Thanks for your feedback, but I honestly believe (can't say for sure because I've never done this) that you're overcomplicating the issue.
No, I'm not- with respect, you're oversimplying it.
This posteralready confirmed that PAL 60 didn't work with his DVD recorder *nor* his TV card. On the other hand, this other person found a DVD recorder that works. As I (correctly) guessed, it's a case-by-case basis thing. It's not guaranteed, because no-one said it was.
Surely if you have an NTSC compatible video, which can play NSTC tapes on a PAL TV, then surely a PC TV card should also be able to display and deal with the same input for the simple fact it is a TV card and as such should be able to handle all TV signals.
I think you expect more from both TVs and TV cards than they guarantee; I doubt any can handle "all" signals.
"PAL 60" is essentially a trick that relies (AFAIK) on the fact that *most* recent PAL sets can tolerate and display nonstandard framerates and line counts (i.e. 525-line/60Hz) sufficiently. That doesn't change the fact that it's not within the standard spec (and I'm guessing that most TVs don't actually *claim* to support it).
But TV cards have to handle the signal quite differently in order to digitise it. I guessed- correctly as it turns out- that the fact that one can normally "get away" with PAL-60 for TV display says nothing about whether it'll work with a TV card or DVD recorder's digitiser.
As far as the card is concerned, it should be just another TV transmission [..] The job of the video recorder is to do whatever is required to enable the NTSC input to be viewable on PAL equipment.
"NTSC Playback" does make an NTSC *cassette* "viewable" on most PAL TVs, but it's definitely *not* (and probably doesn't claim to be) a true signal conversion compatible with any PAL equipment.
VCRs that do a proper NTSC to (genuine 50Hz/625-line) PAL conversion exist- see one of the linked posts above- but that's not the same as lower-end PAL-60 "NTSC Playback" models.
What would happen if you connected two video recorders together and tried making a PAL copy? In theory that should work because the PAL VCR would be recording the (already converted) PAL output.
Assuming you mean a cheap "NTSC Playback" (PAL-60) VCR- not an expensive standards-converting one as above- then... no, that wouldn't work.
Reason being that it *hasn't* been converted to PAL, only PAL-60. And while most TVs will display that, it's still nonstandard, and PAL video recorders generally won't re-record it.
Assuming you mean a cheap "NTSC Playback" (PAL-60) VCR- not an expensive standards-converting one as above- then... no, that wouldn't work.
Reason being that it *hasn't* been converted to PAL, only PAL-60. And while most TVs will display that, it's still nonstandard, and PAL video recorders generally won't re-record it.
I tried recording an NTSC tape from VHS to VHS ages ago and just got a black screen.
A film buff I know had a world standard VHS recorder which were over £300 to buy. Which converted it.
Yet my Panasonic DRM ES10 will record an NTSC tape if connected via scart to composite leads in the back of the recorder. Just made sure the VHS is set to AV2 and the Recorder to AV4.
I did try a back up of one commercially bought tape with this method but got a message on the DVD recorder saying unable to record and it stopped about 20 seconds in. Only rarely happens.
I tried recording an NTSC tape from VHS to VHS ages ago and just got a black screen.
A film buff I know had a world standard VHS recorder which were over £300 to buy. Which converted it.
According to this post, the "World Standard" recorders actually *converted* the signal to a regular spec-conformant PAL signal, though. So in that case, it *ought* to work anyway (though analogue video recorders could sometimes be flakey, I guess).
I did try a back up of one commercially bought tape with this method but got a message on the DVD recorder saying unable to record and it stopped about 20 seconds in. Only rarely happens.
That's the DVD recorder detecting the Macrovision copy protection - nowt whatsoever to do with NTSC or PAL etc.
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No, I'm not- with respect, you're oversimplying it.
This poster already confirmed that PAL 60 didn't work with his DVD recorder *nor* his TV card. On the other hand, this other person found a DVD recorder that works. As I (correctly) guessed, it's a case-by-case basis thing. It's not guaranteed, because no-one said it was.
I think you expect more from both TVs and TV cards than they guarantee; I doubt any can handle "all" signals.
"PAL 60" is essentially a trick that relies (AFAIK) on the fact that *most* recent PAL sets can tolerate and display nonstandard framerates and line counts (i.e. 525-line/60Hz) sufficiently. That doesn't change the fact that it's not within the standard spec (and I'm guessing that most TVs don't actually *claim* to support it).
But TV cards have to handle the signal quite differently in order to digitise it. I guessed- correctly as it turns out- that the fact that one can normally "get away" with PAL-60 for TV display says nothing about whether it'll work with a TV card or DVD recorder's digitiser.
"NTSC Playback" does make an NTSC *cassette* "viewable" on most PAL TVs, but it's definitely *not* (and probably doesn't claim to be) a true signal conversion compatible with any PAL equipment.
VCRs that do a proper NTSC to (genuine 50Hz/625-line) PAL conversion exist- see one of the linked posts above- but that's not the same as lower-end PAL-60 "NTSC Playback" models.
Assuming you mean a cheap "NTSC Playback" (PAL-60) VCR- not an expensive standards-converting one as above- then... no, that wouldn't work.
Reason being that it *hasn't* been converted to PAL, only PAL-60. And while most TVs will display that, it's still nonstandard, and PAL video recorders generally won't re-record it.
I tried recording an NTSC tape from VHS to VHS ages ago and just got a black screen.
A film buff I know had a world standard VHS recorder which were over £300 to buy. Which converted it.
Yet my Panasonic DRM ES10 will record an NTSC tape if connected via scart to composite leads in the back of the recorder. Just made sure the VHS is set to AV2 and the Recorder to AV4.
I did try a back up of one commercially bought tape with this method but got a message on the DVD recorder saying unable to record and it stopped about 20 seconds in. Only rarely happens.
According to this post, the "World Standard" recorders actually *converted* the signal to a regular spec-conformant PAL signal, though. So in that case, it *ought* to work anyway (though analogue video recorders could sometimes be flakey, I guess).
Just out of curiosity, are you feeding it an actual NTSC signal or a PAL-60 one from an "NTSC Playback" machine?
That's the DVD recorder detecting the Macrovision copy protection - nowt whatsoever to do with NTSC or PAL etc.