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Two shot dead in Muslim terror attack in America

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(Reuters) - Texas police shot dead two gunmen who opened fire on Sunday outside an exhibit of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad that was organized by an anti-Islamic group and billed as a free-speech event.

The shooting in a Dallas suburb was an echo of past attacks or threats in other Western countries against art depicting the Prophet Mohammad. In January, gunmen killed 12 people in the Paris offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in revenge for its cartoons.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/04/us-usa-shooting-texas-idUSKBN0NP01G20150504
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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    Police said they had not immediately determined the identity of the two gunmen or whether they were linked to critics of the event who had branded it anti-Islamic

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    This is what happens when you allow people to have free speech. There will always be others who are dead against it, luckily the attackers are the ones who are dead and nobody was hurt. I expect there will be a march to demonstrate against free speech down Whitehall again soon.

    Still, when Labour make islamophobia a hate crime, we won't even be able to criticise attacks like this on a public forum, so make the most of it whilst you still can.
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    After Charlie Hebdo, security was always going to be razor sharp round such an event.
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    Your headline is a bit misleading in that it was the attackers who were shot dead.
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    ba_baracusba_baracus Posts: 3,236
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    I will eat my hat if they weren't Islamic extremists.
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    CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    Two less dangerous nutters in the world :)
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    Another POVAnother POV Posts: 2,214
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    Looks like the 'religion of peace' didn't get the change to practice what it preaches. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Two less islamic nut jobs to worry about.
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    Shortly before midnight police alerted media that a strong electronic pulse would be activated near the scene, presumably as part of the bomb squad's work, and a loud boom was heard moments later, though police did not comment further on what was done.

    To clear booby trap and/or suicide explosives no doubt.
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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    ba_baracus wrote: »
    I will eat my hat if they weren't Islamic extremists.

    Maybe, maybe not but this is the US where people get shot every single day and this type of shooting happens all too often.
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    AdsAds Posts: 37,062
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    It's likely the attackers we're Islamic extremists, but nothing has been confirmed yet. Gert Wilders was at the event, and be is certainly a target.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68,508
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    "The AFDI issued a statement on Facebook after the shooting saying, "This is war on free speech. What are we going to do? Are we going to surrender to these monsters?"

    That seems a very odd thing to post just after they had been shot dead. "What are we going to do?" What do you want to do? Bring them back to life so you can kill them again?
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    Keyser_Soze1Keyser_Soze1 Posts: 25,182
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    Of course they will be Islamic extremists.

    No one else gives a toss about depictions of a savage desert warlord who has been dead for about 1400 years.

    But at least they are with all of those virgins now.
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    jzeejzee Posts: 25,498
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    Apparently a pro-Al-Qaeda event was held in the same building, so the event was to make a point of sorts.
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    wear thefoxhatwear thefoxhat Posts: 3,753
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    I wonder whether this art completion would have been allowed to have been held in the UK? Probably not, the police would have crushed the event so as not to upset our muslim 'friends', "cough, cough".
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    Keyser_Soze1Keyser_Soze1 Posts: 25,182
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    I wonder whether this art completion would have been allowed to have been held in the UK? Probably not, the police would have crushed the event so as not to upset our muslim 'friends', "cough, cough".

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    grah2702grah2702 Posts: 787
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    Two less of the islamic slime on the planet.
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    rickberickbe Posts: 613
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    I wonder whether this art completion would have been allowed to have been held in the UK? Probably not, the police would have crushed the event so as not to upset our muslim 'friends', "cough, cough".

    Quite likely. There would probably at the very least have been a big hullaballoo with Channel 4 News getting in on the act and asking the organizers and participants why they are holding an "anti-Islamic" event.

    And almost certainly if Miliband gets in and forces everyone not to be "islamophobic". The PC level will be raised yet another few points.

    At least they shot dead the two gunmen responsible. They don't mess around in Texas. We shoot to kill.
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    AliU2maniacAliU2maniac Posts: 1,874
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    Armed security, private and official.Armed civilians who are able to defend themselves.

    A twitter post from a jihadists praised the attack before it happened.IS partisans are in America.However, the jihadists picked the worst state to carry out a terrorist attack.Texans won't be defenceless when potential jihadists sneak across the border and threaten their freedoms


    How long will it be before Obama issues a statement condemning this terrorist attack? Will he blame free speech, freedom to assemble & protest or the crusades?
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    donovan5donovan5 Posts: 1,023
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    I wonder whether this art completion would have been allowed to have been held in the UK? Probably not, the police would have crushed the event so as not to upset our muslim 'friends', "cough, cough".

    Would you want it to be?The sole purpose of the AFDI seems to be to whip up hatred.

    That said they seem to be an American equivalent to the EDL and our police have been quite happy to let them march on several occasions.
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    Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    How long will it be before Obama issues a statement condemning this terrorist attack? Will he blame free speech, freedom to assemble & protest or the crusades?
    No but someone on here will probably say "....what you have to remember is with free speech comes responsibility". Which means, "I should be able to determine what you can say"
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    AdsAds Posts: 37,062
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    donovan5 wrote: »
    Would you want it to be?The sole purpose of the AFDI seems to be to whip up hatred.

    That said they seem to be an American equivalent to the EDL and our police have been quite happy to let them march on several occasions.

    Although I am rightly critical of Islam, I don't have time for the AFDI. They seem to take a very reactionary and bigoted approach, which is never going to resolve anything.

    That said I support their right to freedom of speech and the event they were holding certainly wasn't breaking any laws.

    As for those posters discussing whether this event would have been allowed in the UK, the answer is never in a million years! The police would have said its a threat to public safety, and there would have been a huge media campaign against it by the likes of Channel 4 News, the Guardian etc.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68,508
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    Ads wrote: »
    As for those posters discussing whether this event would have been allowed in the UK, the answer is never in a million years! The police would have said its a threat to public safety, and there would have been a huge media campaign against it by the likes of Channel 4 News, the Guardian etc.

    It WOULD have been a threat to public safety. On this occasion, everyone can skip lightly away feeling pleased, because the only people killed were people intending, apparently, to kill. But in general, it is innocent, uninvolved people who get killed at such things. I think it is quite right that the police and security services take public safety into account. No one really NEEDS to hold a public event whose SOLE purpose is to try and inflame Muslims. I would be properly pissed off if I was, say, a cleaner in that building.
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    boddismboddism Posts: 16,436
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    CSJB wrote: »
    Two less dangerous nutters in the world :)

    This. It seems that they re trying to deliberately trying to bring terrorists out into the open now.
    I have slightly mixed feelings about this-I know that pictorial depictions of the Prophet Mohammed are not allowed in the Muslim religion, so to an extent exhibitions like that are deliberately provocative.
    However-I expect most normal Muslims would just ignore it (having better things to do with their lives than get het up by it) but it would incite the more strict/extreme element in the religion.
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    BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    Police said they had not immediately determined the identity of the two gunmen or whether they were linked to critics of the event who had branded it anti-Islamic.


    Not critics, probably supporters delivering a gift. :D
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    boddismboddism Posts: 16,436
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    It WOULD have been a threat to public safety. On this occasion, everyone can skip lightly away feeling pleased, because the only people killed were people intending, apparently, to kill. But in general, it is innocent, uninvolved people who get killed at such things. I think it is quite right that the police and security services take public safety into account. No one really NEEDS to hold a public event whose SOLE purpose is to try and inflame Muslims. I would be properly pissed off if I was, say, a cleaner in that building.

    Yes-this is,quite deliberately, putting people at risk.
    I believe in freedom of speech but there's also a safety factor to consider
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