signed up to 'Labour for Independence' - a group of around 80 people.
it's alarming that labour wont tolerate members who want independence
it's alarming that labour wont tolerate members who want independence
Any proof of Labour Party intolerance?
While the Labour Party is campaigning for Scotland to remain in the UK, it fully accepts that some of its members will vote for separation in the referendum (see my earlier post).
The main gripe is that 'Labour for Independence' claims to operate within the Labour Party. It doesn't.
Also, in a number of cases, 'Labour for Independence' (not Yes Scotland) stalls are being manned by SNP politicians and other members of Yes Scotland. No Labour Party members (see the Midlothian photograph).
On Newsnight last night, the 'leader' of 'Labour for Independence' (who has been a Labour Party member since 2010) couldn't name a single Labour Party policy that he sympathises with and he couldn't even say how many card-carrying Labour Party members are in his tiny group (30 is the most optimistic estimate).
In summary: The name 'Labour for Independence' is slightly misleading. The Labour Party has no issue with members voting for separation.
2. That site is pro independence and admits it, so they are not going to be anything but apologists for the independence cause. No chance of an "independent" view from them. Oh the irony ......
So what are you saying, pro unionist media and web sites can be trusted but not pro independence sites?:rolleyes:
So what are you saying, pro unionist media and web sites can be trusted but not pro independence sites?:rolleyes:
No what I am saying is constantly posting what a pro independence site says isn't representative and its smacks of desperatism that it’s the only source that can be quoted most of the time
They must have alzheimer’s if they have forgotten already
It's amazing the amount of folks that need reminding of the facts, in fact some are even newcomers to the facts.
No what I am saying is constantly posting what a pro independence site says isn't representative and its smacks of desperatism that it’s the only source that can be quoted most of the time
Well if the Scottish media was more impartial then the pro independence sites wouldn't be the only source we could use. Unfortunately that is not the case, so more often than not, due to the shenanigans of the pro union media, the pro independence sites are the only source available to learn the whole/true story.
It's amazing the amount of folks that need reminding of the facts, in fact some are even newcomers to the facts.
Well if the Scottish media was more impartial then the pro independence sites wouldn't be the only source we could use. Unfortunately that is not the case, so more often than not, due to the shenanigans of the pro union media, the pro independence sites are the only source available to learn the whole/true story.
While the Labour Party is campaigning for Scotland to remain in the UK, it fully accepts that some of its members will vote for separation in the referendum (see my earlier post).
The main gripe is that 'Labour for Independence' claims to operate within the Labour Party. It doesn't.
Also, in a number of cases, 'Labour for Independence' (not Yes Scotland) stalls are being manned by SNP politicians and other members of Yes Scotland. No Labour Party members (see the Midlothian photograph).
On Newsnight last night, the 'leader' of 'Labour for Independence' (who has been a Labour Party member since 2010) couldn't name a single Labour Party policy that he sympathises with and he couldn't even say how many card-carrying Labour Party members are in his tiny group (30 is the most optimistic estimate).
In summary: The name 'Labour for Independence' is slightly misleading. The Labour Party has no issue with members voting for separation.
Does the Labour Party have an issue with Labour Party members actively campaigning for independence?
Out of interest do you know how many Scottish card carrying Labour Party members there are?
"In 2008, Scottish Labour Party membership was reported as 17,000, down from a peak of approximately 30,000 in the run-up to the 1997 general election. The figures included in the Annual Report presented to the Scottish Party Conference in 2008, also recorded that more than half of all Constituency Labour parties (CLPs) had less than 300 members, with 14 having less than 200 members.
In September 2010, the party issued 13,135 ballot papers to party members during the Labour Party (UK) leadership election. However, these did not necessarily equate to 13,135 individual members - due to the party's electoral structure, members can qualify for multiple votes. The party has declined to reveal its actual membership figures since 2008, and did not publish the number of votes cast in the leadership election, only percentages."
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I knew someone was going to come back with that
Still it will give a new meaning to women and children first when they are looking for a scapegoat on 19 September 2014
You knew your post was misleading nonsense, I'll give you credit for admitting it at least
"So the facts couldn’t be clearer: absolutely nobody was pretending that everyone in the picture was a Labour For Independence campaigner. It was explicitly and publicly stated, in numerous locations, seven and a half months ago, that the image showed LFI helping out at a Yes Scotland stall with Yes campaigners."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-crofters-launch-campaign-1-3024857
It seems the independence debate is staring to heat up. More niche yes groups are making their voice heard.
Of course there are members of the Labour Party who will vote for separation. Similarly, there are many people who voted for the SNP in 2011 who will vote to remain in the UK in 2014. 'Labour for Independence' is a sham, though. The Labour Party wasn't paying to produce the banners, leaflets and T-shirts. Only a handful of card carrying members have been associated with the group. The reality is that it was created and kept alive by the SNP and SNP politicians/activists. Yes Scotland is trying to create the illusion that it is a broad church, brimming with grassroots groups. Like 'Labour for Independence', 'Women for Independence' is funded and organised by Yes Scotland, which is funded by SNP donors. You have been duped.
They've been rumbled. Accept it. Move on.
They certainly have been.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/we-love-you-darling.21286260
Ah, the 'move on, nothing to see here' approach.
Check out the car crash interview with 'Labour for Independence' 'leader' on Newsnight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b037wtzk/Newsnight_Scotland_01_08_2013/
I watched it. What point are you trying to make. He could not name a Scottish Labour policy, who can? It appears to be Tory light:D
Slightly more alarmingly, the 'leader' couldn't tell the interviewer how many card-carrying Labour Party members have signed up to 'Labour for Independence' - a group of around 80 people.
He said " around about 40%"
another site on it. Just emphasis how pathetic the media is here in Scotland.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/running-scared/
1. That link has already been given
2. That site is pro independence and admits it, so they are not going to be anything but apologists for the independence cause. No chance of an "independent" view from them. Oh the irony ......
And has been pointed out to you before. The main stream media, in Scotland, are very pro union. So not much of an "independent " view from them.
it's alarming that labour wont tolerate members who want independence
They don't even believe that members support independence. If they do they are not " real" labour.
Any proof of Labour Party intolerance?
While the Labour Party is campaigning for Scotland to remain in the UK, it fully accepts that some of its members will vote for separation in the referendum (see my earlier post).
The main gripe is that 'Labour for Independence' claims to operate within the Labour Party. It doesn't.
Also, in a number of cases, 'Labour for Independence' (not Yes Scotland) stalls are being manned by SNP politicians and other members of Yes Scotland. No Labour Party members (see the Midlothian photograph).
On Newsnight last night, the 'leader' of 'Labour for Independence' (who has been a Labour Party member since 2010) couldn't name a single Labour Party policy that he sympathises with and he couldn't even say how many card-carrying Labour Party members are in his tiny group (30 is the most optimistic estimate).
In summary: The name 'Labour for Independence' is slightly misleading. The Labour Party has no issue with members voting for separation.
So what, no harm in reminding folks of the facts.
So what are you saying, pro unionist media and web sites can be trusted but not pro independence sites?:rolleyes:
They must have alzheimer’s if they have forgotten already
No what I am saying is constantly posting what a pro independence site says isn't representative and its smacks of desperatism that it’s the only source that can be quoted most of the time
It's amazing the amount of folks that need reminding of the facts, in fact some are even newcomers to the facts.
Well if the Scottish media was more impartial then the pro independence sites wouldn't be the only source we could use. Unfortunately that is not the case, so more often than not, due to the shenanigans of the pro union media, the pro independence sites are the only source available to learn the whole/true story.
BIB - pull the other one its got bells on.
Does the Labour Party have an issue with Labour Party members actively campaigning for independence?
Out of interest do you know how many Scottish card carrying Labour Party members there are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Labour_Party
"In 2008, Scottish Labour Party membership was reported as 17,000, down from a peak of approximately 30,000 in the run-up to the 1997 general election. The figures included in the Annual Report presented to the Scottish Party Conference in 2008, also recorded that more than half of all Constituency Labour parties (CLPs) had less than 300 members, with 14 having less than 200 members.
In September 2010, the party issued 13,135 ballot papers to party members during the Labour Party (UK) leadership election. However, these did not necessarily equate to 13,135 individual members - due to the party's electoral structure, members can qualify for multiple votes. The party has declined to reveal its actual membership figures since 2008, and did not publish the number of votes cast in the leadership election, only percentages."
not funny. my mother has Alzheimer's disease.