Yup there's also a push to get more engineering taught in education to facilitate an upsurge in manufacturing, hopefully we can get a return to apprenticeships.
As per usual, it's all thatchers fault but never anyone who came after her.
Thatcher was very popular at the time, until the PollTax came about. She turned around a country that was on its knees to the Unions and gave us prosperity again.
It's a shame those on the left can't really give solid reasons behind hating her so much other than some rhetoric.
She left office during a recession.......prosperity I do not think so!
I'd start with her patronising and condescending tone. The way she spoke about good sections of society like they were pieces of sh@t.
There were long running campaigns for economic sanctions against apartheid in South Africa in the 1980's. Thatcher must have agreed to some of it in the end, but she did so while being incredibly dismissive and derisive of the cause and what it would achieve.
It was her attitude, the things she didn't say but clearly believed that shone through. The patronising and condescending tone was a big part of why she's hated by some people.
You mean that now young men in Durham don't have to risk their lives and health going down coalmines - and risk emphysema and worse when they get old?
Thatcher's greatest failing was that whilst she knew how to destroy, she didn't know how to build. So all those young men saved from emphysema and worse ended up with nothing except possibly drug & drink problems - with results that Tories constantly whinge about today.
I think she is linked to every problem because she unleashed greed on us. It was then that incomes for the richest started to rocket which is why pretty much all we see today are monopolies. I just hope that we can overcome the ignorance, anxiety and apathy that stands in the way to a better tomorrow.
Not quite sure what to make of people handing out Maggie Death Cake, I suppose you've got to laugh...
One policy I feel that is most felt today is the sale of the country's utilities such as gas electric and water. We are now paying over the odds for our gas and electric just to profit share holders and foreign companies who own them now.
Every politician now feels that they have to act like Thatcher. So brute strength, broad stroke policies, aggression and confrontation have replaced subtlety, planning ahead and sensible compromise.
Clearly better off. Think of the average lifestlye of the poor now, compared to how they lived in the sixties and again to the eighties and again to now.
Clearly better off. Think of the average lifestlye of the poor now, compared to how they lived in the sixties and again to the eighties and again to now.
And the people in WW2 were better off than those in the Middle Ages.
Clearly better off. Think of the average lifestlye of the poor now, compared to how they lived in the sixties and again to the eighties and again to now.
There has been little gain, we've been getting poorer for some time and our mental wellbeing and general happiness is certainly not improved. Isn't wellbeing more important than living standards anyway. I hope our future lies in realizing that less is more.
Thatcher's greatest failing was that whilst she knew how to destroy, she didn't know how to build. So all those young men saved from emphysema and worse ended up with nothing except possibly drug & drink problems - with results that Tories constantly whinge about today.
Exactly, she created DLA to hide the unemployment figures too and now IDS is taking that away. Perhaps the poor arent poor enough for IDS.
She broke the back of militant union power, unfortunately we we were left with the utter shite management that allowed it to flourish in the first place.
She destroyed vast swaths of British industry due to a high exchange rate policy. It needed time to modernize to compete in the world. She killed it stone dead.
Right to buy? It's why we have a housing crises today. Might have been OK if the councils were allowed to build more houses with the money, but they were not.Falklands war? It's why she got elected the second time, but it was government cuts that encouraged the Argentinians in the first place. Did the right thing but a bit of foresight would have meant she wouldn't have had too. I was 24 at the time, I knew they were going to invade so why not the government?
She did however reduce taxation from silly amounts, and there was a feeling at the time that you could get on and achieve something, no mater what class you came from. This seems to be slipping away today
That's a fallacy. They were allowed to use the money for rebuilding providing they had no debts. So the answer was to use council house receipts to pay of council house debts which had been accumulating for years. They could also use the receipts for modernisation of housing stock without paying off the debts.
One policy I feel that is most felt today is the sale of the country's utilities such as gas electric and water. We are now paying over the odds for our gas and electric just to profit share holders and foreign companies who own them now.
Get government out of the way and take responsibility for your own life. Create your own future and live it.
Unfortunately many people still can't accept that.
That sounds fine in theory. Create a home owning democracy, buy your own home and not rely on a state home. Stay in work, and not rely on benefits. Take out private medical insurance, and not rely on the NHS. Send your kids to private schools and not rely on state schools. Of course, everyone should take responsibility for their own futures, so what did the government do?
Jack up interest rates, 1000 home repossessed every week when rates went up to 15%
Close down factories, ship yards, steel works, mines, shops and businesses, and you have long term benefit claimancy.
Very few people can afford private medical insurance, so the NHS is bursting at the seams.
Only the very rich can afford to send their kids to private schools enhancing the elitism and snobbery which has prevailed to this day.
It doesn't matter what Livingstone says, he's like Kinnock - bitter and twisted. The fact is she won 3 General Elections so she did enough good for enough people otherwise they would never have voted for her.
It doesn't matter what Livingstone says, he's like Kinnock - bitter and twisted. The fact is she won 3 General Elections so she did enough good for enough people otherwise they would never have voted for her.
I think the main reason for her winning 3 elections was that the Labour leaders at the time were laughingly unelectable, the worst in my opinion being Michael Foot pushing a crazy "face-palming" manifesto.
I knew some true blue Tories who hated Maggie's guts and were glad to see the back of her when she finally lost power.
"The Households Below Average Income Survey, published by the Department of Work and Pensions, shows that the incomes of the poorest 10% of UK households grew by just £24 per week in real terms over Labour's 13 years in power.
By contrast, the income of the top 10% of households increased by ten times that figure, going up from £897 to £1,153 per week (an increase of £256)."
You will actually find that under Labour the gap between the richest and poorest actually grew wider and was worse than under Thatcher!
That doesn't negate the fact that the gap between the rich and poor shot through the roof under Thatcher..
Under Labour it was still the effect of her policies, the same ones that Tory supporters used whenever it suited to take credit for any success Labour had at the time.
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Yup there's also a push to get more engineering taught in education to facilitate an upsurge in manufacturing, hopefully we can get a return to apprenticeships.
Are they?. Really?
She left office during a recession.......prosperity I do not think so!
There were long running campaigns for economic sanctions against apartheid in South Africa in the 1980's. Thatcher must have agreed to some of it in the end, but she did so while being incredibly dismissive and derisive of the cause and what it would achieve.
It was her attitude, the things she didn't say but clearly believed that shone through. The patronising and condescending tone was a big part of why she's hated by some people.
Not quite sure what to make of people handing out Maggie Death Cake, I suppose you've got to laugh...
Clearly better off. Think of the average lifestlye of the poor now, compared to how they lived in the sixties and again to the eighties and again to now.
Indeed.
There has been little gain, we've been getting poorer for some time and our mental wellbeing and general happiness is certainly not improved. Isn't wellbeing more important than living standards anyway. I hope our future lies in realizing that less is more.
Exactly, she created DLA to hide the unemployment figures too and now IDS is taking that away. Perhaps the poor arent poor enough for IDS.
That's a fallacy. They were allowed to use the money for rebuilding providing they had no debts. So the answer was to use council house receipts to pay of council house debts which had been accumulating for years. They could also use the receipts for modernisation of housing stock without paying off the debts.
Lady Thatcher didn’t just lead our country, she saved our country.
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron
European commision enforces that rule.
That sounds fine in theory. Create a home owning democracy, buy your own home and not rely on a state home. Stay in work, and not rely on benefits. Take out private medical insurance, and not rely on the NHS. Send your kids to private schools and not rely on state schools. Of course, everyone should take responsibility for their own futures, so what did the government do?
Jack up interest rates, 1000 home repossessed every week when rates went up to 15%
Close down factories, ship yards, steel works, mines, shops and businesses, and you have long term benefit claimancy.
Very few people can afford private medical insurance, so the NHS is bursting at the seams.
Only the very rich can afford to send their kids to private schools enhancing the elitism and snobbery which has prevailed to this day.
Look at the evidence.
What was it Cameron said again?
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I think the main reason for her winning 3 elections was that the Labour leaders at the time were laughingly unelectable, the worst in my opinion being Michael Foot pushing a crazy "face-palming" manifesto.
I knew some true blue Tories who hated Maggie's guts and were glad to see the back of her when she finally lost power.
You will actually find that under Labour the gap between the richest and poorest actually grew wider and was worse than under Thatcher!
The real-terms gap in incomes between the highest and lowest earners actually grew by a staggering £237 per week between 1997 and 2010.
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/6041-rich-get-richer-under-labour-according-to-new-figures
"The Households Below Average Income Survey, published by the Department of Work and Pensions, shows that the incomes of the poorest 10% of UK households grew by just £24 per week in real terms over Labour's 13 years in power.
By contrast, the income of the top 10% of households increased by ten times that figure, going up from £897 to £1,153 per week (an increase of £256)."
That doesn't negate the fact that the gap between the rich and poor shot through the roof under Thatcher..
Under Labour it was still the effect of her policies, the same ones that Tory supporters used whenever it suited to take credit for any success Labour had at the time.