Why should Radio 3 be protected, it's cost per user hour is far higher than any other station.
You can just hear the outcry in the Mail on behalf of Mr & Mrs Snooty from Guildford if Radio 3 started getting cut... I agree though, considering its small audience it is a very expensive station to run
There's absolutely zero chance of anyone proposing closing Radio 1. It's a long established network with over 10 million listeners. Remember the uproar when 6 Music was proposed to be closed, which at the time had fewer than 700,000 listeners.
R5L is in a prime position to provide a 'sustaining service' to BBC locals
They already thought of that, and it didn't go down very well at all. Plus 5 Live wouldn't be much good as a sustaining service when it gets taken over by sport during major events, such as at the present time. Even a proposal to increase shared output between neighbouring BBC Local Radio stations in daytime hours caused howls of protest and was eventually turned down.
I sense that the time for R1X has passed, and it now needs to morph into something with a new purpose, possibly with overnight sharing with R1
Radio 1 and 1Xtra already share for two hours a night, which increases to three hours in the autumn.
R6M excellent though it is, within its remit, must be an expensive service
R1 died on it's rear end when Bannister took over as controller and modelled it into a faceless robotic station with drug crazed presenters and an ego and personality that ran it into the ground and it's been dying badly ever since:(
You are having a laugh right? Radio 1 would have gone long since if Bannister hadn't done what he did in 1993. The station was so out of touch with the audience demographic that it was invented for. The audience and station hadn't moved on since it had started, hence why Bates, Travis etc were still there. It lacked focus.
Surely another simple way of saving money could be to make certain niche stations online only, similarly to BBC3 proposals, so stations such as 1Xtra, that I would imagine are listened to predominantly online, could save a fortune on DAB costs
You can just hear the outcry in the Mail on behalf of Mr & Mrs Snooty from Guildford if Radio 3 started getting cut... I agree though, considering its small audience it is a very expensive station to run
The Mail? Mr & Mrs Snooty from Guildford? Maybe the Guardian and Ms & Ms Slightly-Pretentious from Manchester.
But why shouldn't the BBC cater for people who want to hear a wider range of orchestral music, in full rather than in Classic FM's greatest hits format; or want to hear world music, or contemporary non-mainstream music, or a wider range of current and classic jazz than on any other UK station; or want to hear reviews and recommendations of classical recordings; or want to hear poetry, drama and other arts-related serious speech programming? That's public service broadcasting as it should be: programming that is completely outwit the remit of commercial radio.
Radio 1 has been pants for years! daytime output has always been crap and still is I cant remember a time when it was any good. Only time I listen now is if I happen to be in on a weekend and theres some drum n bass on if Im really bored but 99 times out of 100 I dont even listen to it any more! I dont even listen to 1xtra! my source of music comes from the likes of Kool FM, Rinse FM and all the under the radar producers on Soundcloud. I listen to them stations because even though Im 27 and within the target audience of Radio 1 they dont play anything I like! the late night specialist shows only grab me once in a while.
The Mail? Mr & Mrs Snooty from Guildford? Maybe the Guardian and Ms & Ms Slightly-Pretentious from Manchester.
But why shouldn't the BBC cater for people who want to hear a wider range of orchestral music, in full rather than in Classic FM's greatest hits format; or want to hear world music, or contemporary non-mainstream music, or a wider range of current and classic jazz than on any other UK station; or want to hear reviews and recommendations of classical recordings; or want to hear poetry, drama and other arts-related serious speech programming? That's public service broadcasting as it should be: programming that is completely outwit the remit of commercial radio.
So is much of BBC radio's output. I fail to see why a station with a reach of 3.8% should cost 6.3p per listener hour, up from 5.6p per hour last year whereas 6 Music, which is also distinctive from the commercial sector, costs 0.9p per listener hour, down from 1p per listener hour last year, and has a reach of 3.5%. I remember the 6 Music Proms, I went to one of them.
So is much of BBC radio's output. I fail to see why a station with a reach of 3.8% should cost 6.3p per listener hour, up from 5.6p per hour last year whereas 6 Music, which is also distinctive from the commercial sector, costs 0.9p per listener hour, down from 1p per listener hour last year, and has a reach of 3.5%. I remember the 6 Music Proms, I went to one of them.
Is the cost per listener hour a very helpful figure? Are there figures for the costs per hour of specific programming? Surely that would be a more useful statistic, as we could see whether, say, an hour of jazz on R3 cost a lot more than an hour of jazz on R2.
There's absolutely zero chance of anyone proposing closing Radio 1. It's a long established network with over 10 million listeners. Remember the uproar when 6 Music was proposed to be closed, which at the time had fewer than 700,000 listeners.
Different times. 6 Music could afford to be saved by finding cuts elsewhere and it happened before the licence fee freeze, extra responsibilities and savings drive bit. Unless Hall can find at least £100m down the back of the BBC Breakfast sofa and with the concerns that broadcast spectrum is being wasted on a demographic who doesn't vote and is turning to the Internet more, young adult PSB will be the casualty of any forthcoming cuts at the BBC for the reasons I have already covered.
Is the cost per listener hour a very helpful figure? Are there figures for the costs per hour of specific programming? Surely that would be a more useful statistic, as we could see whether, say, an hour of jazz on R3 cost a lot more than an hour of jazz on R2.
I'd argue it is when there's a flat rate licence fee, when you are comparing networks which are largely music formats and when there's such a wide difference. As you've mentioned jazz I've argued on here that there should be more of it on Radio 3.
Radio 1 is cut above any commercial hit music station! Radio 1 stills meets it core demographic 16-24 year olds and now performs well online with it's You Tube hitting over a million subscribers with twitter & facebook over 2m followers!
I pay my TV licence fee and will simply stop if it's being axed!
and after letting their chum Murdoch get England Cricket, I worry about Labour as well.
Yes considering Harriet Harperson is responsible for broadcasting along with her other jobs. This interfering, politically correct hypocrite no doubt has her eyes on controlling the BBC and making them introduce quotas for women, and ethnic minorities.
When all the other startions are playing the same music which has been played for twenty years or more, I can switch to Radio 1 and hear tunes I've never heard before.
I prefer 6 music, but DAB is not available everywhere I go ( i.e. the nearest radio might not have DAB ).
I am older that R1's target audiance. I hope they don't mind!
Listen to new music and keep your eras fresh!
Radio 1 is cut above any commercial hit music station! Radio 1 stills meets it core demographic 16-24 year olds and now performs well online with it's You Tube hitting over a million subscribers with twitter & facebook over 2m followers!
I pay my TV licence fee and will simply stop if it's being axed!
No it don't! lol they've been saying that years! when I was in that age bracket (now 27) I never listened to any of their output apart from the odd DnB show at night. Back then I listened to pirate radio and still do you know why? because I'd rather listen to non stop dance music with a DJ reading shout outs because it feels a lot more personal and I wont have to endure shit like The Wanted, Justin Beiber and all the rubbish Grimshaw plays.
Of course a station that plays your personal taste in music feels more personal than a station that plays what the majority of people like.
But it would feel a lot less personal to everyone that doesn't share your personal taste.
These stations come out with these sorts of comments but you actually ask people of that age and no one listens to it, either kids below 13 do. I'd imagine Grimshaw playing the tellytubbies theme and that wouldn't be out of place thats how crap its gotten plus the quality of pop music has dwindled considerably thus people getting bored and looking elsewhere and finding better music. Last time I listened to a brekkie show on Radio 1 was when Sara Cox was on, she used to vary it up, since then Moyles and Grimshaw have made sure R1 is now no longer the UK's most popular radio station and now R2 is. People my age and in R1's age bracket listen to R2 or Kiss and those like myself listen to underground stations like Rinse or pirates like Kool, Point Blank etc.
These stations come out with these sorts of comments but you actually ask people of that age and no one listens to it, either kids below 13 do. I'd imagine Grimshaw playing the tellytubbies theme and that wouldn't be out of place thats how crap its gotten plus the quality of pop music has dwindled considerably thus people getting bored and looking elsewhere and finding better music. Last time I listened to a brekkie show on Radio 1 was when Sara Cox was on, she used to vary it up, since then Moyles and Grimshaw have made sure R1 is now no longer the UK's most popular radio station and now R2 is. People my age and in R1's age bracket listen to R2 or Kiss and those like myself listen to underground stations like Rinse or pirates like Kool, Point Blank etc.
The thing is, under Sara Cox, her listening figures yo-yoed massively; I think she started at around 6.5m, up to 7.5 but then in a year and half went down to 5.5. It was Moyles who increased th listening figures during his tenure. Grimmy is yet to get anywhere near that, although since then the nature of music listening has changed massively, so I don't think anyone would expect him to hit to 7m mark ever.
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You can just hear the outcry in the Mail on behalf of Mr & Mrs Snooty from Guildford if Radio 3 started getting cut... I agree though, considering its small audience it is a very expensive station to run
They already thought of that, and it didn't go down very well at all. Plus 5 Live wouldn't be much good as a sustaining service when it gets taken over by sport during major events, such as at the present time. Even a proposal to increase shared output between neighbouring BBC Local Radio stations in daytime hours caused howls of protest and was eventually turned down.
Radio 1 and 1Xtra already share for two hours a night, which increases to three hours in the autumn.
Last year 6 Music had a content budget of £7.9m, compared with £40.2m for Radio 1 and £47.8m for Radio 2 (source http://www.bbc.co.uk/annualreport/2014/executive/performance/radio.html ), so pretty cheap in comparison.
You are having a laugh right? Radio 1 would have gone long since if Bannister hadn't done what he did in 1993. The station was so out of touch with the audience demographic that it was invented for. The audience and station hadn't moved on since it had started, hence why Bates, Travis etc were still there. It lacked focus.
The Mail? Mr & Mrs Snooty from Guildford? Maybe the Guardian and Ms & Ms Slightly-Pretentious from Manchester.
But why shouldn't the BBC cater for people who want to hear a wider range of orchestral music, in full rather than in Classic FM's greatest hits format; or want to hear world music, or contemporary non-mainstream music, or a wider range of current and classic jazz than on any other UK station; or want to hear reviews and recommendations of classical recordings; or want to hear poetry, drama and other arts-related serious speech programming? That's public service broadcasting as it should be: programming that is completely outwit the remit of commercial radio.
So is much of BBC radio's output. I fail to see why a station with a reach of 3.8% should cost 6.3p per listener hour, up from 5.6p per hour last year whereas 6 Music, which is also distinctive from the commercial sector, costs 0.9p per listener hour, down from 1p per listener hour last year, and has a reach of 3.5%. I remember the 6 Music Proms, I went to one of them.
and after letting their chum Murdoch get England Cricket, I worry about Labour as well.
Is the cost per listener hour a very helpful figure? Are there figures for the costs per hour of specific programming? Surely that would be a more useful statistic, as we could see whether, say, an hour of jazz on R3 cost a lot more than an hour of jazz on R2.
I'd argue it is when there's a flat rate licence fee, when you are comparing networks which are largely music formats and when there's such a wide difference. As you've mentioned jazz I've argued on here that there should be more of it on Radio 3.
I pay my TV licence fee and will simply stop if it's being axed!
Scott and Chris Mills?
Did you mean Moyles? Has their been a celeb gay wedding?
Wow and Moyles hid it well.
Do you mean Chris Stark? Scott's sidekick
Yes considering Harriet Harperson is responsible for broadcasting along with her other jobs. This interfering, politically correct hypocrite no doubt has her eyes on controlling the BBC and making them introduce quotas for women, and ethnic minorities.
Can I ask why you find Scott awful?
He's a lot more natural & real than what you find on say Kiss FM
I prefer 6 music, but DAB is not available everywhere I go ( i.e. the nearest radio might not have DAB ).
I am older that R1's target audiance. I hope they don't mind!
Listen to new music and keep your eras fresh!
Didnt realise harry styles was a part of DS radio forum!
Hi Harry Styles, are you good?
Grimmy is waste of space, axe him not radio 1....
No it don't! lol they've been saying that years! when I was in that age bracket (now 27) I never listened to any of their output apart from the odd DnB show at night. Back then I listened to pirate radio and still do you know why? because I'd rather listen to non stop dance music with a DJ reading shout outs because it feels a lot more personal and I wont have to endure shit like The Wanted, Justin Beiber and all the rubbish Grimshaw plays.
Of course a station that plays your personal taste in music feels more personal than a station that plays what the majority of people like.
But it would feel a lot less personal to everyone that doesn't share your personal taste.
These stations come out with these sorts of comments but you actually ask people of that age and no one listens to it, either kids below 13 do. I'd imagine Grimshaw playing the tellytubbies theme and that wouldn't be out of place thats how crap its gotten plus the quality of pop music has dwindled considerably thus people getting bored and looking elsewhere and finding better music. Last time I listened to a brekkie show on Radio 1 was when Sara Cox was on, she used to vary it up, since then Moyles and Grimshaw have made sure R1 is now no longer the UK's most popular radio station and now R2 is. People my age and in R1's age bracket listen to R2 or Kiss and those like myself listen to underground stations like Rinse or pirates like Kool, Point Blank etc.
The thing is, under Sara Cox, her listening figures yo-yoed massively; I think she started at around 6.5m, up to 7.5 but then in a year and half went down to 5.5. It was Moyles who increased th listening figures during his tenure. Grimmy is yet to get anywhere near that, although since then the nature of music listening has changed massively, so I don't think anyone would expect him to hit to 7m mark ever.