I agree, plus she must know far more about the gay community's concerns and needs than many straight viewers. Also, I think she's doing Alicia a favour; Alicia does need to toughen up and esteem up ... she was being used by Perez. I like that Michelle cares enough to try to help her. Overall, watching her lose it with the stress of being around Perez, I think she's done very well indeed.
Michelle is hard faced hard woman... and you cant force someone whos soft like Alicia to put on a front and fight like her.... it doesnt happen like that and could lead to Alicia hating herself in the end...a little assertiveness wouldnt go wrong but not to be like some of them who are downright bully frightening women... keep your softness Alicia.. and if they think your away with the fairies then maybe that would be better company than this coven ..
I agree, plus she must know far more about the gay community's concerns and needs than many straight viewers. Also, I think she's doing Alicia a favour; Alicia does need to toughen up and esteem up ... she was being used by Perez. I like that Michelle cares enough to try to help her. Overall, watching her lose it with the stress of being around Perez, I think she's done very well indeed.
Of for God's sake....what is it Michelle Visage's business how Alicia Duvall conducts herself in the house. WHo made her the guardian of Alicia's behaviour. Preposterous:D
Seems to me Michelle has had too many sychophantic people feeding her ego.
Of for God's sake....what is it Michelle Visage's business how Alicia Duvall conducts herself in the house. WHo made her the guardian of Alicia's behaviour. Preposterous:D
Seems to me Michelle has had too many sychophantic people feeding her ego.
It's quite ironic considering how her mate Katie P makes out that Nadia tries to control other people's behaviour and tells them the correct way in which they should behave.
It's quite ironic considering how her mate Katie P makes out that Nadia tries to control other people's behaviour and tells them the correct way in which they should behave.
worked as a supervisor for years, have had to use skills to read people for honesty. I think emotion is colouring many people's opinions here, not neccessarily AGE or lack of experience.
as for IQ, some people have street smarts and others are naive. Neither really counts when it comes to Big Brother and OPINION
i read michelle as a hardcore FAKE. she has her little speeches she bolsters the others, riles them up and sets em loose....sitting back waiting for the chance to play 'the voice of reason'.
while I appreciate her attempts at gameplay, i think she's backed the wrong horse. Chloe and cami were the meangirls and i think the old bird was trying too hard to join into the young crowd.
its kinda sad. I still think she's making sure Cami is going to go before she does. ITs about making sure other people are your human shield thus giving you a better chance at staying.
worked as a supervisor for years, have had to use skills to read people for honesty. I think emotion is colouring many people's opinions here, not neccessarily AGE or lack of experience.
as for IQ, some people have street smarts and others are naive. Neither really counts when it comes to Big Brother and OPINION
i read michelle as a hardcore FAKE. she has her little speeches she bolsters the others, riles them up and sets em loose....sitting back waiting for the chance to play 'the voice of reason'.
while I appreciate her attempts at gameplay, i think she's backed the wrong horse. Chloe and cami were the meangirls and i think the old bird was trying too hard to join into the young crowd.
its kinda sad. I still think she's making sure Cami is going to go before she does. ITs about making sure other people are your human shield thus giving you a better chance at staying.
Well said, and spot on. I have totally gone of Michelle as well, for those reasons.
I agree with you. It became so transparent when she put on the tears in her first speech about gay rights.
I didn't know what group she was talking about when she said 'we', as in a group she belonged to, so I was a bit confused. It was only later in her speech that she mentioned that she was talking about gay rights and I could hardly believe what I was hearing.
Michelle was just looking for the sympathy vote when she did that little speech. She comes across as being very patronising towards Gay people.
Of for God's sake....what is it Michelle Visage's business how Alicia Duvall conducts herself in the house. WHo made her the guardian of Alicia's behaviour. Preposterous:D
Seems to me Michelle has had too many sychophantic people feeding her ego.
The whole 'I am the official spokesperson for the whole gay community and we do not want Perez because he is too camp' thing is so see through
I've gone off her. I initally wanted her to win but as a gay man I do not agree with her behaviour. after the whole Alexander bussiness. She tells the guy who said it off for just over one second before laying into the victim by shouting across the room for two minutes.
No thank you.
Not really gone off her,and I'm not sure why anyone else would... most of things people are pointing out she has been doing since day one.. Maybe she's just friendly with the 'wrong' housemates...for some posters ;-)
I'm really disappointed in Michelle. I thought in the early days she would be "her own person" and not be dragged along by group mentality. Her affiliation with Katie and the mean girls has not done her any favours with the public. In all this mess in the house Alicia is actually coming over as the female who will speak her mind directly without any real backing behind her. She will challenge mean girls directly - unlike Nadia or Patsy - who just whisper in the corner.
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worked as a supervisor for years, have had to use skills to read people for honesty. I think emotion is colouring many people's opinions here, not neccessarily AGE or lack of experience.
as for IQ, some people have street smarts and others are naive. Neither really counts when it comes to Big Brother and OPINION
i read michelle as a hardcore FAKE. she has her little speeches she bolsters the others, riles them up and sets em loose....sitting back waiting for the chance to play 'the voice of reason'.
while I appreciate her attempts at gameplay, i think she's backed the wrong horse. Chloe and cami were the meangirls and i think the old bird was trying too hard to join into the young crowd.
its kinda sad. I still think she's making sure Cami is going to go before she does. ITs about making sure other people are your human shield thus giving you a better chance at staying.
Excellent post.
She does appear to have quite ferocious fans who I imagine tear up with anger at any criticism of her..............I did not know who she was prior to entering the house but it appears she has some kind of idol status, which she thoroughly enjoys and wants to expand ...
I quite liked her the first few days, but I find her hard nosed and ruthless for her own ends and a massive hypocrite who will readily tell porkies to stay in the 'strong' pack ......she is far too quick to get on the soap box and the OTT crying just ridiculous.. it is becoming tedious......her actual behaviour in the house pretty much goes against all that she spouts, others talk of HM's being 'enablers' and that is her to a T, she does not address downright poor behaviour to a perceived 'weak' member of the house, but encourages it, enjoys it and loads the gun and watches it kick off..of course always ready to calm and stoke the hair of her 'strong' girls...........I find nothing admirable about an individual that wants to act martyr to a cause and yet indulges in pretty skanky behaviour to any one she considers less than worthy of being treated with common decency and respect regardless of if they like them as a person..........she doesn't like generalisations and poor treatment of a particular group/person and yet does not practice what she (often) preaches...which makes her appear all the more insincere.
She enjoys the pedestal she is on and just wants to widen the net here and I think in that respect she will have gained new fans so job done.
Excellent post.
She does appear to have quite ferocious fans who I imagine tear up with anger at any criticism of her..............I did not know who she was prior to entering the house but it appears she has some kind of idol status, which she thoroughly enjoys and wants to expand ...
I quite liked her the first few days, but I find her hard nosed and ruthless for her own ends and a massive hypocrite who will readily tell porkies to stay in the 'strong' pack ......she is far too quick to get on the soap box and the OTT crying just ridiculous.. it is becoming tedious......her actual behaviour in the house pretty much goes against all that she spouts, others talk of HM's being 'enablers' and that is her to a T, she does not address downright poor behaviour to a perceived 'weak' member of the house, but encourages it, enjoys it and loads the gun and watches it kick off..of course always ready to calm and stoke the hair of her 'strong' girls...........I find nothing admirable about an individual that wants to act martyr to a cause and yet indulges in pretty skanky behaviour to any one she considers less than worthy of being treated with common decency and respect regardless of if they like them as a person..........she doesn't like generalisations and poor treatment of a particular group/person and yet does not practice what she (often) preaches...which makes her appear all the more insincere. She enjoys the pedestal she is on and just wants to widen the net here and I think in that respect she will have gained new fans so job done.
I feel pretty similar
I thought I was going to love her after my teenage son kept telling me how amazing she was but I feel disappointed that she's aligned herself so strongly with Katie Hopkins
To be fair. Where can she go? She don't like Mario so she can't go to Nadia or Patsy? Who else? Calum? He hangs around Cami Li who Hopkins follows around.she don't have much choice.
If Mario left then it may change things. As it is Michelle and Hopkins have something in common.
Excellent post.
She does appear to have quite ferocious fans who I imagine tear up with anger at any criticism of her..............I did not know who she was prior to entering the house but it appears she has some kind of idol status, which she thoroughly enjoys and wants to expand ...
I quite liked her the first few days, but I find her hard nosed and ruthless for her own ends and a massive hypocrite who will readily tell porkies to stay in the 'strong' pack ......she is far too quick to get on the soap box and the OTT crying just ridiculous.. it is becoming tedious......her actual behaviour in the house pretty much goes against all that she spouts, others talk of HM's being 'enablers' and that is her to a T, she does not address downright poor behaviour to a perceived 'weak' member of the house, but encourages it, enjoys it and loads the gun and watches it kick off..of course always ready to calm and stoke the hair of her 'strong' girls...........I find nothing admirable about an individual that wants to act martyr to a cause and yet indulges in pretty skanky behaviour to any one she considers less than worthy of being treated with common decency and respect regardless of if they like them as a person..........she doesn't like generalisations and poor treatment of a particular group/person and yet does not practice what she (often) preaches...which makes her appear all the more insincere.
She enjoys the pedestal she is on and just wants to widen the net here and I think in that respect she will have gained new fans so job done.
It's interesting the difference between how she describes herself and how her actions describe her.
Describes herself as standing up for outcasts and minorities, yet referred to Alicia as "Dingbat" and is happy to engage in pack attacks of someone she describes as "weak" and has "one brain cell", not quite the champion of the outcast there then.....
The hypocritical whipping up of Cami and Chloe to attack Alicia for taking a banana when she and Katie had carefully stolen and hidden food earlier, a case of do as i say and not as i do?
The champion of LGBT rights but doesn't attack the HM who calls a gay man a "****" but instead berates the gay man for being the wrong sort of gay.
Anyone who repeatedly tells me they are one thing when their actions belie their propaganda is an unreliable narrator.
To be fair. Where can she go? She don't like Mario so she can't go to Nadia or Patsy? Who else? Calum? He hangs around Cami Li who Hopkins follows around.she don't have much choice.
If Mario left then it may change things. As it is Michelle and Hopkins have something in common.
I hadn't even considered this. It's true, she doesn't really have any other friendship options. They mutual distaste for Perez had bonded them.
I'm really disappointed in her TBH. I thought she was great the first few days - she seems to have a really nasty streak in her.
Me too. She's turned out to be a histrionic awful woman and such a disappointment. Her latest round of spiel last night to Alicia was unbelievably stupid and patronising. Alicia has more balls than she' ll ever has and doesn't hide behind a juvenile gang, with the biggest gobshite deciding she will shut them up and speak for them all. Mindless sheep doesn't begin to cover it.
It's interesting the difference between how she describes herself and how her actions describe her.
Describes herself as standing up for outcasts and minorities, yet referred to Alicia as "Dingbat" and is happy to engage in pack attacks of someone she describes as "weak" and has "one brain cell", not quite the champion of the outcast there then.....
The hypocritical whipping up of Cami and Chloe to attack Alicia for taking a banana when she and Katie had carefully stolen and hidden food earlier, a case of do as i say and not as i do?
The champion of LGBT rights but doesn't attack the HM who calls a gay man a "****" but instead berates the gay man for being the wrong sort of gay. Anyone who repeatedly tells me they are one thing when their actions belie their propaganda is an unreliable narrator.
worked as a supervisor for years, have had to use skills to read people for honesty. I think emotion is colouring many people's opinions here, not neccessarily AGE or lack of experience.
as for IQ, some people have street smarts and others are naive. Neither really counts when it comes to Big Brother and OPINION
i read michelle as a hardcore FAKE. she has her little speeches she bolsters the others, riles them up and sets em loose....sitting back waiting for the chance to play 'the voice of reason'.
while I appreciate her attempts at gameplay, i think she's backed the wrong horse. Chloe and cami were the meangirls and i think the old bird was trying too hard to join into the young crowd.
its kinda sad. I still think she's making sure Cami is going to go before she does. ITs about making sure other people are your human shield thus giving you a better chance at staying.
Well said. She's an expert gun loader and well practised at whipping up any situation into a frenzy to give herself the caring role at the end of the mess. I began to doubt her when Ken was rude to her about shagging Callum. She immediately said she wasn't offended but the others would be. In other words I'm far too together to be offended unlike the other women. That was spineless and passing the buck.Then she slagged him off behind his back, of course.
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Of for God's sake....what is it Michelle Visage's business how Alicia Duvall conducts herself in the house. WHo made her the guardian of Alicia's behaviour. Preposterous:D
Seems to me Michelle has had too many sychophantic people feeding her ego.
It's quite ironic considering how her mate Katie P makes out that Nadia tries to control other people's behaviour and tells them the correct way in which they should behave.
isn't it just.;-)
I couldn't agree more.
Well said, and spot on. I have totally gone of Michelle as well, for those reasons.
Michelle was just looking for the sympathy vote when she did that little speech. She comes across as being very patronising towards Gay people.
Totally agree
I've gone off her. I initally wanted her to win but as a gay man I do not agree with her behaviour. after the whole Alexander bussiness. She tells the guy who said it off for just over one second before laying into the victim by shouting across the room for two minutes.
No thank you.
She is not my ambassador/ representative.
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I actually glad you have a fave, I can't stand most of them..and yet I still tune in
Excellent post.
She does appear to have quite ferocious fans who I imagine tear up with anger at any criticism of her..............I did not know who she was prior to entering the house but it appears she has some kind of idol status, which she thoroughly enjoys and wants to expand ...
I quite liked her the first few days, but I find her hard nosed and ruthless for her own ends and a massive hypocrite who will readily tell porkies to stay in the 'strong' pack ......she is far too quick to get on the soap box and the OTT crying just ridiculous.. it is becoming tedious......her actual behaviour in the house pretty much goes against all that she spouts, others talk of HM's being 'enablers' and that is her to a T, she does not address downright poor behaviour to a perceived 'weak' member of the house, but encourages it, enjoys it and loads the gun and watches it kick off..of course always ready to calm and stoke the hair of her 'strong' girls...........I find nothing admirable about an individual that wants to act martyr to a cause and yet indulges in pretty skanky behaviour to any one she considers less than worthy of being treated with common decency and respect regardless of if they like them as a person..........she doesn't like generalisations and poor treatment of a particular group/person and yet does not practice what she (often) preaches...which makes her appear all the more insincere.
She enjoys the pedestal she is on and just wants to widen the net here and I think in that respect she will have gained new fans so job done.
Great post.
To be fair. Where can she go? She don't like Mario so she can't go to Nadia or Patsy? Who else? Calum? He hangs around Cami Li who Hopkins follows around.she don't have much choice.
If Mario left then it may change things. As it is Michelle and Hopkins have something in common.
It's interesting the difference between how she describes herself and how her actions describe her.
Describes herself as standing up for outcasts and minorities, yet referred to Alicia as "Dingbat" and is happy to engage in pack attacks of someone she describes as "weak" and has "one brain cell", not quite the champion of the outcast there then.....
The hypocritical whipping up of Cami and Chloe to attack Alicia for taking a banana when she and Katie had carefully stolen and hidden food earlier, a case of do as i say and not as i do?
The champion of LGBT rights but doesn't attack the HM who calls a gay man a "****" but instead berates the gay man for being the wrong sort of gay.
Anyone who repeatedly tells me they are one thing when their actions belie their propaganda is an unreliable narrator.
I hadn't even considered this. It's true, she doesn't really have any other friendship options. They mutual distaste for Perez had bonded them.
Me too. She's turned out to be a histrionic awful woman and such a disappointment. Her latest round of spiel last night to Alicia was unbelievably stupid and patronising. Alicia has more balls than she' ll ever has and doesn't hide behind a juvenile gang, with the biggest gobshite deciding she will shut them up and speak for them all. Mindless sheep doesn't begin to cover it.
Even if Michelle left, I'd still tune in as it's car crash TV at its best.
Nicely put, planets ;-)
Well said. She's an expert gun loader and well practised at whipping up any situation into a frenzy to give herself the caring role at the end of the mess. I began to doubt her when Ken was rude to her about shagging Callum. She immediately said she wasn't offended but the others would be. In other words I'm far too together to be offended unlike the other women. That was spineless and passing the buck.Then she slagged him off behind his back, of course.