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HMV out of administration? Takeover may save thousands of jobs

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So it looks like HMV may be about to come out of administration - good news for all the people who work there.

Do you think its enough to make it survive? Seems to me it may be a temporary solution for a long term problem of the dying high street...

http://www.watchmywallet.co.uk/news/2013/january/hmv-out-of-administration-gift-cards-vouchers-valid-hilco/
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
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    Don't know how much of HMV can be saved. I doubt all the stores will remain. Little info at the moment.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21141209
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 72
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    It's still going to be overpriced in comparison to Amazon etc - so it's not going to solve that problem.

    It's going to have to change if it wants to survive. Providing a better music selection rather than a little bit of everything may be the best way forward.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    NXV839 wrote: »
    It's still going to be overpriced in comparison to Amazon etc - so it's not going to solve that problem.

    It's going to have to change if it wants to survive. Providing a better music selection rather than a little bit of everything may be the best way forward.

    Overpriced you say? The weekend before HMV went into administration I bought the Jawbone Jambox speakers in red for £98 at Oxford Street. On Amazon they are £121 new, same story Play.com.

    I think the future of the company lies in it becoming an "everything under one roof" home entertainment centre, they were heading that way with technology sections.
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    chrisii2011chrisii2011 Posts: 2,694
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    Cheaper prices and more variety will get more customers in and more money for the company
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    Nigel GoodwinNigel Goodwin Posts: 58,518
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    NXV839 wrote: »
    Do you think its enough to make it survive?

    As the article calls the buyers a 'restructuring specialist', it sounds highly unlikely - doesn't that essentially mean 'we buy up poorly performing companies and strip any assets they might have'?.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,362
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    [QUOTE=NXV839;63767589]It's still going to be overpriced in comparison to Amazon etc - so it's not going to solve that problem.

    It's going to have to change if it wants to survive. Providing a better music selection rather than a little bit of everything may be the best way forward.[/QUOTE]

    Take it you don;t go to HMV Online?
    Would say that online it competes well.

    I think if I did anything, 200+ stores? Maybe cup down stores to key markets.
    Most muisc/dvd retail is around Christmas so if it is 'pop up' stores, so be it.

    Looking at 10 nearest stores, 4 I think may be in doubt. Just average market towns, not major destination shopping centres.
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    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
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    Cheaper prices and more variety will get more customers in and more money for the company

    Although it sounds likely that there won't be much of HMV left after "restructuring" what they really need is to be run by a retail expert with the vision to make the stores relevant to the modern era. People flock to Apple stores despite the high prices and that's the model HMV should follow: forget all the silly clutter, comedy mugs and t-shirts and become a serious specialist retailer with enthusiastic and knowledgable staff. The prices are a problem because people perceive music and films as a cheap commodity, so either only sell what will make a profit at low prices, or send out the message (as Apple does) that what you sell is worth the money.
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    wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    Take it you don;t go to HMV Online?
    Would say that online it competes well.

    I have bought from HMV online but I can never find anything there. The categories are poor compared to Amazon. HMV could do well in this area, but they need to greatly improve a very sluggish and user-unfriendly website.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    wallster wrote: »
    I have bought from HMV online but I can never find anything there. The categories are poor compared to Amazon. HMV could do well in this area, but they need to greatly improve a very sluggish and user-unfriendly website.

    The addition of click n' collect would also be a good way to drive online shoppers into the store and making impulse buys on their way to the customer service desk.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,362
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    The addition of click n' collect would also be a good way to drive online shoppers into the store and making impulse buys on their way to the customer service desk.
    But the best thing if HMV online is the price.
    Doubt you will get much outside the Top 10 with a offer.
    It costs more in store due to things like rent.
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    hyperstarspongehyperstarsponge Posts: 16,706
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    So HMV is safe for now :)
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    Everything GoesEverything Goes Posts: 12,972
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    So HMV is safe for now :)

    Just like Comet were safe when Op Capita bought them over :eek:

    Expect closures. They will run it into the ground and strip the bones clean.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Expect closures. They will run it into the ground and strip the bones clean.

    Yep, I can't help thinking that 20-30 years ago, when i was young, HILCO as "restructuring specialists" would have been described as "asset strippers"...
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,565
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    Just like Comet were safe when Op Capita bought them over :eek:

    Expect closures. They will run it into the ground and strip the bones clean.

    It may not be the case as the same company bought HMV Canada 2 years ago using the same technique of buying the debt then buying the name later.
    (bbc news website is the source)
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    wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    So HMV is safe for now :)

    HMV need a total overhaul and a new strategy. Make their shops pleasant to browse in. Provide barcode readers and headphones so that customers can listen to tracks. Add sofas, serve coffee, make it an experience not available online.
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    manics2003manics2003 Posts: 710
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    There will more than likely be lots of closures and hundreds of people out of work. Only the most profitable stores will be kept the rest will be shut.

    A agree with a previous poster they need to be run by a retail expert and there business modeling needs an overhaul.
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    OvalteenieOvalteenie Posts: 24,169
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    At least they're accepting vouchers again... I'm going to spend my £50 HMV gift card tomorrow before they change their mind again :o
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    Chris_TVChris_TV Posts: 4,034
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    Glad they are safe and hopefully most of the staff get to keep the jobs they currently have.

    However I will refuse to shop at HMV unless they change the prices.

    In the past when ever I have walked into HMV I instantly think to myself. I shouldn't be here, as I can get what I want from Amazon £10-20 cheaper.

    Unless they change, and I doubt they will they wont have my custom back.
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    CLL DodgeCLL Dodge Posts: 115,865
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    Great news short term. Hope the new HMV competes well and holds its own against the opposition. Best wishes to all its employees.
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    cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    I think the future of the company lies in it becoming an "everything under one roof" home entertainment centre, they were heading that way with technology sections.

    And that's what they should start concentrating on. That and band merchandise like posters, T-shirts etc. They could also start selling gig/festival tickets. Would that work?
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,362
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    Chris_TV wrote: »
    Glad they are safe and hopefully most of the staff get to keep the jobs they currently have.

    However I will refuse to shop at HMV unless they change the prices.

    In the past when ever I have walked into HMV I instantly think to myself. I shouldn't be here, as I can get what I want from Amazon £10-20 cheaper.

    Unless they change, and I doubt they will they wont have my custom back.

    What makes Amazon better online than HMV?
    I have had no trouble using HMV, find it simple to use.
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    Chris_TVChris_TV Posts: 4,034
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    What makes Amazon better online than HMV?
    I have had no trouble using HMV, find it simple to use.


    Example from June last year I got Buffy the Vampire Slayer complete DVD collection off amazon for £40 HMV were selling it for £80 online.

    It is like that for a lot of TV box sets. I would never use HMV for purchases like that, Maybe the odd CD, but nothing more,
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 696
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    What makes Amazon better online than HMV?
    I have had no trouble using HMV, find it simple to use.
    HMV.com used to be good and able to compete with the rest, but it wasn't the case towards the end. Last year when they closed their Channel Islands warehouse and brought it back to the UK, they tried a new strategy of pricing the same online as offline and allowing "reserve & collect" from stores. It meant their website was just as uncompetitive as their stores. It didn't have much of a chance online and probably contributed to their downfall.
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    AmbassadorAmbassador Posts: 22,333
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    It's not the most positive news that its Hilco that's taken over but its better than disappearing altogether.

    There'll be closures and scaling back but they are only doing what HMV management should have done years ago. I think little will change though as Hilco will only work alongside current management as opposed to on top of.

    I'd say about 30% of stores will go eventually, probably up to 50% if they can't get landlords to agree to new lease terms
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    Alt-F4Alt-F4 Posts: 10,960
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    As the article calls the buyers a 'restructuring specialist', it sounds highly unlikely - doesn't that essentially mean 'we buy up poorly performing companies and strip any assets they might have'?.

    Yep it's inevitable. I'll bet the cat on it.
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