I was reading through this thread before and it said 'closed' but now it's open again
*shrugs*
Anyway, my twopence worth (for what it's worth) is that Shirley was an independent character pre Phil so she can be an independent character post Phil. However they seriously need to increase her 'circle' though, whether that's her becoming good mates with Denise or/and Jean or bringing Carly back full time (and perhaps introduce her sister) or a combination of it all. Bringing her son back would be great too considering the sour note (to say the least!) they parted on.
Linda is a good, competent actress (IMO of course) so it would be a waste to let her go.
Yes. They can bond over their mutual love of the bottle and how they are both abysmal parents.
Exactly, they have so much in common . I'd like to see Cora and Shirley being appointed as Managers of the Gutter where they will serve drinks to homeless people and two-bit lushes :cool:. Lauren of course will be their number one customer .
I wish the scriptwriters would think up of a scene where Shirley goes mad and commits some murderous deed on Phil (bloody death) in revenge for her best pal Heather and sets fire on the Queen Victoria pub/The Arches (or both!) before she leaves Victoria Square for good & letting Sharon take the rap (wrongly)!
I wish the scriptwriters would think up of a scene where Shirley goes mad and commits some murderous deed on Phil (bloody death) in revenge for her best pal Heather and sets fire on the Queen Victoria pub/The Arches (or both!) before she leaves Victoria Square for good & letting Sharon take the rap (wrongly)!
Yeah. Phil and Shirley would battle for her affections. Both knowing they love her more than she does them. Why do you think Shirley called Jack a doormat despite being the biggest one herself? She is jealous of him!
In the middle of reading this, half the thread vanished...usual suspects I bet.
I'm on the fence about Shirley, there's so much that could be done with her and ripping her from Phil was absolutely the right decision but they seem to be stuck now as to what to do. Her development has been pretty good overall, but the last year has really hammered her into a corner, they've cut all her closest allies off and she's been left stranded. Something should have been done long before now to introduce Shirley to a new character set, and avoid the inevitable step backwards they are bound to eventually take getting Phil and Shirley back together. I predict a Phil/Shirley affair and Sharon falling into the arms of Joey once it's out in the open.
If they try something new with Shirley I'm all for her sticking around. When it comes down to it, she's an asset to the show, but I beg of the EastEnders writers, please god stop writing female characters as desperate and lonely? They've been playing the same story with several characters for a few years now - supposedly strong, independent women falling at the feet of their men over and over.
Ah, I knew someone would point that out, so I edited it as "Branning/Cross" . I think you know what I mean when I say Branning though. The Cross' are like extended members of the family.
What can be done though? More drinking? More empty threats directed at Philth? More snarling? Seen that all before.
Maybe you're right, what better revenge than for Shirley to make something of herself.
I'd love to see her sister to be brought in and Zsa Zsa brought back, I don't like down and out Shirley and I hate the way they're making her into the female Billy Mitchell.
Id like to see the rise of Shirley possibly, the bookies could be brought back into EE and owned by someone who could be a new love interest for Shirls. A rogue type character that would give Phil a run for his money!
I want to see Jay and Shirls bond focused on a little more.
Shirley and Denise have history and Zainab is gone they could concentrate on Shirley/Denise friendship and Carol to be brought into the fro
I agree. I liked Shirley but she was ruined for me when she not only did not do the decent thing but actually lied to the police to help Phil get away with it. Talk about pissing on your mates memory. Yet was happy for Jay and Ben to take the rap. She has been isolated to 1 character and now its all coming back to haunt her she has no purpose. Denise is being blended in with the Beales and her own family. There is no interaction with her or anyone now.
Shirley & sharon get it on:eek:
it turns out coras sharons mom :eek
then she reveals shes also shirleys mom :eek::eek::eek:
& that phils there half-brother,after giving him up as a baby & peggy adopted him :eek::eek::eek::eek:
So do I and I love Linda Henry. She is fantastic, but Shirley has become a dreadful character now.
I do agree, I don't like the current state of Shirley. I do believe though Shirley as a character is a long way off been a right off, the writers do have different areas to explore with her if they could just start being creative with their scripts and stop trodding over the same shite over and over again.
Areas which could be developed:-
Denise friendship
New love interest - a mysterious new man
Family - Sister/Zsa Zas/Deano even a one off special with Deano. Does she only have a sister is there anymore siblings or parents?
Career - Shirley is quite resourceful i'd like to see her with a decentish job.
New friends - I want to see friendships which are more like the friendships of Sue/Kathy/Pauline/Angie days friends dont have to be pairs!
I like your ideas, CherryRose. If they could bring Shirley back to the way she was when she first came to EE I may start liking her again. Not so much a fan anymore, she irritates me more than anything else.
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Do you like the colour green?
Haha, indeed .
I'll make an observation and say "yes, they do"
I was reading through this thread before and it said 'closed' but now it's open again
*shrugs*
Anyway, my twopence worth (for what it's worth) is that Shirley was an independent character pre Phil so she can be an independent character post Phil. However they seriously need to increase her 'circle' though, whether that's her becoming good mates with Denise or/and Jean or bringing Carly back full time (and perhaps introduce her sister) or a combination of it all. Bringing her son back would be great too considering the sour note (to say the least!) they parted on.
Linda is a good, competent actress (IMO of course) so it would be a waste to let her go.
Shirley: I'm the worst parent
Cora: No, I'm the worst parent
Everyone else: shut UP! You're BOTH terrible!
Shirley & Cora in unison: thanks!
Exactly, they have so much in common . I'd like to see Cora and Shirley being appointed as Managers of the Gutter where they will serve drinks to homeless people and two-bit lushes :cool:. Lauren of course will be their number one customer .
Sharon *runs*
Oh so younger and blonde then?
cough Albert Square cough
She'd have the same taste as Phil (that was NOT an indication that Phil loves Shirley )
Yeah. Phil and Shirley would battle for her affections. Both knowing they love her more than she does them. Why do you think Shirley called Jack a doormat despite being the biggest one herself? She is jealous of him!
I'm on the fence about Shirley, there's so much that could be done with her and ripping her from Phil was absolutely the right decision but they seem to be stuck now as to what to do. Her development has been pretty good overall, but the last year has really hammered her into a corner, they've cut all her closest allies off and she's been left stranded. Something should have been done long before now to introduce Shirley to a new character set, and avoid the inevitable step backwards they are bound to eventually take getting Phil and Shirley back together. I predict a Phil/Shirley affair and Sharon falling into the arms of Joey once it's out in the open.
If they try something new with Shirley I'm all for her sticking around. When it comes down to it, she's an asset to the show, but I beg of the EastEnders writers, please god stop writing female characters as desperate and lonely? They've been playing the same story with several characters for a few years now - supposedly strong, independent women falling at the feet of their men over and over.
Maybe you're right, what better revenge than for Shirley to make something of herself.
I'd love to see her sister to be brought in and Zsa Zsa brought back, I don't like down and out Shirley and I hate the way they're making her into the female Billy Mitchell.
Id like to see the rise of Shirley possibly, the bookies could be brought back into EE and owned by someone who could be a new love interest for Shirls. A rogue type character that would give Phil a run for his money!
I want to see Jay and Shirls bond focused on a little more.
Shirley and Denise have history and Zainab is gone they could concentrate on Shirley/Denise friendship and Carol to be brought into the fro
I only think she should go in her current form.
I loved Shirley when she was first introduced.
So do I and I love Linda Henry. She is fantastic, but Shirley has become a dreadful character now.
I agree. I liked Shirley but she was ruined for me when she not only did not do the decent thing but actually lied to the police to help Phil get away with it. Talk about pissing on your mates memory. Yet was happy for Jay and Ben to take the rap. She has been isolated to 1 character and now its all coming back to haunt her she has no purpose. Denise is being blended in with the Beales and her own family. There is no interaction with her or anyone now.
so heres how i think the SL should go
Shirley & sharon get it on:eek:
it turns out coras sharons mom :eek
then she reveals shes also shirleys mom :eek::eek::eek:
& that phils there half-brother,after giving him up as a baby & peggy adopted him :eek::eek::eek::eek:
I was so happy when Linda Henry was cast after being such a fan of her on Bad Girls.
I loved her feud with Pat and how brash she was she first arrived. Phil-Shirley, mixed with shoddy writing damaged her character tremendously.
When I watched Bad Girls I always thought to myself that Linda should be in EE as Phils woman. But it's never lived up to my expectations.
I do agree, I don't like the current state of Shirley. I do believe though Shirley as a character is a long way off been a right off, the writers do have different areas to explore with her if they could just start being creative with their scripts and stop trodding over the same shite over and over again.
Areas which could be developed:-
Denise friendship
New love interest - a mysterious new man
Family - Sister/Zsa Zas/Deano even a one off special with Deano. Does she only have a sister is there anymore siblings or parents?
Career - Shirley is quite resourceful i'd like to see her with a decentish job.
New friends - I want to see friendships which are more like the friendships of Sue/Kathy/Pauline/Angie days friends dont have to be pairs!
Ooooooo
You're naughty tonight my love
I've needed it, been a bit stressed recently so need a bit of a laugh.