I get the distinct impression that SSN don't want to be taken seriously to an extent and inject fun by using Jim White etc.
I work for a TV buying agency and someone from Sky very strongly indicated that they have to review where the reporters stand on future TDDs as they feel they are one nutter away from a serious incident.
I get the distinct impression that SSN don't want to be taken seriously to an extent and inject fun by using Jim White etc.
I work for a TV buying agency and someone from Sky very strongly indicated that they have to review where the reporters stand on future TDDs as they feel they are one nutter away from a serious incident.
I do enjoy seeing how much more OTT SSN go each year. Though I do think they need to be careful with the crowd thing - it makes the day fun but as you say all it requires one nutter for something serious to happen. They need to be careful.
I think a blend is the important thing. I mean the BBC had John Motson on, etc. who clearly hasn't experienced the transfer window as a player/manager but is just there to give general views on the transfers going on and whether x seems a good signing and so on. I'm sure Smith was fine for all that - you just wouldn't want every guest to be someone like that. I think 5 Live do a decent job in having people on who've negotiated deals, been managers in that situation (though there wasn't one on yesterday from memory but they did have Phil Neville who of course was an assistant last year) or players who've been the subject of transfer interest themselves at this time. Generally I find they strike the right balance - they do a decent job of keeping track of the developments in various transfer sagas but it's not all hype and rumours, and there's a blend of considered discussion mixed with lighter moments of humour which I think are important for a show that is over 4 hours long.
I do enjoy seeing how much more OTT SSN go each year. Though I do think they need to be careful with the crowd thing - it makes the day fun but as you say all it requires one nutter for something serious to happen. They need to be careful.
There's no easy way of doing it although there didn't seem many outside Carrington when you'd expect there to be? Security maybe? (Utd are more security conscious than many clubs)
Being inside obviously makes it harder to interview people coming and going but ultimately Sky are liable should anything happen to a reporter.
I work for a TV buying agency and someone from Sky very strongly indicated that they have to review where the reporters stand on future TDDs as they feel they are one nutter away from a serious incident.
Perhaps we got a glimpse of that on Monday with Geraint Hughes reporting from inside the Emirates Stadium after having something thrown at him and requiring the presence of security last time when he was outside the ground.
Perhaps we got a glimpse of that on Monday with Geraint Hughes reporting from inside the Emirates Stadium after having something thrown at him and requiring the presence of security last time when he was outside the ground.
Yeh, there's some morons around, security would probably suffice
January isn't as much of a problem due to the weather and less activity
But those nicknames work and are natural and have come from the public more than being imposed by the broadcaster and say Sky do mostly use their actual names unless it's say a conversation. Whereas I feel with BT the nickname use is just all the time and isn't natural at all . Jake constantly calling David James 'Jamo' just doesn't sound natural (whereas calling David Lloyd 'Bumble' would) and it makes me cringe and them advertising 'Fletch and Sav' does similar.
Where do I place my apology for being criminal and calling Mr David Benjamin James MBE by the criminally unnatural name of 'Jamo' when I met him on my club's pre-season tour?
Where do I place my apology for being criminal and calling Mr David Benjamin James MBE by the criminally unnatural name of 'Jamo' when I met him on my club's pre-season tour?
What a load of twaddle.
Apologies from me then - Jamo was a bad example.
And maybe I'm being very pedantic (almost certainly am) but sorry if I were to hear Jake suddenly saying "You'll be hearing what Scholesly, Wrighty and Jamo made of that half after the break" or something similar it'll make me cringe.
Don't know why it does (and why for example I can cope with it easily enough on other channels) and my mistake was probably to think why but that's my view.
Though I do think there's a slight difference between a fan saying it to him personally and Jake Humphrey saying it all the time rather than his actual name during a live match broadcast.
Still - I'll leave it there as even I'm bored of talking about it now and I doubt I'll change my view soon and don't fancy a huge argument over it to be honest ha.
Changing gear, I agree with jimmylad about the ITV4 Bundesliga show. It's a great little show - entertaining and covers what you'd want it to in an hour.
[QUOTE=Steve Williams;74589647}And there was an obvious reason why Pearce referred to Attenborough, he was on the board at Chelsea and they were wearing black armbands in tribute, so it was an obvious reference. I think too it would have been very heartfelt from Pearce because I'm sure he would have met him several times when Attenborough was Chairman of Capital Radio.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for that information - I didn't know any of that, so apologies that my criticism of Pearce was misplaced. Perhaps he could have referenced the precise Attenborough connection, though, as I'm sure that there were many like me who were a bit confused (although perhaps that hit the cutting room floor - who knows?!)
Thank you for that information - I didn't know any of that, so apologies that my criticism of Pearce was misplaced. Perhaps he could have referenced the precise Attenborough connection, though, as I'm sure that there were many like me who were a bit confused (although perhaps that hit the cutting room floor - who knows?!)
He did mention it at the start of his commentary - I think the players were wearing black armbands or something from memory?
Where do I place my apology for being criminal and calling Mr David Benjamin James MBE by the criminally unnatural name of 'Jamo' when I met him on my club's pre-season tour?
What a load of twaddle.
It's fair enough using a nickname in that context and I wouldn't have a problem if broadcasters referred to each other by nicknames off air. On air though I agree with BFGArmy that it's not generally suitable for a more formal, professional broadcast. After all the viewers don't know them in that context and on some occasions it might not even be clear who is being referred to (I remember on one Monday Night Football Keys and Gray referring to 'Smudger and the voice' which I suppose would have confused the average viewer.
There is a time and place for nickname use I'll agree - and I'm not wholly against it. For example, I'll call the Sky cricket pundits Athers, Bumble and Mikey. And the same with Merse and Thommo really - those nicknames just work.
But those nicknames work and are natural and have come from the public more than being imposed by the broadcaster and say Sky do mostly use their actual names unless it's say a conversation. Whereas I feel with BT the nickname use is just all the time and isn't natural at all . Jake constantly calling David James 'Jamo' just doesn't sound natural (whereas calling David Lloyd 'Bumble' would) and it makes me cringe and them advertising 'Fletch and Sav' does similar.
I agree with this completely; the use of nicknames on Sky comes across as the genuine way that a group of friends and colleagues refer to each other, whereas on BT Sport it just seems a much more contrived way that personnel there refer to each other - to the point where you feel that the bosses have insisted upon it in order to create the same kind of feeling of 'mates watching football' that Sky have.
On the subject of BT Sport, if you want further proof that Jake Humphrey is getting too big for his boots, read this.
I agree with this completely; the use of nicknames on Sky comes across as the genuine way that a group of friends and colleagues refer to each other, whereas on BT Sport it just seems a much more contrived way that personnel there refer to each other - to the point where you feel that the bosses have insisted upon it in order to create the same kind of feeling of 'mates watching football' that Sky have.
On the subject of BT Sport, if you want further proof that Jake Humphrey is getting too big for his boots, read this.
Just wonder...give him enough rope.....If rumours are true and BT are looking for another presenter for their Champion's League maybe their blue eyed boy is becoming a darker eyed boy.
Just wonder...give him enough rope.....If rumours are true and BT are looking for another presenter for their Champion's League maybe their blue eyed boy is becoming a darker eyed boy.
Hope so to put him on Champions League would be lunacy. Going to BBC and getting Humphrey and Fletcher was on og of immense proportions from BT. They have shown they can put a great show on with the European coverage, do the same for the Champions League and they will have a massive winner.
Humphrey, Savage and Fletcher should be kept well away.
Just wonder...give him enough rope.....If rumours are true and BT are looking for another presenter for their Champion's League maybe their blue eyed boy is becoming a darker eyed boy.
Doubt it. The first thing they'd do is ask him to tone it down and there's clearly no obviously example of him doing that.
Whilst I accept that most people only tune in for the football, I'm sure if the pre-match stuff is good enough people would make an attempt to watch it. I certainly do with MNF and Super Sunday (most weeks).
BT's 45 minute build up on a Saturday morning is frankly unwatchable. I never have any idea what they're trying to achieve and it just comes across as a mess. There is actually no point watching it unless you support one of the teams on show and wish to see the pre-match interview with your manager. Nothing of any note happens, Just a pointless VT followed by pointless questioning of the guests. Its so amateur it's unbelievable.
Hope so to put him on Champions League would be lunacy. Going to BBC and getting Humphrey and Fletcher was on og of immense proportions from BT. They have shown they can put a great show on with the European coverage, do the same for the Champions League and they will have a massive winner.
Humphrey, Savage and Fletcher should be kept well away.
If they don't use James Richardson, the usual EFS pundits and others such as Andy Brassell on their Champions League coverage, they'll be making a big mistake. The fact that all those already work for BT is hopefully a good sign. I still think they'll have Humphrey presenting at least some matches though - they'll need more than one presenter. Richardson had better be in that group. The European Football Show is the best thing on BT - and consistently, too.
If they don't use James Richardson, the usual EFS pundits and others such as Andy Brassell on their Champions League coverage, they'll be making a big mistake. The fact that all those already work for BT is hopefully a good sign. I still think they'll have Humphrey presenting at least some matches though - they'll need more than one presenter. Richardson had better be in that group. The European Football Show is the best thing on BT - and consistently, too.
EFS indirectly mocks English football every week and Richardson compares European transfer fees to English ones
Hope so to put him on Champions League would be lunacy. Going to BBC and getting Humphrey and Fletcher was on og of immense proportions from BT. They have shown they can put a great show on with the European coverage, do the same for the Champions League and they will have a massive winner.
Humphrey, Savage and Fletcher should be kept well away.
Humphrey maybe but the other 2 I suspect will play a part in their coverage.
Darren Fletcher seems to come across a fairly decent presenter to be fair, better in my opinion than a TV Commentator although if things stay as they are then he will almost defiantly get one of the 2 big finals, Darke the Champion's League and Fletcher the Europa Cup but its still a long way off yet.
Talking of Ian Darke, Owen Hargreaves is with him tonight commentating on Germany v Argentina on BT Sport 1.
EFS indirectly mocks English football every week and Richardson compares European transfer fees to English ones
I don't see the problem with that. They aren't going overboard, and I don't remember them just mocking English football either, they joke about everything, it's the style of the show and has been Richardson's presentation style for years.
I don't see the problem with that. They aren't going overboard, and I don't remember them just mocking English football either, they joke about everything, it's the style of the show and has been Richardson's presentation style for years.
no problem but are joking about the hype of English football from the other areas of BT sport
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I work for a TV buying agency and someone from Sky very strongly indicated that they have to review where the reporters stand on future TDDs as they feel they are one nutter away from a serious incident.
I do enjoy seeing how much more OTT SSN go each year. Though I do think they need to be careful with the crowd thing - it makes the day fun but as you say all it requires one nutter for something serious to happen. They need to be careful.
There's no easy way of doing it although there didn't seem many outside Carrington when you'd expect there to be? Security maybe? (Utd are more security conscious than many clubs)
Being inside obviously makes it harder to interview people coming and going but ultimately Sky are liable should anything happen to a reporter.
Perhaps we got a glimpse of that on Monday with Geraint Hughes reporting from inside the Emirates Stadium after having something thrown at him and requiring the presence of security last time when he was outside the ground.
Yeh, there's some morons around, security would probably suffice
January isn't as much of a problem due to the weather and less activity
Yes it gets more ridiculous every year.
What a load of twaddle.
Apologies from me then - Jamo was a bad example.
And maybe I'm being very pedantic (almost certainly am) but sorry if I were to hear Jake suddenly saying "You'll be hearing what Scholesly, Wrighty and Jamo made of that half after the break" or something similar it'll make me cringe.
Don't know why it does (and why for example I can cope with it easily enough on other channels) and my mistake was probably to think why but that's my view.
Though I do think there's a slight difference between a fan saying it to him personally and Jake Humphrey saying it all the time rather than his actual name during a live match broadcast.
Still - I'll leave it there as even I'm bored of talking about it now and I doubt I'll change my view soon and don't fancy a huge argument over it to be honest ha.
Changing gear, I agree with jimmylad about the ITV4 Bundesliga show. It's a great little show - entertaining and covers what you'd want it to in an hour.
Thank you for that information - I didn't know any of that, so apologies that my criticism of Pearce was misplaced. Perhaps he could have referenced the precise Attenborough connection, though, as I'm sure that there were many like me who were a bit confused (although perhaps that hit the cutting room floor - who knows?!)
He did mention it at the start of his commentary - I think the players were wearing black armbands or something from memory?
It's fair enough using a nickname in that context and I wouldn't have a problem if broadcasters referred to each other by nicknames off air. On air though I agree with BFGArmy that it's not generally suitable for a more formal, professional broadcast. After all the viewers don't know them in that context and on some occasions it might not even be clear who is being referred to (I remember on one Monday Night Football Keys and Gray referring to 'Smudger and the voice' which I suppose would have confused the average viewer.
I agree with this completely; the use of nicknames on Sky comes across as the genuine way that a group of friends and colleagues refer to each other, whereas on BT Sport it just seems a much more contrived way that personnel there refer to each other - to the point where you feel that the bosses have insisted upon it in order to create the same kind of feeling of 'mates watching football' that Sky have.
On the subject of BT Sport, if you want further proof that Jake Humphrey is getting too big for his boots, read this.
Just wonder...give him enough rope.....If rumours are true and BT are looking for another presenter for their Champion's League maybe their blue eyed boy is becoming a darker eyed boy.
Hope so to put him on Champions League would be lunacy. Going to BBC and getting Humphrey and Fletcher was on og of immense proportions from BT. They have shown they can put a great show on with the European coverage, do the same for the Champions League and they will have a massive winner.
Humphrey, Savage and Fletcher should be kept well away.
Doubt it. The first thing they'd do is ask him to tone it down and there's clearly no obviously example of him doing that.
Whilst I accept that most people only tune in for the football, I'm sure if the pre-match stuff is good enough people would make an attempt to watch it. I certainly do with MNF and Super Sunday (most weeks).
BT's 45 minute build up on a Saturday morning is frankly unwatchable. I never have any idea what they're trying to achieve and it just comes across as a mess. There is actually no point watching it unless you support one of the teams on show and wish to see the pre-match interview with your manager. Nothing of any note happens, Just a pointless VT followed by pointless questioning of the guests. Its so amateur it's unbelievable.
Ah, OK - sorry about that. I'll listen more carefully in future!
EFS indirectly mocks English football every week and Richardson compares European transfer fees to English ones
Humphrey maybe but the other 2 I suspect will play a part in their coverage.
Darren Fletcher seems to come across a fairly decent presenter to be fair, better in my opinion than a TV Commentator although if things stay as they are then he will almost defiantly get one of the 2 big finals, Darke the Champion's League and Fletcher the Europa Cup but its still a long way off yet.
Talking of Ian Darke, Owen Hargreaves is with him tonight commentating on Germany v Argentina on BT Sport 1.
According to Charles Sale (yes I know!) Sky have had to report to OFCOM due to a number of complaints
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2741316/Leicester-director-football-Terry-Robinson-survives-inquiries-alleged-racist-comment.html
no problem but are joking about the hype of English football from the other areas of BT sport
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-england-international-ray-wilkins-appointed-head-coach-101643827
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