And databases, ID cards, for that matter. At least the only private meddling the Conservatives wanted to do (and spectacularly ham-fistedly fudged to the point of laughable fail) was blocking internet porn. In that regard the Labour years were with hindsight unspeakably sinister.
I totally agree with this post. Labour turned us into a police state. I only voted for them this election because as someone who cares about poverty, welfare cuts and the NHS there was no other alternative.
And databases, ID cards, for that matter. At least the only private meddling the Conservatives wanted to do (and spectacularly ham-fistedly fudged to the point of laughable fail) was blocking internet porn. In that regard the Labour years were with hindsight unspeakably sinister.
They aren't finished with that. I'm surprised they keep pushing it, as many Tory leaning voters don't seem impressed by it or at least the ones who tend to comment about it aren't.
Agreed. They need to stop acting superior and talking down to ordinary people with perfectly legit questions. If they hadn't realised yet, it pisses folk off.
Not the way to win hearts and minds.
I watched the former Home Secretary Charles Clarke on BBC News 24 in the afternoon and he said that Labour had not created a clear vision of what they wanted the country to look like. He said the Milliband had produced some positive messages but had not extended on 'the process o how Britain becomes unified.'
He gave an example of education and health in which the Labour message was to increase public spending in those areas, but how was the spending going to be created and then distributed. Then after that what would the results be i.e would we have more medical experts, Doctors, Nurses etc and more teachers for the education sector.
To extend on your point, the Party just did not connect enough with the people.
Is Labour finished?
Be still my foolish heart.
My elder son decided he'd had enough after a couple of years of Blair, took his wife and family to Australia for for a few years, but eventually came back to Europe, and has lived in Germany for a long time now.
The younger one, now married with two children, was telling me that he'd looked into moving to Madrid, where as a fluent Spanish speaker, with a Venezuelan wife they had both been assured of good jobs.
In the run-up to this election he was getting uneasy that Labour just might pull it off, and he was concerned for his children's future if Labour got into power.
Fortunately that never came to pass, so at least I have one child, and two grandchildren in this country, while the other bunch are only a ninety minute flight away, maybe four hours door to door.
Is Labour finished?
Be still my foolish heart.
My elder son decided he'd had enough after a couple of years of Blair, took his wife and family to Australia for for a few years, but eventually came back to Europe, and has lived in Germany for a long time now.
The younger one, now married with two children, was telling me that he'd looked into moving to Madrid, where as a fluent Spanish speaker, with a Venezuelan wife they had both been assured of good jobs.
In the run-up to this election he was getting uneasy that Labour just might pull it off, and he was concerned for his children's future if Labour got into power.
Fortunately that never came to pass, so at least I have one child, and two grandchildren in this country, while the other bunch are only a ninety minute flight away, maybe four hours door to door.
Lol, I don't believe any of that. I doubt anyone would really be "concerned for his children's future" based solely on what party is in power.
In the run-up to this election he was getting uneasy that Labour just might pull it off, and he was concerned for his children's future if Labour got into power.
If he wants his children to ever buy a house with their own money he should be more concerned about the Tories. They're loving the current housing crisis.
If he wants his children to ever buy a house with their own money he should be more concerned about the Tories. They're loving the current housing crisis.
They aren't and you have to be foolish to believe that.
It's the broad "middle class" that is the powerbase for Conservatives, and it's the children of that mainly aspirational class that are saying "hang on a moment, where are my children going to buy a house, at the moment they are stuck at home, and they are in reasonable paying jobs".
They do not expect their children to be looking at social housing of any sort, they do not expect their children to be looking at living a lifetime renting, they especially do not expect their children to be receiving any type of housing benefit.
The housing crisis is linked to immigration, although Labour will deny that until the cows come home.
Conservatives will build, just watch.
But there's the hope (small admitedly) that they will also turn off the supply of people.
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I totally agree with this post. Labour turned us into a police state. I only voted for them this election because as someone who cares about poverty, welfare cuts and the NHS there was no other alternative.
They aren't finished with that. I'm surprised they keep pushing it, as many Tory leaning voters don't seem impressed by it or at least the ones who tend to comment about it aren't.
I watched the former Home Secretary Charles Clarke on BBC News 24 in the afternoon and he said that Labour had not created a clear vision of what they wanted the country to look like. He said the Milliband had produced some positive messages but had not extended on 'the process o how Britain becomes unified.'
He gave an example of education and health in which the Labour message was to increase public spending in those areas, but how was the spending going to be created and then distributed. Then after that what would the results be i.e would we have more medical experts, Doctors, Nurses etc and more teachers for the education sector.
To extend on your point, the Party just did not connect enough with the people.
I wasn't meaning to be rude there, I honestly couldn't understand what you were trying to say.
Right leader, wrong party.
I know a lot of people who liked Ed Miliband but just didn't trust Balls, Cooper, Harman, Burnham etc...
They won't EVER learn, will they?
Be still my foolish heart.
My elder son decided he'd had enough after a couple of years of Blair, took his wife and family to Australia for for a few years, but eventually came back to Europe, and has lived in Germany for a long time now.
The younger one, now married with two children, was telling me that he'd looked into moving to Madrid, where as a fluent Spanish speaker, with a Venezuelan wife they had both been assured of good jobs.
In the run-up to this election he was getting uneasy that Labour just might pull it off, and he was concerned for his children's future if Labour got into power.
Fortunately that never came to pass, so at least I have one child, and two grandchildren in this country, while the other bunch are only a ninety minute flight away, maybe four hours door to door.
Lol, I don't believe any of that. I doubt anyone would really be "concerned for his children's future" based solely on what party is in power.
If he wants his children to ever buy a house with their own money he should be more concerned about the Tories. They're loving the current housing crisis.
They aren't and you have to be foolish to believe that.
It's the broad "middle class" that is the powerbase for Conservatives, and it's the children of that mainly aspirational class that are saying "hang on a moment, where are my children going to buy a house, at the moment they are stuck at home, and they are in reasonable paying jobs".
They do not expect their children to be looking at social housing of any sort, they do not expect their children to be looking at living a lifetime renting, they especially do not expect their children to be receiving any type of housing benefit.
The housing crisis is linked to immigration, although Labour will deny that until the cows come home.
Conservatives will build, just watch.
But there's the hope (small admitedly) that they will also turn off the supply of people.