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Ghost hunting with Katie... Charlie Brooker's review

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/aug/21/charlie-brooker-screen-burn

"Katie Price herself comes across surprisingly well, incidentally, because she spends much of her time tutting, moaning, saying things like "this is bullshit", and giggling whenever Alex Reid tries to communicate with the netherworld. In fact, her lack of respect for the entire spook-chasing conceit causes nigh-on constant bickering among the group, lending events the air of a dysfunctional family on a claustrophobic camping holiday."

The Guardian seem to be heavily into Katie Price at the moment.
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    slslsslsls Posts: 2,175
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    Two small interviews plus a mildly positive review = heavily into? Hmmm.....or is not heaping abuse on her like most of the media mean they are instantly part of the KP fan club and a boycott should be organised.

    Won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
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    graculasgraculas Posts: 310
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    slsls wrote: »
    Two small interviews plus a mildly positive review = heavily into? Hmmm.....or is not heaping abuse on her like most of the media mean they are instantly part of the KP fan club and a boycott should be organised.

    Won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
    I'm not a Guardian reader but I gather that the paper was pretty much a Katie free zone until very recently, so, yes, this seems to me to be a significant change.

    Where on earth did that that stuff about the KP fan club and a boycott come from? Not from my post.
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    artlesschaosartlesschaos Posts: 11,345
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    I wouldn't say this:
    Occasionally Katie stops sniggering and professes to be slightly scared – although it's hard to ascertain whether she's telling the truth, since her face never registers any emotion whatsoever, as though it's never even been hooked up to that part of her brain. This isn't a Botox thing: seriously, have you ever seen her pull a single identifiable facial expression at all? She's like a face on a banknote. Cold and unknowable. And omnipresent. And reeking of money.

    is exactly fawning all over her - funny, but not particularly nice. True, but not flattering.
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    johartukjohartuk Posts: 11,320
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    graculas wrote: »
    I'm not a Guardian reader but I gather that the paper was pretty much a Katie free zone until very recently, so, yes, this seems to me to be a significant change.

    Where on earth did that that stuff about the KP fan club and a boycott come from? Not from my post.

    Katie Price is still thick as pig sh*t, still nasty, still talentless, still about as interesting as watching paint dry. So no change there!
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    Mr GigglesMr Giggles Posts: 18,232
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    slsls wrote: »
    Won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

    Because Jordan isn't.....:rolleyes:
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    lucy manelucy mane Posts: 10,462
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    I wouldn't say this:



    is exactly fawning all over her - funny, but not particularly nice. True, but not flattering.

    lol:D

    The OP edited that review to death.
    Thanks for giving us the rest of the review.
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    slslsslsls Posts: 2,175
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    graculas wrote: »
    I'm not a Guardian reader but I gather that the paper was pretty much a Katie free zone until very recently, so, yes, this seems to me to be a significant change.

    Where on earth did that that stuff about the KP fan club and a boycott come from? Not from my post.

    That's not true actually, she has been on the cover about four months ago plus and if you have a quick search of the Guardian then you can see they've covered her fairly steadilty for at least four years and I remember her doing a 'high fashion' shoot for them at least four years ago.

    And because you edited the review to make it look like it was being more complimentary to her than it was then accused the Guardian of being heavily into her because they had a couple of articles in that weren't actively laying into her.

    If you don't read the Guardian they are a paper who tend to see themselves as somewhat feminist and wouldn't demonise a woman and start howling with rage and demanding she was stripped of custody/put down because she got drunk once after she split with her ex, put a bit of make up on her daughter, wore some revealing clothing and remarried quite quickly.

    If you don't read the Guardian how come you found the review? Frantically googling for any KP stories that suggest anything milder than chasing her to a nunnery with a pitchfork so you can be outraged?
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    DeeLushDeeLush Posts: 2,492
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    haha this made me laugh
    Occasionally Katie stops sniggering and professes to be slightly scared – although it's hard to ascertain whether she's telling the truth, since her face never registers any emotion whatsoever, as though it's never even been hooked up to that part of her brain. This isn't a Botox thing: seriously, have you ever seen her pull a single identifiable facial expression at all? She's like a face on a banknote. Cold and unknowable. And omnipresent. And reeking of money.
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    Jem19876Jem19876 Posts: 2,104
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    slsls wrote: »
    If you don't read the Guardian they are a paper who tend to see themselves as somewhat feminist and wouldn't demonise a woman and start howling with rage and demanding she was stripped of custody/put down because she got drunk once after she split with her ex, put a bit of make up on her daughter, wore some revealing clothing and remarried quite quickly.
    Whereas really they should be demonising her because she is the antithesis of true feminism, and her self-centred lifestyle which goes contrary to their left of centre, liberal ideals. They are a paper that sees itself as having a social conscious, but contributing to the continued fame of someone who is a terrible role model, is not quite "on message", no matter how people may dress it up as faux feminism.

    Unfortunately, someone on the editorial board seems to think that because she goes around telling people she's a "strong woman" that she must be.

    In reality, she's a fabrication of the tabloid culture, and stands for the very things the Guardian normally criticise. They have either been sucked in by the spin that the only reason to dislike her is that she wears short skirts or has had many lovers. If they think she's a victim of the tabloid press being sexist, then they need to seriously consider how it was she made her name in the first place. She's only famous because of the mysogenistic tabloid press and the trashy women's magazines who have championed her as honest (nasty) and determined (refusing to notice she's got no talent),

    I sometimes buy the Guardian, and I know what they claim to stand for. However, I also know that it's run by journalists and journalists can be incredibly hypocritical. They know that featuring her will create a bit of controversy, and hope to get people posting links on internet sites (such as this one) and some extra sales from people who normally buy the Express.
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    DeeLushDeeLush Posts: 2,492
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    Jem19876 wrote: »
    Whereas really they should be demonising her because she is the antithesis of true feminism, and her self-centred lifestyle which goes contrary to their left of centre, liberal ideals. They are a paper that sees itself as having a social conscious, but contributing to the continued fame of someone who is a terrible role model, is not quite "on message", no matter how people may dress it up as faux feminism.

    Unfortunately, someone on the editorial board seems to think that because she goes around telling people she's a "strong woman" that she must be.

    In reality, she's a fabrication of the tabloid culture, and stands for the very things the Guardian normally criticise. They have either been sucked in by the spin that the only reason to dislike her is that she wears short skirts or has had many lovers. If they think she's a victim of the tabloid press being sexist, then they need to seriously consider how it was she made her name in the first place. She's only famous because of the mysogenistic tabloid press and the trashy women's magazines who have championed her as honest (nasty) and determined (refusing to notice she's got no talent),

    I sometimes buy the Guardian, and I know what they claim to stand for. However, I also know that it's run by journalists and journalists can be incredibly hypocritical. They know that featuring her will create a bit of controversy, and hope to get people posting links on internet sites (such as this one) and some extra sales from people who normally buy the Express.

    Brilliant bloody post. well said.
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    slslsslsls Posts: 2,175
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    Jem19876 wrote: »
    Whereas really they should be demonising her because she is the antithesis of true feminism, and her self-centred lifestyle which goes contrary to their left of centre, liberal ideals. They are a paper that sees itself as having a social conscious, but contributing to the continued fame of someone who is a terrible role model, is not quite "on message", no matter how people may dress it up as faux feminism.

    Unfortunately, someone on the editorial board seems to think that because she goes around telling people she's a "strong woman" that she must be.

    In reality, she's a fabrication of the tabloid culture, and stands for the very things the Guardian normally criticise. They have either been sucked in by the spin that the only reason to dislike her is that she wears short skirts or has had many lovers. If they think she's a victim of the tabloid press being sexist, then they need to seriously consider how it was she made her name in the first place. She's only famous because of the mysogenistic tabloid press and the trashy women's magazines who have championed her as honest (nasty) and determined (refusing to notice she's got no talent),

    I sometimes buy the Guardian, and I know what they claim to stand for. However, I also know that it's run by journalists and journalists can be incredibly hypocritical. They know that featuring her will create a bit of controversy, and hope to get people posting links on internet sites (such as this one) and some extra sales from people who normally buy the Express.

    Right. This would be the women's press that hate her now.

    Where you stand on some of the things she'd done such as playboy would definitely depend on what type of feminist you are as some are for and some are against pornography. Germaine Greer has some very interesting photos doing the rounds and Camille Paglia is very fond of porn. Plus women's rights to conduct their own lives as they choose or 'selfishly' is very much a feminist ideal.

    I would say pretty much damn all feminists would be in favour of divorce, freedom to dress how you want without judgement and have relationships and sleep with whom you want without censure. And things like, oooh, the right to see male friends without your husband throwing a wobbly.

    Plus the Guardian is very fond of selfish lifestyles, have you not seen the prices of the things they sell in their articles?

    And I would imagine they're reporting on her because she's a widely discussed person in popular culture, not because she's a 'strong woman' it's not sodding Bella.

    If they are sympathetic towards her, which they're not always I imagine it might well be in the interests of balance seeing as she gets and almighty kicking from all the tabloid press and womens mags these days. And is that not sexist? Would a man get as much punishment and censure as she does? Even Ashley Cole doesn't get it as badly as her and he repeatedly cheated on his wife. Neither does John Terry, PA or plenty of other blokes.

    Plus they might well think she's a victim of the mysoginistic tabloid press because they create page 3 driven stars and then destroy them in an orgy of moral judgement even though they created them in the first place.
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    slslsslsls Posts: 2,175
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    Plus they do tend to be quite considered and not the type of people to go on a rant and demand people's children are taken off them because they put make up on their kids or get drunk once or twice because they're very much in favour of human rights and freedom and not the Daily Mailish hysterics you get from PAs fans on here.
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    Nuts In MayNuts In May Posts: 1,616
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    slsls wrote: »
    Plus they do tend to be quite considered and not the type of people to go on a rant and demand people's children are taken off them because they put make up on their kids or get drunk once or twice because they're very much in favour of human rights and freedom and not the Daily Mailish hysterics you get from PAs fans on here.

    Can't say I've ever seen any paper - not even the Daily Misogynist - say she should have her kids taken off her.

    The Guardian is a liberal (with a small 'l') paper - sometimes of the woolly-minded liberal variety.
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    slsls wrote: »
    Right. This would be the women's press that hate her now.

    Where you stand on some of the things she'd done such as playboy would definitely depend on what type of feminist you are as some are for and some are against pornography. Germaine Greer has some very interesting photos doing the rounds and Camille Paglia is very fond of porn. Plus women's rights to conduct their own lives as they choose or 'selfishly' is very much a feminist ideal.

    I would say pretty much damn all feminists would be in favour of divorce, freedom to dress how you want without judgement and have relationships and sleep with whom you want without censure. And things like, oooh, the right to see male friends without your husband throwing a wobbly.

    Plus the Guardian is very fond of selfish lifestyles, have you not seen the prices of the things they sell in their articles?

    And I would imagine they're reporting on her because she's a widely discussed person in popular culture, not because she's a 'strong woman' it's not sodding Bella.

    If they are sympathetic towards her, which they're not always I imagine it might well be in the interests of balance seeing as she gets and almighty kicking from all the tabloid press and womens mags these days. And is that not sexist? Would a man get as much punishment and censure as she does? Even Ashley Cole doesn't get it as badly as her and he repeatedly cheated on his wife. Neither does John Terry, PA or plenty of other blokes.

    Plus they might well think she's a victim of the mysoginistic tabloid press because they create page 3 driven stars and then destroy them in an orgy of moral judgement even though they created them in the first place.


    Well said. I like her, but how did they sustain a two hour programme on ghost hunting.
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    Rosie RedRosie Red Posts: 8,446
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    graculas wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/aug/21/charlie-brooker-screen-burn

    "Katie Price herself comes across surprisingly well, incidentally, because she spends much of her time tutting, moaning, saying things like "this is bullshit", and giggling whenever Alex Reid tries to communicate with the netherworld. In fact, her lack of respect for the entire spook-chasing conceit causes nigh-on constant bickering among the group, lending events the air of a dysfunctional family on a claustrophobic camping holiday."

    The rest of the paragraph doesn't seem to fit with the first line.
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    Jem19876Jem19876 Posts: 2,104
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    slsls wrote: »
    If they are sympathetic towards her, which they're not always I imagine it might well be in the interests of balance seeing as she gets and almighty kicking from all the tabloid press and womens mags these days. And is that not sexist? Would a man get as much punishment and censure as she does?
    Would a man with her "skill set" get to be famous in the first place? The short answer is "no". If you can think of any male celebrity who has become famous like her then let us know. I'm sure the Guardian would be delighted to feature someone who became famous through selling photos of themselves in the nude, then "progressing" to kiss and tells and generally selling stories to the press about their sex life, then "progressing" further still to selling stories about their children, all inbetween mouthing off at other women, and claiming that people like Abi Titmuss are fat and should get liposuction or suggesting that Jade Goody was making up her cancer for publicity or pretending to be Jade's best friend when she was definitely dying.

    How many of that group of super-rich, male celebrities, heavily featured in the press, also have a reputation for threatening behaviour. Obviously, none of them could be caught out drinking heavily during pregnancy, but perhaps there is some male equivalent that will do instead.

    If you can think of anyone who fits the bill, and who receives universal acclaim amongst the public and press alike, then, and only then will you have a point.

    The fact is, the mysogenistic press were the ones who made her famous in the first place. It is also a mistake to label the trashy magazines as "women's magazines" that trash her. They are magazines that a minority of women read, that are the life blood of her career. They are the ones who made her rich in the first place, and keep her in work.

    If she wasn't quite so nasty with it, people wouldn't care. She isn't being "destroyed" because she took her top off. People just don't want to buy her tat any more and people just don't think she's worthy of being "celebrated". She's "destroying" her career quite successfully on her own. For example, aligning yourself with a breast cancer charity in a shameless attempt to help sell bras is one thing, however, moaning about your self-inflicted breast scars whilst doing so, is a silly move. She was dropped from that campaign with good reason, and it was all her own fault.

    When she was younger she could get away with all sorts because she could flutter her eyelashes and get herself papped in a revealing outfit in order to distract the press whenever required. See also Dannielle Lloyd - it's amazing what the press forgives if you are willing to pose in a bikini. However, poor old Katie can no longer rely on that tactic. She has to stick to "they hate me because I'm a strong woman" or "they judge me because I was a glamour model" and all the other rubbish.

    Clearly some people are falling for it, but it is not sexist to see through her whining.
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    ValderyValdery Posts: 4,100
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    Jem19876 wrote: »
    Would a man with her "skill set" get to be famous in the first place? The short answer is "no". If you can think of any male celebrity who has become famous like her then let us know. I'm sure the Guardian would be delighted to feature someone who became famous through selling photos of themselves in the nude, then "progressing" to kiss and tells and generally selling stories to the press about their sex life, then "progressing" further still to selling stories about their children, all inbetween mouthing off at other women, and claiming that people like Abi Titmuss are fat and should get liposuction or suggesting that Jade Goody was making up her cancer for publicity or pretending to be Jade's best friend when she was definitely dying.

    How many of that group of super-rich, male celebrities, heavily featured in the press, also have a reputation for threatening behaviour. Obviously, none of them could be caught out drinking heavily during pregnancy, but perhaps there is some male equivalent that will do instead.

    If you can think of anyone who fits the bill, and who receives universal acclaim amongst the public and press alike, then, and only then will you have a point.

    The fact is, the mysogenistic press were the ones who made her famous in the first place. It is also a mistake to label the trashy magazines as "women's magazines" that trash her. They are magazines that a minority of women read, that are the life blood of her career. They are the ones who made her rich in the first place, and keep her in work.

    If she wasn't quite so nasty with it, people wouldn't care. She isn't being "destroyed" because she took her top off. People just don't want to buy her tat any more and people just don't think she's worthy of being "celebrated". She's "destroying" her career quite successfully on her own. For example, aligning yourself with a breast cancer charity in a shameless attempt to help sell bras is one thing, however, moaning about your self-inflicted breast scars whilst doing so, is a silly move. She was dropped from that campaign with good reason, and it was all her own fault.

    When she was younger she could get away with all sorts because she could flutter her eyelashes and get herself papped in a revealing outfit in order to distract the press whenever required. See also Dannielle Lloyd - it's amazing what the press forgives if you are willing to pose in a bikini. However, poor old Katie can no longer rely on that tactic. She has to stick to "they hate me because I'm a strong woman" or "they judge me because I was a glamour model" and all the other rubbish.

    Clearly some people are falling for it, but it is not sexist to see through her whining.

    Excellent rebuttal, could not have put that better. ;)
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    Jem19876 wrote: »
    Would a man with her "skill set" get to be famous in the first place? The short answer is "no". If you can think of any male celebrity who has become famous like her then let us know. I'm sure the Guardian would be delighted to feature someone who became famous through selling photos of themselves in the nude, then "progressing" to kiss and tells and generally selling stories to the press about their sex life, then "progressing" further still to selling stories about their children, all inbetween mouthing off at other women, and claiming that people like Abi Titmuss are fat and should get liposuction or suggesting that Jade Goody was making up her cancer for publicity or pretending to be Jade's best friend when she was definitely dying.

    How many of that group of super-rich, male celebrities, heavily featured in the press, also have a reputation for threatening behaviour. Obviously, none of them could be caught out drinking heavily during pregnancy, but perhaps there is some male equivalent that will do instead.

    If you can think of anyone who fits the bill, and who receives universal acclaim amongst the public and press alike, then, and only then will you have a point.

    The fact is, the mysogenistic press were the ones who made her famous in the first place. It is also a mistake to label the trashy magazines as "women's magazines" that trash her. They are magazines that a minority of women read, that are the life blood of her career. They are the ones who made her rich in the first place, and keep her in work.

    If she wasn't quite so nasty with it, people wouldn't care. She isn't being "destroyed" because she took her top off. People just don't want to buy her tat any more and people just don't think she's worthy of being "celebrated". She's "destroying" her career quite successfully on her own. For example, aligning yourself with a breast cancer charity in a shameless attempt to help sell bras is one thing, however, moaning about your self-inflicted breast scars whilst doing so, is a silly move. She was dropped from that campaign with good reason, and it was all her own fault.
    When she was younger she could get away with all sorts because she could flutter her eyelashes and get herself papped in a revealing outfit in order to distract the press whenever required. See also Dannielle Lloyd - it's amazing what the press forgives if you are willing to pose in a bikini. However, poor old Katie can no longer rely on that tactic. She has to stick to "they hate me because I'm a strong woman" or "they judge me because I was a glamour model" and all the other rubbish.

    Clearly some people are falling for it, but it is not sexist to see through her whining.

    Jem - that's honestly one of the best posts I've ever read about the whole KP circus.

    For me, the bolded bit is why I went from being a bit *whatever* about her to really disliking her and TBH it was the reaction of her fans which compounded it for me.

    KP seems to be totally unaware that the remarks about her self inflicted scars were, at best insensitive, and at worst downright cruel to anybody dealing with scars follwing a mastectomy or a lumpectomy. Her fans seemed to think that it was just another example of Katie "keeping it real".

    This is a link to what breast cancer sufferers thought about KP at the time -

    http://www.breastcancercare.org.uk/forum/katie-price-tickled-pink-campaign-t23456.html-sid=f59f9c20d5b9412aad9f79d5e11a8f20

    This is my favourite quote
    Well, I just saw snipit of 'What Katie Did Next' where she's doing this infamous ASDA photo shoot. I was disgusted before I saw it but even more so when I saw that she was kitted out in provocative boob-enhancing (like she needs it!) tops and short skirts, and brandishing a pink feather duster in a typical slutty way - ummm, very appropriate and helpful! If Katie Price/Jordan wants to flash her body over lads mags and talk about her sex life non stop, that's fine (each to their own) but please don't use a personality like her in this kind of advertising, it's bloody insulting.

    So well done ASDA, very thoughtful, give yourself one of those pathetic 'pats on the arse' that you use in your advertisements! Many women are currently undergoing cancer treatments including mastectomies/reconstructions/chemo/rads etc (sorry, this doesn't unfortunately stop during 'Pink Month'), and all they need when they're feeling less than totally feminine is big tits and sex thrusted (literally!) into their (and their partners') faces, that'll really help self esteem and confidence everywhere won't it?! How about the women who, at present, can't bear to expose their boobs to their own loving partners, let alone the world. Nice one ASDA! ......

    That's ASDA 'PRICE' !!!!

    ...couldn't have put it better!
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    Jem, I think I love you.
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    MattyHustedMattyHusted Posts: 74
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    may have to watch this due to what the brooker had to say about it
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    Rosie RedRosie Red Posts: 8,446
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    Jem19876 wrote: »



    If she wasn't quite so nasty with it, people wouldn't care. .

    Exactly.

    That's always been my answer to those who claim that she and Pete are as bad as each other.

    The ways in which they are "as bad as each other", don't bother me at all as much as her vile attitude towards people.
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    may have to watch this due to what the brooker had to say about it

    Yes, I'm going to watch it later now, wouldn't have even known it was on before. :D
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    Dear God from the way some people on here are writing shes Mother Theresa and deserves the nobel prize.

    She got her tits out for a living, she shagged her way round britian (and lied about it) was photographed falling out of clubs drunk when heavily pregnant, she cant open her gob without being hypocritical or lying, shes a disgarce as a woman - and a parent.. selling her kids every week on her show and for a new kitchen.... i cant stand her up herself, rude arrogant, ignorant behaviour, the way she demeans all those around her and her loved ones reeks of insecurity but nooo we have to put up with her "yay im the Pwicy no one can do better than me im great i am you can all fk off" statesments every week, blaming the media and CAN for her downfall from grace... and the sooner the rest of the uk wakes up to her (and it seems they are) the better for all concerned.

    My daughter has just turned 18 and gets her A level results next Tues, im incredibly proud of her, I wonder if Amy, Kates mum can say the same? money doesent buy you a decent personality, respect or class ....and she has none of the above.

    Rant over, im off to watch eat and watch XFACTOR... I know this place is for debate but please dont come at me with your tired old bollox "shes a stong woman they always get hated on", no she bloody isnt shes a spoilt brat.
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    DeeLush wrote: »
    Dear God from the way some people on here are writing shes Mother Theresa and deserves the nobel prize.

    She got her tits out for a living, she shagged her way round britian (and lied about it) was photographed falling out of clubs drunk when heavily pregnant, she cant open her gob without being hypocritical or lying, shes a disgarce as a woman - and a parent.. selling her kids every week on her show and for a new kitchen.... i cant stand her up herself, rude arrogant, ignorant behaviour, the way she demeans all those around her and her loved ones reeks of insecurity but nooo we have to put up with her "yay im the Pwicy no one can do better than me im great i am you can all fk off" statesments every week, blaming the media and CAN for her downfall from grace... and the sooner the rest of the uk wakes up to her (and it seems they are) the better for all concerned.

    My daughter has just turned 18 and gets her A level results next Tues, im incredibly proud of her, I wonder if Amy, Kates mum can say the same? money doesent buy you a decent personality, respect or class ....and she has none of the above.

    Rant over, im off to watch eat and watch XFACTOR... I know this place is for debate but please dont come at me with your tired old bollox "shes a stong woman they always get hated on", no she bloody isnt shes a spoilt brat.


    10 out of 10:)
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    slslsslsls Posts: 2,175
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    Jem19876 wrote: »
    Would a man with her "skill set" get to be famous in the first place? The short answer is "no". If you can think of any male celebrity who has become famous like her then let us know. <snip>

    <snip>Clearly some people are falling for it, but it is not sexist to see through her whining.

    So basically you don't like her because she got her tits out and you've made a moral judgement because of reports in heat and tabloid newspapers.

    Nothing wrong with that, I do the same about Peter Andre but in KPs case I think it's a bit weird as the people who are so rabidly against her seem to want to see her dead/in prison/destroyed whatever.

    Nobody ever said it was sexist to dislike her, dislike away, but you were trying to make some kind of argument that she was incompatible with feminism which is actually not true about many schools of feminist thought and feminist thinkers and several of them have actually debated with each other about whether she is or not. Germaine Greer thought she was too thin to be a feminist icon but whatever. Also a lot of the reason people come up with on here are sexist, for a start if she's pictured without her children she's a bad mother but if she's with them she's being horrible because PA doesn't have them.

    Anyway, the only reason I came back to reply was something you said earlier about her 'selfish lifestyle' being incompatible with feminism. Judging from much of the ranting on here her selfish lifestyle seems to be working and sometimes not being with her children and occassionally (shock horror) drinking. Oh, and getting a new boyfriend who wasn't the man who left her when she should have been sitting in sack cloth and ashes pledging herself to lifelong chasitity if she couldn't have Peter Andre.

    Er, I just wanted to ask, do you actually have any idea what feminism is and it's central principles are? Working, not being tied full-time to your children, the right of mother's to work, the rights of single mother's the rights of women to control their own sexual identity and who they sleep with without moral judgement are pretty central to feminism.

    You might want to look it up on Wiki, all kinds of fascinating stuff on there.
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